Wade > RRyan > Kiffin?

[T-RO]

Kiffin and Marinelli have done an outstanding job so far this season, though I'm not prepared to conclude as much as some around here. We haven't played any top offenses yet.

Meanwhile it's interesting to see how recent defensive specialists have done in their respective venues.
Yards...Ranking in NFL:
Houston #2
New Orleans #4
Dallas #13

Turnovers Created:
Dallas 7
New Orleans 6
Houston 3

Points:
New Orleans #5
Dallas #9
Houston #24*


(*very misleading due to special teams scoring and turnovers from their offense)

My primary point is that both Ryan and Wade are exceptional defensive coaches yet both were repeatedly blasted on this forum. Unmercilessly and thoughtlessly. They deserve a lot of credit for knowing their craft. I will also repeat my previous position: I was not on board with Ryan's firing/Kiffin's hiring. I sure hope I'm wrong.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Ryan, exceptional now? lol.

Kiffin and Marinelli have done an outstanding job so far this season, though I'm not prepared to conclude as much as some around here. We haven't played any top offenses yet.

Meanwhile it's interesting to see how recent defensive specialists have done in their respective venues.
Yards...Ranking in NFL:
Houston #2
New Orleans #4
Dallas #13

Turnovers Created:
Dallas 7
New Orleans 6
Houston 3

Points:
New Orleans #5
Dallas #9
Houston #24*

Ryan, exceptional now? lol.


(*very misleading due to special teams scoring and turnovers from their offense)

My primary point is that both Ryan and Wade are exceptional defensive coaches yet both were repeatedly blasted on this forum. Unmercilessly and thoughtlessly. They deserve a lot of credit for knowing their craft. I will also repeat my previous position: I was not on board with Ryan's firing/Kiffin's hiring. I sure hope I'm wrong.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

I sure hope I'm wrong.

You are

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I liked Phillips but Ryan was the son of a jerk and a a loud mouthed jerk himself

 

[Staubacher]

Kiffin won't draw 15 yard penalties running out on the field like a jerk

 

[Nova]

Ryan looked really good with us the first few weeks his first year here also. He's never been an exceptional DC, but maybe he's grown into one? (doubtful)

And Wade was a good DC, but he was pulling double duty and was a below average HC. If he was only the DC, we'd probably still be running his 5-2 defense.

 

[T-RO]

Ryan looked really good with us the first few weeks his first year here also. He's never been an exceptional DC, but maybe he's grown into one? (doubtful)

And Wade was a good DC, but he was pulling double duty and was a below average HC. If he was only the DC, we'd probably still be running his 5-2 defense.

Delighted to see that someone around here is able to to talk substantive football. Ryan coached the latter half or more of last season without Church, without Lee, without Ratliff, with a crippled Ware, and then even without Carter. He had no safeties at all to play center field.

Players love playing for him and when healthy Lee and Carter looked like emerging all-pro players under his direction.

 

[T-RO]

Kiffin won't draw 15 yard penalties running out on the field like a jerk

How many times did that happen? I liked his passion a lot. And I loved his ability to confuse the heck out of a quarterback.

 

[T-RO]

And Wade was a good DC, but he was pulling double duty and was a below average HC. If he was only the DC, we'd probably still be running his 5-2 defense.

He wasn't head-coach material. We absolutely agree there.

 

[Frozen700]

There is always something to Rue about

 

[Doomsay]

3 game comparisons against different opponents.

 

[Staubacher]

How many times did that happen? I liked his passion a lot. And I loved his ability to confuse the heck out of a quarterback.

What we have now is better. Ryan was ok. I wish him well in NO but we're better without him.

 

[Nova]

Delighted to see that someone around here is able to to talk substantive football. Ryan coached the latter half or more of last season without Church, without Lee, without Ratliff, with a crippled Ware, and then even without Carter. He had no safeties at all to play center field.

Players love playing for him and when healthy Lee and Carter looked like emerging all-pro players under his direction.

I was referring to his 2011 season-- his first season with us. The defense looked good because they were actually making plays up front because of Ryan's creativity. But the defense didn't look so great down the stretch.

The problem with Ryan is that he thinks he's smarter than he is/outsmarts himself/uses a 5 different contraptions when all he needed was a hammer kinda guy.

It will likely show up once more this year.

 

[waving monkey]

I wish Ryan the best. I am thrilled with our new defensive team and effort.
Ryan wasn't a fit here. I don't even think about him when I look in the rear view mirror.
that's yesterday

 

[Doomsay]

Bringing pressure for once, seems kind of fun.

 

[Hoofbite]

I was referring to his 2011 season-- his first season with us. The defense looked good because they were actually making plays up front because of Ryan's creativity. But the defense didn't look so great down the stretch.

The problem with Ryan is that he thinks he's smarter than he is/outsmarts himself/uses a 5 different contraptions when all he needed was a hammer kinda guy.

It will likely show up once more this year.

Only in the 2 Giant games did Dallas give up more than 20 that year down the stretch. Not surprising a secondary with starters Newman, Jenkins, Sensy, Elam gave up almost 750 yards between the 2 games.

When healthy I think Ryan's defense was doing well. Before the injuries set in they were doing their job. For the 1st 3 games the opponents last year scored 54 points, 1 less than the opponents so far this year. That doesn't even take into account that Special Teams handed Seattle 10 and the offense gave Tampa the ball deep in Dallas' territory once or twice.

Would I take Ryan back? No. Kiffin and Marinelli have shocked the hell out of me, I'll admit that right now. The defense look good and is rarely just standing around with their arms in the air wondering what they are supposed to do.

Rob didn't do so bad that he should have been fired but then again I think it was more of him being too hot headed and too much of a loose cannon that got him fired. I don't think he really meshed with Jason that well. Supposedly Jason has all say in that but I have my doubts after seeing how he was outed and after seeing how the new staff appears to work together much better. Had Jason picked him and they were solid together, Rob wouldn't have been fired because you can't look at the Chicago game (Jerry) or any game in the later portion of the season when half the defense was called off the streets and conclude that the guy isn't doing his job.

Ultimately it's working out for the best thus far. Dallas has a defense thats performing extremely well right now. Hard to be unhappy with the defense thus far because they've been sound.

I hope the current staff can keep building the current defense and maintain the play they have shown so far. It would go a long way to getting to a better record than what we have seen over the past few years.

 

[The Natural]

In Wade's defense most of us had no issue with him as a defensive coordinator

 

[jnday]

Kiffin and Marinelli have done an outstanding job so far this season, though I'm not prepared to conclude as much as some around here. We haven't played any top offenses yet.

Meanwhile it's interesting to see how recent defensive specialists have done in their respective venues.
Yards...Ranking in NFL:
Houston #2
New Orleans #4
Dallas #13

Turnovers Created:
Dallas 7
New Orleans 6
Houston 3

Points:
New Orleans #5
Dallas #9
Houston #24*


(*very misleading due to special teams scoring and turnovers from their offense)

My primary point is that both Ryan and Wade are exceptional defensive coaches yet both were repeatedly blasted on this forum. Unmercilessly and thoughtlessly. They deserve a lot of credit for knowing their craft. I will also repeat my previous position: I was not on board with Ryan's firing/Kiffin's hiring. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Wade is a very good DC. Ryan has never coached a top ten defensive unit for an entire season and I don't think he is in the same class as Wade or Kiffin. I will give Kiffin credit for getting great effort out of the players and the unit is now more of a swarming unit than at any time in recent years. The defense has not faced a good offense this year, but Eli sure moved the ball at will against them and could have lost the game for Dallas if it wasn't for the RB not stopping on his route. There is still some doubt in my mind that Kiffin's defense may be a little outdated and may be exposed again like it was against the Giants. If the Cowboys were still running a 3-4 defense, Wade would be one of my top choices in the league. Ryan wouldn't even be considered IMO. It is hard to judge Kiffin due to only three games being played. The next two will go a long way in determining if the old man still has it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Good post and you could even go back to Parcells and Zimmer. But you're right, we've been blessed to have some great defensive coaches the last decade or so. Ryan was probably the weakest of the bunch, but that's mainly because the competition is so tough.

 

[jnday]

How many times did that happen? I liked his passion a lot. And I loved his ability to confuse the heck out of a quarterback.

His defense confused his own players more than QBs.