Wade > RRyan > Kiffin?

[T-RO]

Hou opponents: SD, Tenn, Balt
NO opponents: Atl, TB, Ariz

not exactly juggernauts there...if you are going to look at the schedule for Dallas, then you have to look at these as well....and, is there anyone that would prefer Wade or Rob over Monte/Rod right now? I certainly wouldn't...the defense is running to the ball, they are gang-tackling, they are trying to strip the ball....you didn't see that with the units of Phillips/Ryan...I always liked Wade's defensive mind (still do) but Rob was/is a loose cannon and had no idea what to do once the injuries started to mount...with our current defense, you see guys off of the street that are having an impact, I just don't think you would EVER see something like that out of a Ryan defense...let's see how the saints and texans do when they play some better teams...

Fair enough point about schedules. But the injury situation is pretty different. We might have have had to plug in some guys sort of off the street, but Kif and Marinelli had the luxury of training those guys pretty much through camp. We've not been hit too bad w/injuries so far. (Though it's a long war of attrition). Rat and Spencer is all really.

 

[Doomsday101]

I love his simplistic view of what he wants from guys Kiffin said "that what really matters is that his players play hard, play fast and play together as a team." Guys are not quitting on plays assuming someone will make the tackle they keep moving to the ball and this relentless style of play is going to pay off big for this defense.

 

[T-RO]

I love his simplistic view of what he wants from guys Kiffin said "that what really matters is that his players play hard, play fast and play together as a team." Guys are not quitting on plays assuming someone will make the tackle they keep moving to the ball and this relentless style of play is going to pay off big for this defense.

Full throttle from the snap has its advantages when it speeds a player to the point of attack. But isn't such a defense more susceptible to deception?

 

[Doomsday101]

Full throttle from the snap has its advantages when it speeds a player to the point of attack. But isn't such a defense more susceptible to deception?

That is why you need guys like Lee and Carter manning the LB spots who can make quick reads. I think in TB he had Brooks and TB defense seldom got fooled. In Chicago Marinelli had Urlacker again very aggressive but very intelligent player who seldom got fooled. Having said that player will make mistakes but when guys are hustling to the ball it is a lot easier to overcome it than it is when players just quit on a play.

I see guys who even when they miss on a play are getting back to the ball and getting involved on the tackle or trying to strip the ball from behind while teammates are wrapping the runner up. To me no substitution for relentless and all out hustling play

 

[kevm3]

Wade wasn't head coach material. DC is a role he excels at, which we're seeing in Houston. Rob Ryan turned this defense around. He did an excellent job despite all the injuries last year. I was angry when he was let go, but that has subsided after seeing the excellent job Kiffen and Marinelli has done so far.

 

[Jerryrage]

Football has something you don't see. Random luck.

 

[cml750]

I personally believe Kiffin will prove to be better than Wade or Rob. Our personal is much better suited to a 4 - 3 defense which I happen to think is superior to the 3 - 4 (although neither is worth a flip without proper personnel). We never had a true 3 - 4 nose guard or good 3 - 4 defensive ends. We originally switched to a 3 -4 because it was hard to find "true conventional" 4 - 3 defensive ends (and it was Tuna's defensive style). Fortunately Kiffin believes in smaller quicker defensive ends much like Jimmy Johnson did which makes our personnel much better suited for this style of 4 - 3 defense and I have no doubt last week is the start of many stalwart defensive performances.

 

[kevm3]

What's amazing to me is we're playing like this in the first year. Systems usually take a while to install and become accustomed to.

 

[T-RO]

We had to play against a better quarterback today. And it wasn't pretty. Kiffin's defense gave up 500 yards and 27 first downs. Yes the boys have endured a lot of injuries. But that's no different than what Ryan had to deal with.

Meanwhile Wade's defense in Houston held Seattle to 91 net yards passing and 16 points in 5 quarters of football. It was only after linebacker Cushing went out with a concussion that the Seahawks did anything at all offensively.

CZone's piñata, Rob Ryan will be putting his defense on display tomorrow night.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Dude the 4-3 and an 80 year old relic is the answer.

 

[jimmy40]

That is why you need guys like Lee and Carter manning the LB spots who can make quick reads.

3 tds given up between them?

 

[T-RO]

I just chuckle when I read up over at cowboyszone. Rafael and his boys have become such unbridled fanboys that it gets difficult to down the waffles with all that syrup.

After 4 games he not only had the sugary anointing oil out for Kif, but was bathing his site in it. Too bad we can't play the Rams and Giants every week.

 

[T-RO]

Updating with data from the latest games:

Yardage:
Houston #1, 254 yards per game
New Orleans, #7th 304 yards per game
Dallas, #20, 382 yards per game

It sure is a good thing we dumped Wade and Ryan and found our way to the top with Kiffin.

 

[Ren]

Ryan was a scapegoat for last season, i thought he did a great job considering the hand he was dealt the problem with our D is that it just isn't that good and our talent it overrated

 

[Kristen82]

Maybe include Zimmer in there somewhere.

 

[kevm3]

Rob wasn't the problem last year and Kiffen isn't the problem this year either. The problem is an offense that puts up 2 or less touchdowns a game and constantly 3 and outs, putting the defense back on the field. We had a top 10 defense before all of the injuries last year and the defense even game the offense a chance to win the game against the Commanders. The offense needs to stay on the field longer and put points on the board. It keeps our defense well rested, gives their offense less opportunities to score, as well as discourages opposing teams when we widen the margin. The defense didn't do well against the Chargers, but in the previous three, they did more than enough to win.

 

[T-RO]

Ryan was a scapegoat for last season, i thought he did a great job considering the hand he was dealt the problem with our D is that it just isn't that good and our talent it overrated

Exactly!!! There is going to be serious rue age over that coaching change.

 

[T-RO]

Rob wasn't the problem last year and Kiffen isn't the problem this year either. The problem is an offense that puts up 2 or less touchdowns a game and constantly 3 and outs, putting the defense back on the field. We had a top 10 defense before all of the injuries last year and the defense even game the offense a chance to win the game against the Commanders. The offense needs to stay on the field longer and put points on the board. It keeps our defense well rested, gives their offense less opportunities to score, as well as discourages opposing teams when we widen the margin. The defense didn't do well against the Chargers, but in the previous three, they did more than enough to win.

I agree that the offense must be better, but there seems to be a gap between us about how alarming past Sunday's game really is. The Chargers embarrassed two of the guys we are most counting upon.... Carter and Claiborne. Both of these two guys seem completely lost in this new (supposedly simple) scheme. Don't miss Bob Sturm's breakdown on what happened.