Was Tolbert that bad?

[jazzcat22]

Maybe he can bring a 7th round comp pick.
He really is not that bad, but not great. Some team will take a chance on him.

If not a comp pick, maybe he offsets one of a player we sign.

 

[Chasing6]

Coogles is a better option than Mingo.

 

[kskboys]

Maybe he can bring a 7th round comp pick.
He really is not that bad, but not great. Some team will take a chance on him.

If not a comp pick, maybe he offsets one of a player we sign.

You get comp picks for backups? You sure?

 

[blueblood70]

I just doubt Tolbert is resigned by Dallas. Mingo may be trash, but he can block well and Holden might come in and be a better possession receiver than Tolbert.

Lamb, Pickens, Flournoy, Turpin, Mingo, Holden. Why do you need / want Tolbert around if he can't ascend beyond WR5 with the current WR room? That's the definition of a progress stopper. I mean Flournoy and Turpin both passed him up on the depth chart this season.

If Jerry doesn't sign Pickens we can start the Tolbert conversation back up, but we don't need to be drafting WRs when we already spent this years 3rd on Pickens (another reason to extend him one way or another).

still disagree...

 

[thunderpimp91]

You get comp picks for backups? You sure?

Yeah I doubt he comes close to being paid high enough for a comp pick. My guess is that he settles for very close to vet minimum to compete somewhere for a roster spot.

I do bet the Cowboys try to showcase him this weekend against the Giants though in hopes of getting him paid. I'm sure thats why his snaps against Washignton last week jumped up to 57. Prior to that game he hasnt had double digit passing snaps since week 7.

 

[TheRunningMan]

I said that was the primary issue with the entire Cowboys team. Laco of talent isn't the main issue. Dallas needs DAWGS. You can't coach that.

 

[kskboys]

I said that was the primary issue with the entire Cowboys team. Laco of talent isn't the main issue. Dallas needs DAWGS. You can't coach that.

It's the opposite. You cannot be a DAWG if you lack talent. Our players lack talent. It really is that simple.

 

[TheRunningMan]

It's the opposite. You cannot be a DAWG if you lack talent. Our players lack talent. It really is that simple.

Talent isnt a monolith. There are degrees and metrics to it. You can be an average or mediocre player, but being a dawg can boost you up incrementally or a couple notches. It won't make you elite. But you can be a dawg with minimum talent.

If a player makes it to the NFL they have TALENT.

How they cultivate that talent is one thing. But just bc a guy doesnt perform on the field, or looks bad, doesnt mean they dont have talent.

There's a lot that goes into "talent" and how you develop and cultivate it.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think it's odd that you don't see the fact that Mingo probably is not here and there's a huge chance that Pickens is traded you need to understand the need for the money in the first round draft pick could outweigh what they think he brings to this offense on a 500 team by the way who had trouble scoring when they needed it the most and the Lions and Vikings game you didn't see much out of this dynamic duo..


Find it hilarious I mean first I said odd but hilarious and that you're adding in Holden who hasn't done a thing yet in a game how do you know he's better than Tolbert..

Only guarantees who will be on this team in a in a role during a regular season game next year is CD, Flournoy, Turpin...

Pickens TBD; 1st round trade value asset saves 30+M

Mingo-OUT dudes trash..TOLBERT is clearly better than him

Tolbert will TBD by what they do with the above decisions..

Please don't come at me like you know for a fact that George Pickens is on this team..

I can see them franchise tagging him first round tender listening to offers possibly matching it but they also are going to look at it they're up against the cap they could use some more draft picks you could turn that first round pick into multiple picks like a 2nd and 3rd rounder and then really rebuild this team you get a new WR2 in the draft,

Hypothetically this could be the wide receiver depth chart next year.

CD, Flournoy, Drafted WR, Turpin...and yes that scenario they keep Tolbert cheap for depth plus Holden and TBD to compete for last spots..


I'm telling you be prepared some of what I'm talking about could come true There's all kinds of things up in the air right now but that is my feelings that's my take..

Mingo is under contract so he would most likely at least be brought back to compete for a roster spot in camp. And even if they do elect to move on from Pickens they still need to find a replacement for him either in FA or the draft. I'm not sure that either player effects Tolbert whatsoever. Just looking at some of the possible FA comps from last year for Tolbert he might make a little more money than I originally thought.

Cedrick Wilson settled for a vet min contract this year, but last year received a 2/$5.75m deal from NO.
Ray Ray McCloud got a 2/$5m deal from Atlanta

If Tolbert is anything more than vet min I dont really see the point in bringing him back to compete for a roster spot when you already have 4 WR spots taken between Lamb, Pickens, Flournoy, and Turpin. Even if Pickens is gone I think they need to go find a true wr3 to compete for the spot in camp.

 

[kskboys]

Talent isnt a monolith. There are degrees and metrics to it. You can be an average or mediocre player, but being a dawg can boost you up incrementally or a couple notches. It won't make you elite. But you can be a dawg with minimum talent.

If a player makes it to the NFL they have TALENT.

How they cultivate that talent is one thing. But just bc a guy doesnt perform on the field, or looks bad, doesnt mean they dont have talent.

There's a lot that goes into "talent" and how you develop and cultivate it.

All true. However, at the same time, there are different levels of talent among those who make it to the NFL. All things are not equal just because "they all have talent."

Take Murray, for instance. He completely lacks instincts. That is why he is bad, it has nothing to do w/ being a DAWG or not.

And then take a DAWG out of our past. Bill Bates had more DAWG in him than any player we've ever had. Not many would disagree. Then why didn't he start? He started exactly one year, and was primarily a STer, backup, and nickel player. Easy: He didn't start because he lacked the talent to start.

First sentence: Sure, but you can also be a DAWG and not be able to play due to lack of talent.

 

[jazzcat22]

You get comp picks for backups? You sure?

Are you sure we don't?
Tolbert was a starter. He was not horrible.
We got them before. Look at Terrence Williams, I believe we got one for him. Armstrong was a role player rotational player, we got one for him.
Or at least they got qualifying offers, that ay have been offset by players we signed.

So yes, Tolbert can possibly get that.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Are you sure we don't?
Tolbert was a starter. He was not horrible.
We got them before. Look at Terrence Williams, I believe we got one for him. Armstrong was a role player rotational player, we got one for him.
Or at least they got qualifying offers, that ay have been offset by players we signed.

So yes, Tolbert can possibly get that.

They did not get one for Terrence Williams, and I dont think he even made a roster after leaving Dallas. Armstrong got a contract worth $11m per year. Right now OTC is showing Eric Wilson as the last 7th round comp pick for 2026. Hes a lower value contract around what Tolbert can probably expect, but he also played around 90% of the defensive snaps for Minnesota this year + special teams. While its possible, its pretty long odds that Tolbert nets you a comp pick especially since the Cowboys probably get 3-5 Tolbert type FAs this offseason to offset his comp pick if he does end up getting starter snaps somewhere to qualify.