Watercooler Debate at work...you decide?

[Maikeru-sama]

I was in the breakroom today with a bunch of other co-workers and we were discussing who the Texans may pick, if they indeed get the number 1 pick in the draft.

One guys says they should go with Reggie Bush and only Reggie Bush.

I say they should go with an offensive lineman and there is some mock drafts showing the D'brickshaw what's his name being taken 1st overall.

Now some were saying that they would NEVER take an Offensive Lineman with the 1st pick overall and that it had probably never been done before.

Now my question is, would you take a Larry Allen/Orlando Pace/Anthony Munoz type lineman (if your scouts and hunch told you he had that potential) with the number 1 pick overall?

I would.

 

[ddh33]

I think you try to work a trade down and still get your lineman. It's not like the team doesn't have holes or anything.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was in the breakroom today with a bunch of other co-workers and we were discussing who the Texans may pick, if they indeed get the number 1 pick in the draft.

One guys says they should go with Reggie Bush and only Reggie Bush.

I say they should go with an offensive lineman and there is some mock drafts showing the D'brickshaw what's his name being taken 1st overall.

Now some were saying that they would NEVER take an Offensive Lineman with the 1st pick overall and that it had probably never been done before.

Now my question is, would you take a Larry Allen/Orlando Pace/Anthony Munoz type lineman (if your scouts and hunch told you he had that potential) with the number 1 pick overall?

I would.

I would not use an overall #1 for a O-lineman, heck I would not use a top 10 for an O-lineman. I believe in what Gil Brandt once said "The 1st rd is where you take skill players" looking at the Cowboys history we have taken a O-lineman only once in the 1st rd. As for the Texans I do agree they need O-line help which is why if I were them I would look to trade out of the overall #1 and get some extra draft picks to address the O-line as well as some other areas on that team.

 

[DanTanna]

Dominick Davis is a slightly above average rb. Take Bush, trade Davis, Hollings and Wells for some OL. Keep Vernand Morency.
Oh, and make David Carr give some of his salary back then let him loose.

They will lose Andre Johnson if the OL and QB don't both improve.

 

[aikemirv]

You have to give the guy 20 million in up front money. While teams may do that for a proven OT, I don't think they would for a rookie, although IMO you have a better shot predicting success for an OT than a QB.

I think if they are taking an OT they will trade down, period. Somebody is going to give something up for either Lienart or Bush. If I were them I would try to trade down twice and still stay in the top 5. Financially a good move and they could easily pick up a few extra picks( which they really need) in the process.

 

[Hiero]

I think the texans would be crazy to spend all that money on Bush when they already have Davis who is pretty good. their real issue is OL. They will trade down a bit and take D'brickashaw imo.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I was in the breakroom today with a bunch of other co-workers and we were discussing who the Texans may pick, if they indeed get the number 1 pick in the draft.

One guys says they should go with Reggie Bush and only Reggie Bush.

I say they should go with an offensive lineman and there is some mock drafts showing the D'brickshaw what's his name being taken 1st overall.

Now some were saying that they would NEVER take an Offensive Lineman with the 1st pick overall and that it had probably never been done before.

Now my question is, would you take a Larry Allen/Orlando Pace/Anthony Munoz type lineman (if your scouts and hunch told you he had that potential) with the number 1 pick overall?



I would.

CrazyCowboy says Reggie Bush!

 

[AllLoyaltiesAside]

I was in the breakroom today with a bunch of other co-workers and we were discussing who the Texans may pick, if they indeed get the number 1 pick in the draft.

One guys says they should go with Reggie Bush and only Reggie Bush.

I say they should go with an offensive lineman and there is some mock drafts showing the D'brickshaw what's his name being taken 1st overall.

Now some were saying that they would NEVER take an Offensive Lineman with the 1st pick overall and that it had probably never been done before.

Now my question is, would you take a Larry Allen/Orlando Pace/Anthony Munoz type lineman (if your scouts and hunch told you he had that potential) with the number 1 pick overall?

I would.

LOL you remember "D'Brickashaw" but not "Ferguson" ... classic.

Watch out for this kid, his wingspan is enormous ... there's talk that he'll revolutionize the position. He's smart too, trust me I've studied w/ him (don't you hate when ppl drop names?)

 

[Ashwynn]

For Houston to take Bush would be stupid unless they have a really healthy budget to blow this offseason. Without an Oline, Texas with Bush will be the Texas of this year. He cant do it all. Hes gotta have some help.

If you can find a Erik Williams, Larry Allen or whatshisname Munoz from a decade ago, you grab himwith the first round pick every time. Anytime you can plug a guy in at RT or LT or Center and not have to worry bout that position for 10 years, you do it.

I think Houston takes Ferguson with the #1 pick myself, if they dont and dont trade, they are stupid. Taking Bush, unless your gunna trade him for stuff, would be silly in Houstons present condition. Without a huge influx in talent at O line no RB, WR or QB gunna help houston. For proof, look at our Oline. When they suck, we suck as a team, when they perform well, we can win any game we are in, we may not win em all, but we are in the ball game the whole 60 minutes.

 

[conner01]

if i'm the texans i trade the top pick for a ton of picks.find you a ditka and make a deal.they neede so much that bush is not the answer. but i suspect unless someone offers a ditka deal they will take him to sell tickets. he won't make them better except on returns but he will sell tickets

 

[Maikeru-sama]

2 overall - Robert Gallery - 2004
1 overall - Orlando Pace - 1997
2 overall - Leonard Davis - 2001
2 overall - Tony Boselli - 1995
2 overall - Tony Mandarich - 1989
2 overall - Bill Fralic - 1985
2 overall - Dean Steinkuhler - 1984
2 overall- George Kunz - 1969
1 overall - Ron Yary - 1968

http://www.theredzone.org/draft_history/showround.asp?Round=1

There were a lot of them drafted Number 3 overall, just didn’t feel like typing them out.

I also know the Cowboys gave up a First Round Pick, a Second Round Pick and 2-Fifth Round Picks for Ralph Neely, and of course the data above doesn’t even count those type of trades.

You need a offensive lineman…history shows that you take one at any spot, even number 1.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I dont know about Ferguson, I would just have to listen to my Scouting Department and some college coaches and scouts.

Im just saying in general, would you take a OL first overall?

This year, Bush seems to be something special so that Number 1 pick is highly valued.

I dont take Bush if I am the Texans, I either take an OT, if there is one people think is special or trade down.

No way I take Reggie Bush. You can always get a Back, but franchise LTs maybe a little harder to come by.

 

[Doomsday101]

2 overall - Robert Gallery - 2004
1 overall - Orlando Pace - 1997
2 overall - Leonard Davis - 2001
2 overall - Tony Boselli - 1995
2 overall - Tony Mandarich - 1989
2 overall - Bill Fralic - 1985
2 overall - Dean Steinkuhler - 1984
2 overall- George Kunz - 1969
1 overall - Ron Yary - 1968

http://www.theredzone.org/draft_history/showround.asp?Round=1

There were a lot of them drafted Number 3 overall, just didn’t feel like typing them out.

I also know the Cowboys gave up a First Round Pick, a Second Round Pick and 2-Fifth Round Picks for Ralph Neely, and of course the data above doesn’t even count those type of trades.

You need a offensive lineman…history shows that you take one at any spot, even number 1.

No doubt but it is harder to find top skill players and if you don't take them in round 1 it becomes much harder to find them later in the draft. It is a bit easier to find OL later in the draft. Our SB line in the 90's none were 1st rd picks

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No doubt but it is harder to find top skill players and if you don't take them in round 1 it becomes much harder to find them later in the draft. It is a bit easier to find OL later in the draft. Our SB line in the 90's none were 1st rd picks

True.

Easier to evaluate and like you said, they are gone fast if you dont take them, with regards to skill players I mean.

 

[Doomsday101]

True.

Easier to evaluate and like you said, they are gone fast if you dont take them, with regards to skill players I mean.

Guys like Bush don't come around to often and they clearly do not last past the top 5 selection in a draft. For OL you will still find very good quality late in the 1st rd and into the 2nd

 

[Hostile]

I'd trade down a few spots, stockpile some picks and take D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the 1st. Someone will be greedy for Bush or Leinart. Capitalize on greed.

 

[sacase]

Houston Should trade no doubt. They don't need Bush and they don't need a QB. The only reason Carr sucks so bad is because the O line can' t block a kindergardner. Trade Bush or trade the pick to the team that offers the most in return If you can get a 3rd or 4th selection and still get your onlineman, then do it. This is the Reggie bush sweepstakes.....what are you willing to give up to get him and Houston is holding the winning ticket. Onlien is the only priority for houston....

 

[Doomsday101]

Houston Should trade no doubt. They don't need Bush and they don't need a QB. The only reason Carr sucks so bad is because the O line can' t block a kindergardner. Trade Bush or trade the pick to the team that offers the most in return If you can get a 3rd or 4th selection and still get your onlineman, then do it. This is the Reggie bush sweepstakes.....what are you willing to give up to get him and Houston is holding the winning ticket. Onlien is the only priority for houston....

Unless they blow it and beat the 9ers. LOL

 

[kingwhicker]

I'd trade that thing for all the gold in fort knox.

 

[sacase]

Well Davis is gone for the game and the second string RB is hurt also, so they hav eno running game, they have no passing game since they can't block....I can't see them loosing unless SF just stands around and watches them score.

hmmm interesting......What would the NFL say if you purposly tanked the game to ge tthe first pick of the draft....lol