Walk-Around vs Coordinator Type Head Coach

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  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    "Walk Around" Head Coach vs Offensive or Defensive Guru as Head Coach

    Walk Around HC (non-coordinator HC)
    There are some possible advantages to having a Head Coach that is the manager with both the Offensive and Defensive Coordinators being somewhat independent of the Head Coach.
    1. HC focused on big picture.
    2. Can maintain consistent team structure/process when Coordinators are fired.

    Note: Belichick is still the football guru even if other coaches hold OC and DC titles.

    Head Coach as Offensive or Defensive Coordinator
    The big disadvantage is that the most in-demand Offensive or Defensive Gurus get hired as Head Coaches. A Sean McVay type Offensive Guru had to be hired as the Head Coach, not as an Offensive Coordinator.

    Even if an Offensive Guru was available as an Offensive Coordinator, those types would not want to work for a Head Coach that was previously the team's Offensive Coordinator. It would be better for the Offensive Guru to work for a Defensive minded Head Coach.

    Similar to the limitations of hiring top Gurus as Coordinators instead of as Head Coaches, keeping top Coordinators is also more limited when Neither Coordinator can be promoted to Head Coach.

    Obviously long term, only 1 of 2 Coordinators can be promoted to Head Coach, but keeping 1 of 2 is better than keeping zero.

    Cowboys Specifically

    The Scenario where the Cowboys exit the playoffs without reaching the Super Bowl presents difficult questions in regards to Head Coach.

    Hiring a new Head Coach works better when a team tanks by mid-season and management knows they'll hire a new HC. GMs with a team in the playoffs or playoff contention to the end of the season generally won't contact potential replacements until their season is completely finished.

    What if Garrett Not Retained

    Kellen Moore: Not likely hired as HC by Cowboys in 2020 regardless of success in 2019.

    Kris Richard: He is not even the DC in 2019. Would they hire him as HC?

    Outside Hire: Unless the Cowboys tank by about game 12, they'll get a late start hiring a new HC.

    What if Garrett gets New Contract
    The contract would likely expire after 2022 (3 year deal).

    Both Moore/Richard can likely be retaining in 2020 (Richard as DC).

    Both Moore/Richard could be hired by other teams as HCs before 2022.
  2. Tangle_Foot

    Tangle_Foot Well-Known Member

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    Is there such a thing as a clapping Guru:)
    But seriously the staff doesn't affect the cap so as long as you're proficient I don't really care one way or the other. Getting result is all anyone cares about.
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  3. Aerolithe_Lion

    Aerolithe_Lion Well-Known Member

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    The biggest downside to a ‘walkaround’ Head coach is he’s much more dependent on his coordinators.

    I don’t really care how good of an OC Mike Groh is, because Doug Pederson is our real OC.
  4. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    So, with this young team improving together, it's not likely that JG's gonna lose his job.
  5. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    Why is that a downside? It’s a function of how good your coordinators are.

    The NFL game is all about the players, first and foremost. After that, the coaches work primarily as a staff, anyway. Playcalls are coordinated by multiple offensive coaches on headsets, and multiple coaches are analyzing plays and communicating about them in real time. The the players have to translate that communication on the field. All with the other team making the same sorts of adjustments in real time on the other side. The idea that it’s a HC making adjustments and doing it during breaks in the game or at halftime like you see in the movies is silly.
  6. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    Professor, will we be graded on the curve?
    Could we take athletic stretching and conditioning instead of this?
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  7. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    Garrett would be a much better HC if he just walked around the stadium on game day and left game day management to *anyone* else.
  8. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    Before any injuries set in...this Dallas team should be a strong player's group.
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  9. Hadenough

    Hadenough Well-Known Member

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    The problem with firing Garrett is they would want to hire a new head coach that is willing to work with all the same assistant coaches. Any good head coach is going to want to choose his staff of coaches. That takes Jerry out of his comfort zone and I dont see that happening.
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  10. DuncanIso

    DuncanIso Well-Known Member

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    Garrett delegates everything through the 3 coordinators.

    He doesn't call any plays (except timeouts and the extra points) and has no control of the defense. (Which is why Marinelli got away with wrecking the Rams game.)

    At least he wears the comm gear during the games. But you rarely see him talking into it.

    I don't know why people want him gone. He is doing what he has been told to do.

    Nothing would change if he left.
  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I don't see that (dependence on coordinators) by itself as a significant downside.

    A team can have the stability of the same Head Coach but have options to change up schemes by changing Coordinators.
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  12. Techsass

    Techsass Well-Known Member

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    Wade knew his position was only temporary, so his hiring shouldn't count. Did Garret have a stable of coaches that would follow him?
  13. JayFord

    JayFord Well-Known Member

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    If you fire Garrett which I think should have been done over a decade ago you need someone that can motivate just as good as he can

    Say what you will about Jason Garrett that man is a master motivator and I’ve never seen a team quit on him ever
  14. CouchCoach

    CouchCoach Well-Known Member

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    If I was hiring my HC, he would be a combo HC/OC because I want him tight with my QB but I would have the best DC money could buy so the OC could focus 100% of his attention on that during the games. I would still have an OC to handle the day to day.

    What works well is what Reid had with Jim Johnson and what Gruden had with Kiffin and what McVay has with Phillips. Get a DC that can be trusted as the HC of the D. The tricky part of that is finding one that will stay around long enough and not get the HC bug because most of them fail and will be back to DC or OC.
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  15. Techsass

    Techsass Well-Known Member

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    Even if they don't gel, it's unlikely JG loses his job. But just for the dreamers (Ranching?) people do actually win the lottery.
  16. DuncanIso

    DuncanIso Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, JasonG's coaching record isn't that bad.

    77-59 Good
    2-3 Playoffs Bad
  17. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    The bad outweighs the good.
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  18. CouchCoach

    CouchCoach Well-Known Member

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    I saw that as the welcome sign to the web site.
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  19. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    With HC in Waiting Garrett already hired, *everyone* knew that Wade's position was temporary. He was hamstrung from day one.
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  20. DuncanIso

    DuncanIso Well-Known Member

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    Wade had problems.

    That 2010 meltdown was all him.

    I went to training camp that Summer and all everyone could talk about was going to the Super Bowl.

    He was a good DC though.
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