Vikings' Kevin, Pat Williams get injunction against suspensions

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Updated: December 3, 2008, 7:38 PM ET
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MINNEAPOLIS -- A Minnesota judge has blocked the NFL's suspension of Vikings stars Kevin Williams and Pat Williams for violating the league's anti-doping policy.

Hennepin County District Judge Gary Larson issued a temporary restraining order at the players' request on Wednesday, saying he wanted more time to hear arguments in the case. No further hearing date immediately was set.

The Williamses were among six players suspended for four games for testing positive for a diuretic that can be used as a masking agent for steroids. They have argued that the substance containing the diuretic didn't list all its ingredients.

The Vikings are 7-5 and in first place in the NFC North, with the Williamses a big part of their success.

Earlier Wednesday, tThe Vikings were preparing themselves for the prospect of losing two key players.

"On a personal level, it [stinks] for them. I know what they're going through," said defensive end Jared Allen, who served a two-game suspension last season in Kansas City after multiple DUI arrests. "That's why we're with them. We've got their back 100 percent."

The Williamses tested positive for the diuretic Bumetanide that can be used as a masking agent for steroids. They hoped to avoid suspensions because the product they used, StarCaps, did not list it as an ingredient.

The league denied the appeal, saying it issued a warning about the product in 2006.

"They're our teammates, our friends. I totally believe what they've had to say," linebacker Ben Leber said. "That's why I think it's just unfortunate that they've had this four-game suspension handed down to them. I feel like their situation is unique. Hopefully things go well for them the next couple days and we get a different ruling."

If the last-ditch effort to block the suspensions fails, the Vikings have a 650-pound hole to fill in the middle of their defensive line.

"Those two guys are a huge part of what we do as a defense, a huge part of what we do as a team," said Ellis Wyms, who will step in as the starter for Kevin Williams. "It's on everybody on this team to step up. Everybody has to do their job a little bit better, a little bit harder. We'll step up as a team and we'll continue to do what we've been doing, keep winning and get into the playoffs."

The news served as one big buzz kill for a team that appeared to finally be hitting its stride.


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The Vikings have won two in a row and six of their last eight games to grab sole possession of first place in the NFC North for the first time in four years. They are coming off their most complete performance of the season in a 34-14 thumping of Chicago on Sunday night that included a Williams Wall-led goal-line stand in the second quarter.

And now this.

Kevin Williams is second on the team with 8½sacks and is fifth with 48 tackles. His good buddy Pat doesn't rack up the stats Kevin does, but serves as the emotional leader of the unit and a run-stuffing demon on the interior.

Together, they draw the bulk of the attention from opposing offensive lines, making life much easier on the outside for Allen, who has 11 sacks.

With the Williamses suspended and end Brian Robison, who occasionally moves inside for the nickel package, not practicing after having athroscopic knee surgery on Tuesday, Minnesota was left with Wyms, Fred Evans and Letroy Guion at tackle.

The Vikings signed Jimmy Kennedy, a former first-round draft pick who didn't pan out in St. Louis, Chicago or Jacksonville, on Wednesday to add some depth.

"Those guys are dying to play," coach Brad Childress said. "Unfortunately, if they play, they're going to play because of a misfortune to somebody else. But that's no different than a Napoleon Harris stepping in for E.J. Henderson."

Kevin Williams was promoted to defensive captain nine games ago when Henderson, a budding star at middle linebacker, was lost for the season with a toe injury.

Actually, Allen said, the loss of Henderson early in the season showed the unit that it can handle adversity.

"Unfortunately we're used to having big blows. Losing E.J. was huge earlier this year," Allen said. "That's part of football. We all know that. We can win. We have a good defensive scheme. We really do."

Wyms and Evans have 12 tackles between them this season and the 21-year-old Guion, a fifth-round draft pick out of Florida State, is the youngest player on the team.

"Pat and Kevin are great defensive tackles and we will miss them," Evans said. "But at the same time, we have a great defensive line and a great defensive line coach in coach Karl Dunbar, so we'll just stick to what we do and keep it going."

They will have to. The Williamses will miss games at Detroit and Arizona and home against Atlanta and the New York Giants.

Even though Lions quarterback Daunte Culpepper's job figures to be easier Sunday without the two big fellas staring him right in the face, he still felt for two friends he got to know well during his time in Minnesota.

"That's very unfortunate for both of those guys," Culpepper said. "They're both dear friends of mine, and I hate that for them because I would love to compete against them. My thoughts are definitely with them, and hopefully they handle their situations the right way and I know they will."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 

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With those 2 guys, they could very well be dangerous come playoff time-of course, having AP to boot helps too!
 

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I have no idea of the merits of the case, or whatever, but it'd be pretty funny to see this blow up in Goodell's face.
 

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They thought their cases were special or different than those other players all along. This news doesn't surprise me at all. But if this is upheld, how will that make Goodell look?
 

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big dog cowboy;2459974 said:
They thought their cases were special or different than those other players all along. This news doesn't surprise me at all. But if this is upheld, how will that make Goodell look?

It would make him look pretty stupid to hand out an iffy suspension which he could lose in a court case. If he does lose this suspension, there will be precedent in place which limits some of his power. Pacman could have done something like this, but we didn't want any trouble. I am glad some people are challenging his authority.
 

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theogt;2459971 said:
I have no idea of the merits of the case, or whatever, but it'd be pretty funny to see this blow up in Goodell's face.

He definitely deserves it for his inability to treat everyone equally.
 

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I hope Goodell gets his rear kicked. Pacman should have sued this dictator and the NFL. Pacman would have won just like these two will win. Goodell has nothing to stand on. Goodell disgusts me more than Washington's owner L'il Danny Snyderbrenner.
 

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Drug testing has been going on for a long time and it is pretty well worked out. They don't have a case although I sympathize with them if they truly didn't know about the supplement. I wonder how long they can drag it out to keep their players on the field.
 

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I have never seen the actual policy in print however the media has claimed the Drug Policy states that if you don't know exactly every ingredient in a supplement then don't take it.

Well, unless your a chemist with a lab to analyze the supplements how could you possibly know what is in it? You certainly can't trust labels. The U.S. government does not regulate vitamins and supplements and there is no guarantee that what they say is in the bottle is actually in there.

It is not illegal to claim that certain chemicals exist in vitamins and supplements even when there is no trace of it anywhere in the product.
 

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This could end up being a double blessing. They could handle the Vikings, win their division, and lose both Williams boys for the playoffs. I know I shouldnt assume we're gonna be in, but we could have it easy in the first round tearing thru a defense without their two best run stuffers and focusing soley on neutralizing AD which may or may not take "all day".
 

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I am only grateful for this because this will now give them a shot to beat the Falcons for us.

Otherwise I could honestly care less about the Vikes and their problems. :)
 

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why is a judge even getting involved ? It's pretty simple ignorance is no reason to violate the rules.....
 

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BraveHeartFan;2460235 said:
I am only grateful for this because this will now give them a shot to beat the Falcons for us.

Otherwise I could honestly care less about the Vikes and their problems. :)

That is the main reason I created this thread. I hope they stay around long enough to help the Boys get into the playoffs!
 

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Why are so many posts directed at Goodell? He didn't make this rule up. It has been in place and collectively bargained by the players and owners. Goodell does not even have to make a decision in this case. He just has to follow a flow chart, "if player A takes product B he gets suspended X number of games".

I don't think these guys are being screwed by the NFL. I think that is a harsh way of looking at it. It sucks for the players and the NFL as a whole, but these guys did break the rules. Ignorance is a reason, but it is not an excuse. Players have good options in how to secure medicine, supplements or whatever that are accepted by league policies.

If they chose to obtain their own supplements then they should check them against the list of products the league approves and apparantly the league sent out a letter in 2006 about this particular product. It can be a hassle, but obviously the repercussions can be fairly serious. The wrong drug can lead to loss of money, suspension and may even contribute to health problems or death, which the Vikings players should be familiar.
 

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:lmao:

Do you think the Minnesota judge could be biased?

Minnesota judge = Minnesota Vikings fan??
 

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How is this a situation for a court/judge to get involved in? This is an issue between an employer and a couple of employees. If the employees feel that they are being unjustly disciplined and penalized then they can file a lawsuit, but that doesn't appear to have been done, they just went to a judge and he made a ruling. By making an injunction/restraining order against the Vikings he has already decided on the case without hearing any more evidence.

These judges who get involved in stuff like this are a main reason why our judicial system is so screwed up. It isn't their job to step in in these situations and they are overstepping their authority and circumventing the due process.

The NFL has a very well defined set of rules governing restricted substances and has a format to be followed for discipline as well as appeals. The courts should stay out of it until they are needed.
 

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THUMPER;2460486 said:
How is this a situation for a court/judge to get involved in? This is an issue between an employer and a couple of employees. If the employees feel that they are being unjustly disciplined and penalized then they can file a lawsuit, but that doesn't appear to have been done, they just went to a judge and he made a ruling. By making an injunction/restraining order against the Vikings he has already decided on the case without hearing any more evidence.

These judges who get involved in stuff like this are a main reason why our judicial system is so screwed up. It isn't their job to step in in these situations and they are overstepping their authority and circumventing the due process.

The NFL has a very well defined set of rules governing restricted substances and has a format to be followed for discipline as well as appeals. The courts should stay out of it until they are needed.
You're going out on a bit of limb here.

Typically, you get a TRO put in place when the lawsuit is filed in order to prevent the irreparable harm the lawsuit is aimed at. I'm not sure why you'd think a lawsuit hasn't been filed.

And actually, if there are some sort of legal rights violated, or potentially violated, they're doing exactly their job. They have the authority. The "circumventing the due process" line is just nonsensical. The court system is "due process."

It's sometimes best, I find, not to use legal jargon unless I fully understand what it means.
 
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