Wade was on the Musers this morning

[Tobal]

I thought I'd see a recap, but I missed it if their was one.

Anyway the one thing I took from it was they asked about Roy at LB.

Wade said that they've never used a LB in that position, he said it was the same thrid down defense Dallas used last yr for the most part, but that Dallas used a Linebacker where as they've ALWAYS used a DB.

My theory is those were the 3rd and over 7, or when D's would spread out. So we had a big LB playing the position most teams would have a Safety in, and I can't imagine how much pressure that would put on the rest of the defenses.

 

[Hostile]

I thought I'd see a recap, but I missed it if their was one.

Anyway the one thing I took from it was they asked about Roy at LB.

Wade said that they've never used a LB in that position, he said it was the same thrid down defense Dallas used last yr for the most part, but that Dallas used a Linebacker where as they've ALWAYS used a DB.

My theory is those were the 3rd and over 7, or when D's would spread out. So we had a big LB playing the position most teams would have a Safety in, and I can't imagine how much pressure that would put on the rest of the defenses.

Your theory is exactly correct. By not having a S play up, or to where he can drop back into coverage of the flat you are basically putting the rest of the DBs in man to man and dropping a LB into pass coverage of the flat. This puts the LB at a disadvantage, but it would not a S because they are more adept at coverage. It exposes a seam in the D and a screen or dump off pass to a RB is a potential big play.

Sound familiar?

 

[adbutcher]

Your theory is exactly correct. By not having a S play up, or to where he can drop back into coverage of the flat you are basically putting the rest of the DBs in man to man and dropping a LB into pass coverage of the flat. This puts the LB at a disadvantage, but it would not a S because they are more adept at coverage. It exposes a seam in the D and a screen or dump off pass to a RB is a potential big play.

Sound familiar?

Get outahea! What you are suggesting is kooky talk. So you are proposing that Wade will use a player to his strengths? In other words, if a player is not strong in coverage he will try to minimize the times he is coverage, like a third and medium to third & long. This makes no sense. You need to sell this rubbish to those who are buying.

 

[ethiostar]

Get outahea! What you are suggesting is kooky talk. So you are proposing that Wade will use a player to his strengths? In other words, if a player is not strong in coverage he will try to minimize the times he is coverage, like a third and medium to third & long. This makes no sense. You need to sell this rubbish to those who are buying.

i will buy

 

[YosemiteSam]

You need to sell this rubbish to those who are buying.

:jackpot:

 

[Tobal]

I guess it works when you get quick pressure, but after we lost Ellis, we never got pressure with 5 to 6 players rushing unless Ware just made an outstanding play.

We never adjusted to losing Ellis, except for the Colts game which was just a huge change. I wonder how many plays Burnett had in that game.

 

[Hostile]

Get outahea! What you are suggesting is kooky talk. So you are proposing that Wade will use a player to his strengths? In other words, if a player is not strong in coverage he will try to minimize the times he is coverage, like a third and medium to third & long. This makes no sense. You need to sell this rubbish to those who are buying.

I'm outahea.

Do you remember at the Cardinals game when we talked about that? Instead of Bradie kept in on the Nickel though it was Dat? Something you said that day stuck with me and every time I watched that dump off to the FB last year and no adjustments I remembered it. You said, as a DL you'd be playing with your arms up high instead of down low so that you could get up to try and knock down a dump off pass. I remember asking you about there being a leverage disadvantage and you said there is.

Now every time when I see footage of last year I see not only the dump offs to the FB, I see D-linemen not getting pressure and playing hands high. Is it a double disadvantage then?

 

[Stash]

I guess it works when you get quick pressure, but after we lost Ellis, we never got pressure with 5 to 6 players rushing unless Ware just made an outstanding play.

We never adjusted to losing Ellis, except for the Colts game which was just a huge change. I wonder how many plays Burnett had in that game.

That's the game that seems to throw a monkey wrench in the "no pass rush without Ellis" theory - it doesn't fit that model.

The team attacked the Colts and got good pressure on Peyton Manning all day. The amazing part of that is that Manning is usually the hardest QB in the league to get to - and the Cowboys found a way to do that - without Greg Ellis.

 

[THUMPER]

That's the game that seems to throw a monkey wrench in the "no pass rush without Ellis" theory - it doesn't fit that model.

The team attacked the Colts and got good pressure on Peyton Manning all day. The amazing part of that is that Manning is usually the hardest QB in the league to get to - and the Cowboys found a way to do that - without Greg Ellis.

That game was a fluke for us all the way around. A wonderful fluke but a fluke none the less.

 

[Hostile]

I guess it works when you get quick pressure, but after we lost Ellis, we never got pressure with 5 to 6 players rushing unless Ware just made an outstanding play.

We never adjusted to losing Ellis, except for the Colts game which was just a huge change. I wonder how many plays Burnett had in that game.

Yes, it does. Even if you don't get sacks, there is no substitute for rushing the QB and making him react before the play is designed to set up.

 

[Hostile]

That game was a fluke for us all the way around. A wonderful fluke but a fluke none the less.

True, but I don't think it had to be.

 

[Stash]

That game was a fluke for us all the way around. A wonderful fluke but a fluke none the less.

How so?

 

[AbeBeta]

Your theory is exactly correct. By not having a S play up, or to where he can drop back into coverage of the flat you are basically putting the rest of the DBs in man to man and dropping a LB into pass coverage of the flat. This puts the LB at a disadvantage, but it would not a S because they are more adept at coverage. It exposes a seam in the D and a screen or dump off pass to a RB is a potential big play.

Sound familiar?

Of course the trade-off here is size. The DB is at a disadvantage on run plays. We were much better than SD in YPC on D last year, likely in part b/c of that focus.

Bill's focus was always stopping the run first -- Wade focuses on stopping the pass.

 

[Hostile]

Of course the trade-off here is size. The DB is at a disadvantage on run plays. We were much better than SD in YPC on D last year, likely in part b/c of that focus.

Bill's focus was always stopping the run first -- Wade focuses on stopping the pass.

This is true, but I'd like to point out that SD was also ranked ahead of us in run defense last year.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I thought I'd see a recap, but I missed it if their was one.

Anyway the one thing I took from it was they asked about Roy at LB.

Wade said that they've never used a LB in that position, he said it was the same thrid down defense Dallas used last yr for the most part, but that Dallas used a Linebacker where as they've ALWAYS used a DB.

My theory is those were the 3rd and over 7, or when D's would spread out. So we had a big LB playing the position most teams would have a Safety in, and I can't imagine how much pressure that would put on the rest of the defenses.

Dallas' problem wasn't that they wanted a LB in that spot but they needed a LB because they didn't have anyone else at safety.

It was a classic damned if you do.....

People want to harp on Williams lack of coverage skills but could you imagine the carnage if it would have been Davis and Watkins back there for a good percentage of most games?

 

[Doomsday101]

This is true, but I'd like to point out that SD was also ranked ahead of us in run defense last year.

SD gave up more 100 yard rushing days than Dallas did both games aginst denver and KC and even Alexander from the seahawks put up 140 yards. SD gave up an avg of 4.2 on 386 carries while Dallas gave up 3.9 on 429 carries. Hopefully we can be more aggressive and do better job of stopping the run than SD did

 

[AbeBeta]

This is true, but I'd like to point out that SD was also ranked ahead of us in run defense last year.

Yards per game yes, yards per carry no. SD was 7th and we were 10th in YPG (about a 3 YPG difference) but we were 8th in YPC where SD was 21st.

Although there are several ways to slice that, the YPC is less impacted by blowouts where teams just didn't run so much - teams ran less against SD and threw more against them. So that drives the YPG numbers down.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Get outahea! What you are suggesting is kooky talk. So you are proposing that Wade will use a player to his strengths? In other words, if a player is not strong in coverage he will try to minimize the times he is coverage, like a third and medium to third & long. This makes no sense. You need to sell this rubbish to those who are buying.

AB, you don't know how much I hope this is true. It has been excruciating to watch over the past few seasons. I mean, down right painful. I come onto the board, try to discuss exactly what you are outlining and it only gets worse. :laugh2:

I really hope this is all true.

 

[Tobal]

Dallas' problem wasn't that they wanted a LB in that spot but they needed a LB because they didn't have anyone else at safety.

It was a classic damned if you do.....

People want to harp on Williams lack of coverage skills but could you imagine the carnage if it would have been Davis and Watkins back there for a good percentage of most games?

Use Burnett or Davis there. Why constantly put Bradie James in such a poor position for him. I really am beginning to think James wasn't as awful as I felt he was last yr.... I'm thinking he lost confidence from being asked to stuff that was not suited to him.

We will see

He bulked up to handle the physical nature of Bills defense, but he was still asked to cover large areas of the field in passing situations.

 

[adbutcher]

I'm outahea.

Do you remember at the Cardinals game when we talked about that? Instead of Bradie kept in on the Nickel though it was Dat? Something you said that day stuck with me and every time I watched that dump off to the FB last year and no adjustments I remembered it. You said, as a DL you'd be playing with your arms up high instead of down low so that you could get up to try and knock down a dump off pass. I remember asking you about there being a leverage disadvantage and you said there is.

Now every time when I see footage of last year I see not only the dump offs to the FB, I see D-linemen not getting pressure and playing hands high. Is it a double disadvantage then?

Absolutely. And what is worse is the feeling of helplessness that even if you give your best as a player you will most like still fail. My coach use to call it being caught in a whipsaw, lol, basically you are dam if you do and dam if you don’t. Now ask yourself this, if you are a player and your coach puts you in a situation where you are getting your az handed to you, your teammates are driving you, the fans are driving you, the media is driving you; How much faith will you have in that coach?

When I looked around the league the Good Defense coordinators rarely put their personnel in bad spots on the field, now if the player whiffs on a tackle that is one thing.

For those who doubt this ask yourself this. How many times were we able to match Witten on Trotter for a TD? How many times Levon Kirkland was exposed in coverage when he played in Pittsburgh? How did SD manage to keep Edwards in coverage or running free to a gap and not exposed to lineman who would crush him in the run game?

To any one that have studied film knows that, down and distance, formations, hash marks, offensive line keys, and personnel packages will tell you a great percentage of the time what the play will be. Knowing this type of information how can you not create match ups that will favor you? Why all of the recent rule changes to the game was done to the benefit of the offense?

I know plenty here have their agendas against Bradie, Roy, Julius…etc. But the quickest way for a coach to loose a team is for the players to loose faith in his ability to put them in a position of success. If all of the film study, working out, and sacrificing your body, yields a vanilla scheme then it is easy to see how we faded in the stretch.