Vikes trade Erasmus James to Washington for a ham sandwich (7th)

[Bob Sacamano]

That isn't very much to pay for someone who has that talent. And if he sucks, then he's cut -- I don't think any of that is guaranteed, but I am not sure.

He was cut b/c he failed a physical in Minnesota. My thoughts are he was cut b/c he was hurt two years in a row -- not b/c he sucked. He had a decent rookie year. So if he can stay healthy -- I think he can contribute. If not, no loss since it's a conditional pick.

seems someone missed that boat

you'd like to think he was cut because it was health-related

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Washington also didn't pick up any guaranteed money, those stay with Minny when they are accelerated against the cap. We could cut him and nothing would happen. Also, I'm pretty sure James got stuck in a numbers crunch in Minny, they have arguably the most talented DL in the NFL, so why waste a roster spot on somebody who can be talented but you also expect to be another year in the works?

against the run, they aren't a great group at getting after the passer, at least other than Kevin Williams

 

[firehawk350]

Didn't they trade for some DE from KC??? I'm pretty sure he's decent enough at it. Jared Allen or something like that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Didn't they trade for some DE from KC??? I'm pretty sure he's decent enough at it. Jared Allen or something like that.

and your point?

Erasmus James sucks

Minny acquired a great pass-rusher, and jettisoned a sucky one...to you

 

[Sonny#9]

and your point?

Erasmus James sucks

Minny acquired a great pass-rusher, and jettisoned a sucky one...to you

Yeah what a moronic move. A conditional 7th rounder, god what were they thinking?! Good analysis there, Bob. In depth and rational. Good work. A 25-yr old former 1st round pick. If this was the Cowboys, you'd be singing the praise of Jerrah. I bet you think Terri Glenn is going to produce this year too...

And, yes, it was a health related move, he failed his physical in Minnesota.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah what a moronic move. A conditional 7th rounder, god what were they thinking?! Good analysis there, Bob. In depth and rational. Good work. A 25-yr old former 1st round pick. If this was the Cowboys, you'd be singing the praise of Jerrah.

I already did, since he traded a 4th and a 6th for an actual 1st round talent (PacMan), not some scrub who was mis-evaluated by everyone

I bet you think Terri Glenn is going to produce this year too...

not holding my breath on that one, and fail to see what that has to do w/ anything

And, yes, it was a health related move, he failed his physical in Minnesota.

it was health AND performance related, you moron

 

[DT101]

It was a good move. Hes only 25, if they give him time to rehab, and he recovers, I bet he will be better than any 7th rounder they would get. I mean, I wouldn't have minded him here as a project guy but we didn't need him.
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[Sonny#9]

I already did, since he traded a 4th and a 6th for an actual 1st round talent (PacMan), not some scrub who was mis-evaluated by everyone

Mmhmm...a 4th and a 6th round pick for someone who has a rap sheet a mile long, and still hasn't been reinstated. A 1st round talent who hasn't played in a year. But since it's the Cowboys, it's a good move

not holding my breath on that one, and fail to see what that has to do w/ anything

Well, let's see, Glenn has knee problems at age 34, missed all of last year, James has had 2 major knee problems, at age 25. Who is more likely to come back from their injuries? The 34 year old who's about as tough as a wet wad of toilet paper, or the 25 year old?

it was health AND performance related, you moron

Moron? Nice. Name-calling now are we? Good thing I won't sink to your level.

Said Vikings DC Lezlie Fraiser (link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../AR2008060202980_2.html?sid=ST2008060203265):

"He's a guy I like a lot as a person, he has a ton of ability, and you pull for guys like that," Minnesota defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier said. "But in our league . . . it's just unfortunate that he's been so banged up. He's had some serious injuries. It's not like a twisted ankle or a hurt thumb or something like that. You're talking about major knee surgeries.

"I really believe that without the injuries, he'd be well on his way to becoming a premier pass rusher. But it's tough in our league. So much is put on being healthy and being on the football field. The way it is today for coaches, as well as players, if you're not successful early on, it puts jobs in jeopardy. I feel bad for him, but that's just the way it is in our league."

James is "a very instinctive guy who is a natural pass rusher," Frazier said. "He just has a knack for getting to the quarterback, does some things that you really can't teach. He does a great job of using his hands and reacting to what you do as an offensive tackle."

But I am sure he's just being nice, and you probably know better.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mmhmm...a 4th and a 6th round pick for someone who has a rap sheet a mile long, and still hasn't been reinstated. A 1st round talent who hasn't played in a year. But since it's the Cowboys, it's a good move

if PacMan stays out of trouble, he could give us one of the deepest and best CB crops in the league, and could potentially impact our special team's returns and offense's field position tremendously

because he has that potential, and has shown it

Erasmus James has shown NOTHING

Well, let's see, Glenn has knee problems at age 34, missed all of last year, James has had 2 major knee problems, at age 25. Who is more likely to come back from their injuries? The 34 year old who's about as tough as a wet wad of toilet paper, or the 25 year old?

again

WHAT DOES GLENN HAVE TO DO W/ THE FACT THAT ERASMUS JAMES SUCKS AND IS HURT

Moron? Nice. Name-calling now are we? Good thing I won't sink to your level.

Said Vikings DC Lezlie Fraiser (link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../AR2008060202980_2.html?sid=ST2008060203265):



But I am sure he's just being nice, and you probably know better.

yes, Fraiser is being nice

JAmes sucks

 

[Sonny#9]

because he has that potential, and has shown it

Erasmus James has shown NOTHING

He had a decent rookie year -- nothing fantastic -- but decent. I think it was about 30 tackles, 4.5 sacks. Mario Williams had about 40 tackles and 4.5 sacks. You know, you're right, what was I thinking? No way James could have improved in his second year in the league -- should he have stayed healthy.

WHAT DOES GLENN HAVE TO DO W/ THE FACT THAT ERASMUS JAMES SUCKS AND IS HURT

James has a better chance to come back and produce. He certainly has the talent. And he is reuniting with his d-line coach from Wisconsin.

yes, Fraiser is being nice

JAmes sucks

Wow, now there's a well thought out post. You're right, there's no way your astute analysis trumps a coach who watched him day in and day out. Good work, Bob. Way to bring it. Skip Bayless would be proud.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He had a decent rookie year -- nothing fantastic -- but decent. I think it was about 30 tackles, 4.5 sacks. Mario Williams had about 40 tackles and 4.5 sacks. You know, you're right, what was I thinking? No way James could have improved in his second year in the league -- should he have stayed healthy.

would have, could have, should have

didn't

James has a better chance to come back and produce. He certainly has the talent. And he is reuniting with his d-line coach from Wisconsin.

:laugh2:

Wow, now there's a well thought out post. You're right, there's no way your astute analysis trumps a coach who watched him day in and day out. Good work, Bob. Way to bring it. Skip Bayless would be proud.

dude was just being polite

 

[Sonny#9]

would have, could have, should have

didn't



:laugh2:



dude was just being polite

God, wow, how do you do it, Bob? I mean wow, how can ANYONE argue with this. I mean no way would his coach at Wisconsin know what he's capable of! That's just silly. You clearly know better. In fact, I am surprised you don't have a number of coaching opporunities lined up. Sheesh...

For now, I'll believe what his coaches have said, although, you do provide some riveting arguments.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

God, wow, how do you do it, Bob? I mean wow, how can ANYONE argue with this. I mean no way would his coach at Wisconsin know what he's capable of! That's just silly. You clearly know better. In fact, I am surprised you don't have a number of coaching opporunities lined up. Sheesh...

For now, I'll believe what his coaches have said, although, you do provide some riveting arguments.

:laugh2: lol, keep hoping that Erasmus James will turn it around w/ you guys

try actually making an effort to find pass-rushers instead of hoping on longshots

there are busts from every draft, could it be possible that Erasmus James is one of them? but you have some nice comments from former coaches as your overwhelming burden of proof...

 

[Sonny#9]

:laugh2: lol, keep hoping that Erasmus James will turn it around w/ you guys

try actually making an effort to find pass-rushers instead of hoping on longshots

there are busts from every draft, could it be possible that Erasmus James is one of them?

Ok, I'll give. Like who? Who was available this past off-season?

There are "busts" from injuries, and busts from lack of talent. Considering everyone outside of, well, you, considers James one of the former (that means the 1st one I listed -- "bust" from injury). He's 25, 3 years in the league.

There are players who rebound from injuries and play well -- I believe Colombo was one.

I am certainly not banking on it, but if he sticks, stays healthy, he certainly has the talent to play. And it's certainly worth a conditional 7th rounder. I've posted quotes from coaches who have stated his talent (you know they don't have to comment right?) You counter with "he sucks" b/c you have nothing. Unless you can bring something to table worth talking about, this conversation is over.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok, I'll give. Like who? Who was available this past off-season?

I'm not completely sure about this, but if you stayed pat in the 1st round, you could have taken Derrick Harvey

or traded up for him, for one

And it's certainly worth a conditional 7th rounder. I've posted quotes from coaches who have stated his talent (you know they don't have to comment right?)

it's not like his former coaches called in w/ an opinion about him either, he was asked a question about him, and he responded favorably, which most former coaches tend to do

esp. that vague crap that he's a talented player but didn't get a chance to show it

You counter with "he sucks" b/c you have nothing. Unless you can bring something to table worth talking about, this conversation is over.

I don't have anything? how about Erasmus James has done nothing, and there's a good chance he still doesn't do anything

but hope and pray, I'm gonna love watching our O go down your secondary's throat because you won't be able to mount an effective pass-rush

 

[Sonny#9]

I'm not completely sure about this, but if you stayed pat in the 1st round, you could have taken Derrick Harvey

or traded up for him, for one

Um, Derrick Harvey went 8th overall. The Commanders picked 21st. I think you're thinking of Phillip Merling, or possibly Lawrence Jackson from USC? Calais Campbell was there in the 2nd round?

I think they got an incredible value in Devin Thomas. And, drafting by BPA, Fred "Sleepy" Davis had more value then Campbell, who also had several questions surrounding him coming out of Miami.

it's not like his former coaches called in w/ an opinion about him either, he was asked a question about him, and he responded favorably, which most former coaches tend to do

esp. that vague crap that he's a talented player but didn't get a chance to show it

I don't have anything? how about Erasmus James has done nothing, and there's a good chance he still doesn't do anything

He had one healthy year in the league, what do you want him to do? Do you proclaim everyone who gets hurt after one year in the leage a bust? How about good ol' Bobby Carpenter? Spencer didn't do squat last year, be must be a bust too. To sit there and say "he sucks" is incredibly naive. But judging by most of your posts here you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, so I am done here. Thanks for taking up a slow afternoon.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Um, Derrick Harvey went 8th overall. The Commanders picked 21st. I think you're thinking of Phillip Merling, or possibly Lawrence Jackson from USC? Calais Campbell was there in the 2nd round?

any one of them would have sufficed

I think they got an incredible value in Devin Thomas. And, drafting by BPA, Fred "Sleepy" Davis had more value then Campbell, who also had several questions surrounding him coming out of Miami.

Davis had some questions too considering he had a pretty poor offseason

you could have gotten Campbell in the 2nd and drafted Michigan State's Kellen Davis later, who's a lesser Fred Davis, but just as physically imposing

He had one healthy year in the league, what do you want him to do?

I'm not expecting him to do much, other than to be an injury-prone player

Do you proclaim everyone who gets hurt after one year in the leage a bust?

nope, but he's been in the league 3 years now, and hasn't done anything

To sit there and say "he sucks" is incredibly naive.

what is he then?

But judging by most of your posts here you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, so I am done here. Thanks for taking up a slow afternoon.

:laugh2: yeah, bow out

you can't win

 

[Sonny#9]

:laugh2: yeah, bow out

you can't win

You're right, there Bob. You provided such persuasive evidence that I am dumbfounded that I might hope that a guy could recover from knee injuries. "He sucks" is just in-depth. I can see why you're admired so...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You're right, there Bob. You provided such persuasive evidence that I am dumbfounded that I might hope that a guy could recover from knee injuries. "He sucks" is just in-depth. I can see why you're admired so...

the WGA (World Canadian Bureau) presents you w/ the Lameness Award, for the World's Lamest Post

congrats, moron