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I hate making a thread about this guy and his stances but those of you from the old site. (The Ranch) know who this is.
This guy for years touted defense , defense , defense. Albeit he was one of the most annoying posters to be around in his approach

he was correct though in part the cowboys have neglected or failed to address this side of the ball for years. They have tried to place cheap FA bandaids on it . They have taken flyers in the draft that either failed or the jury is still out .

the have not addressed safety at all even though I’m somewhat encouraged by Wilson. They pay folks they shouldn’t

I am hoping that this off-season will bring about a change in philosophy and we address these shortcomings

We need address at the very least this off-season
DT ( while I like Hill’s and Gallimore’s progress this has to he addressed )
CB ( I think Diggs is going to improve he needs a running mate)
LB with speed and attitude
We could probably benefit from a quality safety as well to partner with Wilson

With all that said look for Kyle Pitts at #10

this has been a crazy year and while I was excited about losing Garrett I am not impressed with McCarthy at all but I give him another year based on circumstance

Nolan not so much. Not sure if WareD94 is here under a different name but he has a point even if he was one of the most annoying posters I’ve ran across.
 
starfan1 said:
I hate making a thread about this guy and his stances but those of you from the old site. (The Ranch) know who this is.
This guy for years touted defense , defense , defense. Albeit he was one of the most annoying posters to be around in his approach

he was correct though in part the cowboys have neglected or failed to address this side of the ball for years. They have tried to place cheap FA bandaids on it . They have taken flyers in the draft that either failed or the jury is still out .

the have not addressed safety at all even though I’m somewhat encouraged by Wilson. They pay folks they shouldn’t

I am hoping that this off-season will bring about a change in philosophy and we address these shortcomings

We need address at the very least this off-season
DT ( while I like Hill’s and Gallimore’s progress this has to he addressed )
CB ( I think Diggs is going to improve he needs a running mate)
LB with speed and attitude
We could probably benefit from a quality safety as well to partner with Wilson

With all that said look for Kyle Pitts at #10

this has been a crazy year and while I was excited about losing Garrett I am not impressed with McCarthy at all but I give him another year based on circumstance

Nolan not so much. Not sure if WareD94 is here under a different name but he has a point even if he was one of the most annoying posters I’ve ran across.
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Oh ma I remember him..
 
starfan1 said:
I hate making a thread about this guy and his stances but those of you from the old site. (The Ranch) know who this is.
This guy for years touted defense , defense , defense. Albeit he was one of the most annoying posters to be around in his approach

he was correct though in part the cowboys have neglected or failed to address this side of the ball for years. They have tried to place cheap FA bandaids on it . They have taken flyers in the draft that either failed or the jury is still out .

the have not addressed safety at all even though I’m somewhat encouraged by Wilson. They pay folks they shouldn’t

I am hoping that this off-season will bring about a change in philosophy and we address these shortcomings

We need address at the very least this off-season
DT ( while I like Hill’s and Gallimore’s progress this has to he addressed )
CB ( I think Diggs is going to improve he needs a running mate)
LB with speed and attitude
We could probably benefit from a quality safety as well to partner with Wilson

With all that said look for Kyle Pitts at #10

this has been a crazy year and while I was excited about losing Garrett I am not impressed with McCarthy at all but I give him another year based on circumstance

Nolan not so much. Not sure if WareD94 is here under a different name but he has a point even if he was one of the most annoying posters I’ve ran across.
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The narrative that we have not addressed this side of the ball is FALSE. We just have not gotten it right. Off the top of my head here is what we have done in the last 10 drafts. I chose to look back at the last 10 because Sean Lee is still with the team:

Used a top 4 pick and a 2nd round pick on Mo Claiborne (and I believe the 2nd round pick was a high pick as well) (CB)
Used a 1st round pick on Taco Charlton (DE)
Used a 1st round pick on LVE (LB)
Used a 1st round pick on Byron Jones (CB/S)
Used a 2nd round pick on Jaylon Smith AND extended him (LB)
Used a 2nd round pick on Trysten Hill (DT)
Used a 2nd round pick on Sean Lee (LB)
Used a 2nd round pick on Bruce Carter (LB)
Used a 2nd and 3rd round pick on Demarcus Lawrence (DE)
Used a 2nd round pick on Randy Gregory (DE)
Used a 2nd round pick on Chidobe Awuzie (CB)
Used a 2nd round pick on Trevon Diggs (CB)

So that is a LOT of draft capital. In 2019 we did not have a 1st round pick because of Cooper. And in 2012 we did not have a 2nd round pick because we used a 1st and 2nd on Mo Claiborne in 2012. So looking at that list of draft capital...how many saw a 2nd contract from Dallas? NONE of the 1st round picks have...and LVE probably won't either. That is a killer!

I won't go into free agency...but as I reflect I believe we spend more on defense in Free Agency than offense. When I think about our best offensive players...o lineman, RBs, WRs, TEs, QB....we draft those.

I have said in many threads that the BIGGEST issue with Dallas...outside of Jerry Jones...is we stayed in bed with Jason Garrett too long....which can be tied back to Rod Marinelli.....which both can be tied back to Jones. This is why we have MISSED on defense.

For further proof on my Garrett theory...go back to 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008...all first round picks were used on defense....and we got them all right except Bobby Carpenter(made up for this miss by drafting Hatcher in same draft). It was, Ware, Spencer, Spears, and Mike Jenkins.
 
bbailey423 said:
The narrative that we have not addressed this side of the ball is FALSE. We just have not gotten it right. Off the top of my head here is what we have done in the last 10 drafts. I chose to look back at the last 10 because Sean Lee is still with the team:

Used a top 4 pick and a 2nd round pick on Mo Claiborne (and I believe the 2nd round pick was a high pick as well) (CB) ya that was big Doink!
Used a 1st round pick on Taco Charlton (DE) Fail
Used a 1st round pick on LVE (LB) Jury out
Used a 1st round pick on Byron Jones (CB/S) this was quality pick that got lost in $$
Used a 2nd round pick on Jaylon Smith AND extended him (LB) Fail
Used a 2nd round pick on Trysten Hill (DT) jury still out
Used a 2nd round pick on Sean Lee (LB) hes a fossil but great pick
Used a 2nd round pick on Bruce Carter (LB) average
Used a 2nd and 3rd round pick on Demarcus Lawrence (DE) Im indifferent on this.Hes suppose to be a war daddy and Im not sure he is but hes our best defensive player
Used a 2nd round pick on Randy Gregory (DE) Fail
Used a 2nd round pick on Chidobe Awuzie (CB) Fail
Used a 2nd round pick on Trevon Diggs (CB) jury out but looks like a winner

So that is a LOT of draft capital. In 2019 we did not have a 1st round pick because of Cooper. And in 2012 we did not have a 2nd round pick because we used a 1st and 2nd on Mo Claiborne in 2012. So looking at that list of draft capital...how many saw a 2nd contract from Dallas? NONE of the 1st round picks have...and LVE probably won't either. That is a killer!

I won't go into free agency...but as I reflect I believe we spend more on defense in Free Agency than offense. When I think about our best offensive players...o lineman, RBs, WRs, TEs, QB....we draft those.

I have said in many threads that the BIGGEST issue with Dallas...outside of Jerry Jones...is we stayed in bed with Jason Garrett too long....which can be tied back to Rod Marinelli.....which both can be tied back to Jones. This is why we have MISSED on defense.

For further proof on my Garrett theory...go back to 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008...all first round picks were used on defense....and we got them all right except Bobby Carpenter(made up for this miss by drafting Hatcher in same draft). It was, Ware, Spencer, Spears, and Mike Jenkins.
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I think if you read my post i did say they tried but failed. I do agree they tried several times but they have not hit too frequently. And perhaps the biggest miss was the one they didnt do. They should have took Ramsey instaed of Zeke and followed it up with Henry and left Jaylon to someone else.
 
One again, the Cowboys have not failed to address defense. They've just addressed it poorly. They've drafted more defensive players in the first 3 rounds of the draft the last 5 years than they have offensive players.

You can accuse them of a lot of things but ignoring defense is not one of them.
 
starfan1 said:
No the OP is saying that is a Jerry thing to do. Dont be shocked.
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Ok i see it now. I wasn't sure what was going on, and that's the reason I asked before actually responding.
 
Risen Star said:
One again, the Cowboys have not failed to address defense. They've just addressed it poorly. They've drafted more defensive players in the first 3 rounds of the draft the last 5 years than they have offensive players.

You can accuse them of a lot of things but ignoring defense is not one of them.
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That to me is the same as not addressing it but your point is valid and i mentioned it in my OP.
 
where they have failed more than anywhere else, is in not addressing coaching. the 10 years with garrett was a stream of highly untalented dc's.
 
Offense is more important than defense, the resources the Cowboys give to it is fine, they just haven't always hit on the players.
 
starfan1 said:
I hate making a thread about this guy and his stances but those of you from the old site. (The Ranch) know who this is.
This guy for years touted defense , defense , defense. Albeit he was one of the most annoying posters to be around in his approach

he was correct though in part the cowboys have neglected or failed to address this side of the ball for years. They have tried to place cheap FA bandaids on it . They have taken flyers in the draft that either failed or the jury is still out .

the have not addressed safety at all even though I’m somewhat encouraged by Wilson. They pay folks they shouldn’t

I am hoping that this off-season will bring about a change in philosophy and we address these shortcomings

We need address at the very least this off-season
DT ( while I like Hill’s and Gallimore’s progress this has to he addressed )
CB ( I think Diggs is going to improve he needs a running mate)
LB with speed and attitude
We could probably benefit from a quality safety as well to partner with Wilson

With all that said look for Kyle Pitts at #10

this has been a crazy year and while I was excited about losing Garrett I am not impressed with McCarthy at all but I give him another year based on circumstance

Nolan not so much. Not sure if WareD94 is here under a different name but he has a point even if he was one of the most annoying posters I’ve ran across.
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Remember Dware 94 boy oh boy..lol I think you hit it with with DT and LB, I'll just say secondary, Safety or corner, I also would look to do this in Free agency or trade, and not bargan shopping.
 
Cowboys fans..

We need defense!


Also Cowboys fans..

Glad we let Byron Jones go! Couldn't get interceptions! Durrrr
 
Gimme Kyle Pitts for sure....Best Player Available!! I don't care if we had Davante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, AND Stefon Diggs all on the same roster and the worst defense ever. If the best player is there, you gotta take him!!
 
CATCH17 said:
Cowboys fans..

We need defense!


Also Cowboys fans..

Glad we let Byron Jones go! Couldn't get interceptions! Durrrr
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honestly i don't know too many cowboy fans that were glad to let Jones go in fact i don't know any. Id love to see them. I do however know there are plenty that are ok with him signing that huge contract elsewhere because what he got in the market was not worth the ROI. Precisely because he don't get turnovers

Now I was ok with him leaving i make no bones about it. I seen him get beat enough and know he just isn't worth it although he is a good corner. I also am of the stance that they overpaid the wrong guys and i would have loved to see Jaylon or Zeke leave before him.
 
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