Watching the Packers offense

[BoysFan4ever]

Aside from Rogers winning a superbowl both QB put up very similar numbers. So what does Romo have to do to be considered elite? Win the superbowl?

I don't consider him elite & no I don't think you have to go to & win a SB to be elite.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't consider him elite & no I don't think you have to go to & win a SB to be elite.

Thats your opinion. But their stats are very similar. Even this year their stats are similar. So if their stats are similar why does Rogers get elite status and Romo is just a good QB?

 

[dupree89]

Aside from Rogers winning a superbowl

there is no putting that aside. Thats how QBs are judged. Fair or not.

 

[perrykemp]

Thats your opinion. But their stats are very similar. Even this year their stats are similar. So if their stats are similar why does Rogers get elite status and Romo is just a good QB?

Their stats are pretty close this year, however, for their careers, Rodger's stats are superior in just about every category. Rodgers has averaged a 105 QB rating for his entire career, Romo has exceeded 100+ just twice and Romo's best ever QB rating isn't as high as Rodger's average.

Now, if you were to ask me what I thought Romo's stats would have been if he had played in GB under McCarthy with GB's receiving corp the last 4 or 5 years, and that's a whole other discussion.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

this offense has been crap for a long while.

I've gotten into it plenty of times with other posters on here about why it's no good.

use the eye test, and compare it to other offenses, like the packers for instance.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Their stats are pretty close this year, however, for their careers, Rodger's stats are superior in just about every category. Rodgers has averaged a 105 QB rating for his entire career, Romo has exceeded 100+ just twice and Romo's best ever QB rating isn't as high as Rodger's average.

Now, if you were to ask me what I thought Romo's stats would have been if he had played in GB under McCarthy with GB's receiving corp the last 4 or 5 years, and that's a whole other discussion.

I can't argue with you on that. I kinda would like to see a system that fits Romo and looking at the GB offense, I can really see Romo excelling. Wish we had a coach that could utilize Romo's mobility. Now it just seems that he is nothing more than a pocket passer.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Thats your opinion. But their stats are very similar. Even this year their stats are similar. So if their stats are similar why does Rogers get elite status and Romo is just a good QB?

You're hung up on stats which is fine but I'd take Rogers any day of the week including Sunday over Tony.

Maybe most think Tony is better. I do not.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

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[Blackspider214]

I agree. We look so panicked on offense a lot of the times. It's nerve wrecking.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Romo has played 1 more game...

we shall see who has better stats when the season is over . But as of right now its Romo.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You're hung up on stats which is fine but I'd take Rogers any day of the week including Sunday over Tony.

Maybe most think Tony is better. I do not.

I do not think Romo is better. But you put him in the same system as Rogers and you will basically see the same identical stats as what Rogers is putting up now. The problem with Romo is that he is in a system that doesn't fit him. Heck, we don't even use Romo's mobility as advantage, even though his one of the best QBs out of the pocket. Our system is made for a pocket passer. Its not made for Romo.

 

[CowboyStar88]

My whole thought was how smooth everything looks and how Calm AR is vs how chaotic our offense looks and how rattled Romo looks.

I wasn't saying comparing the 2 players talent wise just an observation.

 

[KB1122]

Romo has much more talent around him than Rodgers. And always has.

 

[ConstantReboot]

My whole thought was how smooth everything looks and how Calm AR is vs how chaotic our offense looks and how rattled Romo looks.

I wasn't saying comparing the 2 players talent wise just an observation.

The offense we run is based on our oline protecting Romo. He basically has to wait for the plays to develop before he can get the ball off. Rogers offense has a 2 second rule. If Rogers doesn't see an open man in two seconds, a mad scramble occurs, and all the receivers have to get open when Rogers scramble.

The point is that Green Bay practices for Rogers scrambling out of pocket. While we practice for Romo to stay in the pocket and wait for the plays to happen. We don't practice for Romo scrambling and it bites us during game time.

 

[Clove]

I thought Romo was supposed to just cut down on the turnovers and manage the game and stop blowing games in the 4th and we were Super Bowl bound?

Yet he rarely turns it over this year, throws the ball away, takes sacks and still throws more TD passes than most NFL QBs - and we are still .500.

Three things are the same this year - Garrett is still stupid, the defense still stinks, and we cannot run the ball

Your problem is, you're in denial. This guy could not move the ball until the 4th quarter. And this happens all the time. We've never had a smooth offense under Romo except when we had Owens, who would take a 2 yard pass and take it to the house. Again, we had two receivers take simple passes, and take it to the house. If you can go through a game, play by play, you will see that Romo & company, for 7 or 8 years now, stalls on offense continuously. And guess what? Every year, he'll have a couple of games where he just completely dominates. And those are the games his fans remember. Not the other 12 to 14 games where it took him until the 3rd or 4th to do something. And this is why we've played in a lot of close games. We can never take a team by the throat and squash them because Romo and any offense he runs, just cannot move the ball.

 

[Staubacher]

Your problem is, you're in denial. This guy could not move the ball until the 4th quarter. And this happens all the time. We've never had a smooth offense under Romo except when we had Owens, who would take a 2 yard pass and take it to the house. Again, we had two receivers take simple passes, and take it to the house. If you can go through a game, play by play, you will see that Romo & company, for 7 or 8 years now, stalls on offense continuously. And guess what? Every year, he'll have a couple of games where he just completely dominates. And those are the games his fans remember. Not the other 12 to 14 games where it took him until the 3rd or 4th to do something. And this is why we've played in a lot of close games. We can never take a team by the throat and squash them because Romo and any offense he runs, just cannot move the ball.

Pass offense is top half of the league. I believe 8th currently. Thats moving the ball and thus your point is baseless. Pass defense is the worst in NFL history btw. Is that on romo?

We can't run the ball you wanna blame romo for that too?

Worst pass defense ever and no run game while romo is among the league leaders in td passes and lack of turnovers.

Yeah I'm the one in denial lol

 

[CowboyStar88]

Pass offense is top half of the league. I believe 8th currently. Thats moving the ball and thus your point is baseless. Pass defense is the worst in NFL history btw. Is that on romo?

We can't run the ball you wanna blame romo for that too?

Worst pass defense ever and no run game while romo is among the league leaders in td passes and lack of turnovers.

Yeah I'm the one in denial lol

The only comment I can come up with about running the ball is Romo's freedom at the line to change the run play based on the defense and it appeared he audible wrong on a few plays to run the ball directly into the blitz and ignore the one on one coverage they were getting. Detroit was daring them to beat them with the pass. They didn't think Romo could do it and he proved it to them

 

[Staubacher]

The only comment I can come up with about running the ball is Romo's freedom at the line to change the run play based on the defense and it appeared he audible wrong on a few plays to run the ball directly into the blitz and ignore the one on one coverage they were getting. Detroit was daring them to beat them with the pass. They didn't think Romo could do it and he proved it to them

I think he was ordered on the last two drives to run run run. In fact I'm almost sure of it because he kept lobbying garrett on the sidelines

 

[CowboyStar88]

I think he was ordered on the last two drives to run run run. In fact I'm almost sure of it because he kept lobbying garrett on the sidelines

I'm no disagreeing on that point in speaking of early in the game.

 

[kevm3]

The problem is the "Garrett System" and him allowing our offense to play to the competition. We have the wrong kind of OC for our personnel as well. Callahan is a dink and dunk, run first type of guy, but we don't have that kind of team. The Chiefs do. They have a bus driver in Alex Smith and Jamaal Charles to get those crucial yards. Then they can let the defense clean up from there. We've completely neutralized Romo's best abilities which is making explosive plays and turned him into a bus-driver. Why are we paying $100 million dollars to turn our QB into a bus driver when we don't have the runningbacks to establish a consistent running game and we also have some of the most explosive receivers in the league? I don't understand it.

Garrett is playing ultra conservative to keep his job. As soon as Dez starts yelling and we open up and allow Romo to toss it down the field... guess what, touchdowns. In the Broncos game, we knew from the get-go we would have to score to be in the game, so we open it up from the get-go and we have an amazing performance from Romo. Then the next few games, we go back to playing to the competition's level and playing ultra conservative. We play conservative on offense until the 4th quarter. The other team is still hanging around and then that's when we let Romo open it up and somehow we mysteriously start to score. There's a reason Romo has the 4th quarter stats that he does. He's being told to play ultra safe until we get to the 4th quarter, and depending on our position, he is allowed to open it up and toss down field or if we have a massive lead, we're playing ultra safe ball and letting the other team get back into the game.... the game then devolves into the defense having to make a last minute stop or it puts Romo in a high pressure situation. The fact that we are constantly playing these close games tells me we are 'playing to the competition's level' instead of maximizing our talent.