Ware Is Showing Nothing Right Now...

trickblue said:
He was burned on the inside in game 1... he did an excellent job of adjusting that and containing the outside last night...

One game at a time... let him develop...
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Exactly, portis still didnt get a lot of yards. he worked fine last night, and did well. Trickblue hit it right on the head. He payed a lot of attnetion to the outside last night, and it worked, as long as we arent giving up 150 a game on the ground, he is doing his job.
 
dallasblue05 said:
Exactly, portis still didnt get a lot of yards. he worked fine last night, and did well. Trickblue hit it right on the head. He payed a lot of attnetion to the outside last night, and it worked, as long as we arent giving up 150 a game on the ground, he is doing his job.
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Sorry, but run containment isn't what he was drafted for. Yes, he has to do it, but make no mistake, Ware was brought here to get sacks! End of story!
He said so himself after he was drafted.

Question: How many sacks does our pass rushing 3-4 end have so far this season? It's time he get going.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
I'm sorry, maybe it's over-reaction, but since camp we've been hearing that he is stopped dead in his tracks once the OL engages him and I've seen nothing to indicate to me he is learning to use his hands to avoid it or he is improving in that area....
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No argument from me! He was totally ineffective. No a single QB pressure.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
Sorry, but run containment isn't what he was drafted for. Yes, he has to do it, but make no mistake, Ware was brought here to get sacks! End of story!
He said so himself after he was drafted.

Question: How many sacks does our pass rushing 3-4 end have so far this season? It's time he get going.
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I don't normally get involved in a argument about players except when they are as misguided and un-fair as yours is. You say he wasn't brought in for run containment which is true but it is one of his responsibilities, as well as pass coverage is in some offensive sets. I guess you missed him making tackles downfield in pass coverage.

So in passing situations his very first responsibility is pass coverage, He has also effected the offenses because Washington was dam sure accounting for him last night which allows other players freedom.

So while 2 games in the NFL for a player learning to play at a completely new level of competition as well as learning the completely new skill set of pass coverage responsibility may be enough for you to write your "End of Story".

That's just your opinion and it certainly doesn't reflect my opinion nor does it reflect the opinion of many others, If you don't think Ware hasn't had a positive effect on both his first NFL games, Well perhaps you just don't think at all........
 
I agree. Ware is still learning and showing potential. Remember, he is a converted LB only playing in his 2nd game against starters. There are lessons that he must learn before he can dominate, and he will.

But if you must blame anybody, blame Greg Ellis. He constantly took himself out of every play by over pursuing. Everytime he rushed, his own momentum was used to force him away from the QB time after time. You would think that he would have learned from that and spun off or used the swim move but he didn't, and that is sad because he is a veteran that should know better.
 
I thought we was much better positionally. Yes, not much pass rush. However he had 2 tackles for losses I believe. 1 for sure.
 
Ware played just fine. He is already MUCH improved against the run. He hasn't doesn't his swim move to get back inside because that allows the RB to get outside too easily on a run play. Once he gets more adjusted, and figures out if it's a run vs pass play sooner, he'll start getting his sacks.
 
I feel to see anyone metion how at one point in the game Ware was trippled teamed which allowe dother guys to be freed up.

I saw on one play Ware had Samuel the rb and for good measure got chiped by a 3rd guy before the play was over
 
Give me a break except for two bigs plays(3 actually) our defense dominated.
 
CaptainAmerica said:
Question: How many sacks does our pass rushing 3-4 end have so far this season? It's time he get going.
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Ellis has one.
Canty has one.
Spears has half a sack.

Ware? He's not a 3-4 end.
 
how many yards did Clinton PUNKIS have? How many sacks did the defense have? and your implying Ware had nothing to do with that GET REAL
 
Some on this board wanted to get rid of Newman after the first now it sounds like we need to get rid of Roy and Ware after the 2nd game, at this rate Nate Jones is going to be playing both CB and S by mid season.....
 
I agree. Hopefully it ins't to late to trade Roy, Ware, and Glenn and squander a 7th round pick.


:p:
 
Longboysfan said:
The player I would like to know - what was going on last night was Al Singleton.
He did not have a good night in coverage and run defending.
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I think Ware actually replaced AS on a handful of plays. I think BP is looking to move Ware around to create more problems for the O.

I wish BP would read this board. He'd know that Ware sucked and just try to move on without him.
 
Next_years_Champs said:
I don't normally get involved in a argument about players except when they are as misguided and un-fair as yours is. You say he wasn't brought in for run containment which is true but it is one of his responsibilities, as well as pass coverage is in some offensive sets. I guess you missed him making tackles downfield in pass coverage.

So in passing situations his very first responsibility is pass coverage, He has also effected the offenses because Washington was dam sure accounting for him last night which allows other players freedom.

So while 2 games in the NFL for a player learning to play at a completely new level of competition as well as learning the completely new skill set of pass coverage responsibility may be enough for you to write your "End of Story".

That's just your opinion and it certainly doesn't reflect my opinion nor does it reflect the opinion of many others, If you don't think Ware hasn't had a positive effect on both his first NFL games, Well perhaps you just don't think at all........
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I didn't say Ware didn't have a "positive effect", whatever that means to you. He is doing some good things.

BUT, (and Parcells has mentioned this many times), right now he is not able to disengage from the OL to pressure the QB. I'm sorry, but Ware himself said that is why he's paid the big $$. It isn't to be a run-stopper, even though that's part of his responsibility. It's to get sacks!!

If you say you have seen him disengage from the OL in the first 2 games and get to the QB to sack him, please remind me of those plays. I'm not dogging him to be contentious, I honestly am concerned that his pass rush looks more like Ekuban right now, than it does, Haley. That is not what they were saying in camp about him.
 
JPM said:
Some on this board wanted to get rid of Newman after the first now it sounds like we need to get rid of Roy and Ware after the 2nd game, at this rate Nate Jones is going to be playing both CB and S by mid season.....
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Why is it if a poster calls attention to a player's defeciency in an area the poster is saying we should trade him or cut him?
Please do a search on my post and find where i have ever said that about Ware, T-New, etc.

I've yet to read a response that contradicts the point I'm making and that is that OL are consistently engulfing Ware on a consistent basis in his pass rush and he is unable, AT THIS POINT, to counter the OL. Is that an incorrect statement, in your opinion?
 
CaptainAmerica said:
I didn't say Ware didn't have a "positive effect", whatever that means to you. He is doing some good things.

BUT, (and Parcells has mentioned this many times), right now he is not able to disengage from the OL to pressure the QB. I'm sorry, but Ware himself said that is why he's paid the big $$. It isn't to be a run-stopper, even though that's part of his responsibility. It's to get sacks!!

If you say you have seen him disengage from the OL in the first 2 games and get to the QB to sack him, please remind me of those plays. I'm not dogging him to be contentious, I honestly am concerned that his pass rush looks more like Ekuban right now, than it does, Haley. That is not what they were saying in camp about him.
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It isn't going to show up in the stat sheets but Ware IS creating sacks. Whenever he rushed the QB, it appeared that he was getting stopped, which he was, but that also meant that someone else was getting loose because everyone is focusing on Ware. If my mind serves me correctly, Spears, Canty, and Nguyen's sacks came when Ware was rushing. It is a cause-effect type of thing...Ware is creating sacks.
 
jdub2k4 said:
It isn't going to show up in the stat sheets but Ware IS creating sacks. Whenever he rushed the QB, it appeared that he was getting stopped, which he was, but that also meant that someone else was getting loose because everyone is focusing on Ware. If my mind serves me correctly, Spears, Canty, and Nguyen's sacks came when Ware was rushing. It is a cause-effect type of thing...Ware is creating sacks.
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That's a good observation and I do agree with it.

BUT, the big-time sack artists like Freeney, Haley, etc. don't just free others up to get them, they also get them. It's getting time for Ware to get to the QB as you expect a pass rusher to do.
 
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