We Are Not Using Turpin Enough!

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And I started this thread 15 min before kickoff, but I’m glad they appear to start using him more.
Obviously he is a playmaker and a threat.

I’ve gotta be a little parent-like though and say that they may want to sort of limit his overall snaps so he doesn’t get clobbered due to size.

He does seem to know how to not take big hits though.
 

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On offense, we have one playmaker CD Lamb while our other playmaker rides the pine 90% of the time. What are they thinking to keep Turpin on the bench while our offense struggles so much this season? I will say Turpin is a decent receiver but not a great one, but if the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, Ravens, etc had Turpin they would find a way to have him heavily involved in the offense. Turpin's long runs have clocked his elite speed better than S. Barkley so it makes no sense to keep him off the field.

Below are some no brainer ideas.
  1. Throw the bomb to Turpin at least twice a game
  2. Have Turpin run long patterns to stretch the defense which will open up some short and med routes
  3. Jet sweep & fake jet sweep to Turpin multiple times per game
  4. Have Turpin in at running back for special packages (could put Turpin AND Trey Lance in the same package
And our offensive line might not be good enough to protect for longer passing routes so keep a TE or an extra TE in the game for some of those plays. It's frustrating to watch one of the NFL's most electric playmakers relegated to the bench to watch our underachieving offense sputter. Geez.

In the pass game, It's not as easy as you may think.

Turpin works at his best when he can be untouched, un-press, not jammed at the line, ... he has to be untouched and have a free
release off the line to get downfield.

If there's a CB jamming and pressing him - he just won't be able battle-ball contest that defender. He's not Tyrek Hill in that manner.

A coach has to scheme him open,, scheme him into an off-line release , get him bunched formations or rub routes to get him in space.
 

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In the pass game, It's not as easy as you may think.

Turpin works at his best when he can be untouched, un-press, not jammed at the line, ... he has to be untouched and have a free
release off the line to get downfield.

If there's a CB jamming and pressing him - he just won't be able battle-ball contest that defender. He's not Tyrek Hill in that manner.

A coach has to scheme him open,, scheme him into an off-line release , get him bunched formations or rub routes to get him in space.
I get all that but my point was we have a player with huge playmaking abilities that has been rarely involved in our offense (although this past game he was involved some) and it simply reveals we are wasting Turpin's talents by not creating more plays for him. Send him in motion, do a jet sweep, a fake jet sweep, use him in the slot, etc.
 

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I completely agree. I'm pretty sure Kellen, Moore would have this guy all over the place.
 

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I get all that but my point was we have a player with huge playmaking abilities that has been rarely involved in our offense (although this past game he was involved some) and it simply reveals we are wasting Turpin's talents by not creating more plays for him. Send him in motion, do a jet sweep, a fake jet sweep, use him in the slot, etc.
The issue is the jet sweeps, swing passes, etc really havent worked out for the most part with Turpin. They force fed him earlier in the year and it didnt work out. The thing Turpin really needs to do is establish himself as a legitimate threat at WR or else it's just too easy to key on him for the gadget plays.

To his credit Turpin has been doing a better job of that in recent weeks, but as the previous poster mentioned he still is really only getting those chunk yards when he goes untouched and typically in the middle of the field. He needs to be able to more on the field, especially outside the hash marks. If he does it all of a sudden opens up other opportunities for him. If not then we are probably looking at his ceiling right now.
 

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On offense, we have one playmaker CD Lamb while our other playmaker rides the pine 90% of the time. What are they thinking to keep Turpin on the bench while our offense struggles so much this season? I will say Turpin is a decent receiver but not a great one, but if the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, Ravens, etc had Turpin they would find a way to have him heavily involved in the offense. Turpin's long runs have clocked his elite speed better than S. Barkley so it makes no sense to keep him off the field.

Below are some no brainer ideas.
  1. Throw the bomb to Turpin at least twice a game
  2. Have Turpin run long patterns to stretch the defense which will open up some short and med routes
  3. Jet sweep & fake jet sweep to Turpin multiple times per game
  4. Have Turpin in at running back for special packages (could put Turpin AND Trey Lance in the same package
And our offensive line might not be good enough to protect for longer passing routes so keep a TE or an extra TE in the game for some of those plays. It's frustrating to watch one of the NFL's most electric playmakers relegated to the bench to watch our underachieving offense sputter. Geez.
:popcorn::hammer:
 

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On offense, we have one playmaker CD Lamb while our other playmaker rides the pine 90% of the time. What are they thinking to keep Turpin on the bench while our offense struggles so much this season? I will say Turpin is a decent receiver but not a great one, but if the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, Ravens, etc had Turpin they would find a way to have him heavily involved in the offense. Turpin's long runs have clocked his elite speed better than S. Barkley so it makes no sense to keep him off the field.

Below are some no brainer ideas.
  1. Throw the bomb to Turpin at least twice a game
  2. Have Turpin run long patterns to stretch the defense which will open up some short and med routes
  3. Jet sweep & fake jet sweep to Turpin multiple times per game
  4. Have Turpin in at running back for special packages (could put Turpin AND Trey Lance in the same package
And our offensive line might not be good enough to protect for longer passing routes so keep a TE or an extra TE in the game for some of those plays. It's frustrating to watch one of the NFL's most electric playmakers relegated to the bench to watch our underachieving offense sputter. Geez.
Show the world what you know this is a systemic problem absolutely Mike McCarthy last year didn't use Rico and Tony right he didn't use Turpin right he didn't use hunter right this year same thing it took him until a couple weeks ago to realize Rico is the number one back here we saw it in Pittsburgh if he would have utilized these players correctly we probably wouldn't have got zeke back this year because Jerry thought we had a problem in short yardage and thought we needed help in the run game and he didn't draft a guy he brings in zeke because I bet if hunter was utilized properly still this year and they all it's perplexing to figure out how come a bunch of fans can see these players need more snaps and need to be utilized properly in situational football roles and they're being used backwards or being used wrong and yet here we are I was making some excuses for Mike McCarthy as if I would be OK with him coming back but if he would've got fired I fully understood it and now I see it's a monumental mistake to have brought this dude back not 'cause he's on a one year deal 'cause he's a bad offensive coordinator he's not creative he doesn't outside the box any pigeon holes players and he ices his own players in games they get hot the next week they sit or the next series they sit these guys once they find a weakness in the defense you're supposed to exploit it until they stop it and this guy doesn't know how to feed his players he forces everything to lamb and everything else is just blah
 

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I think it’s safe to say Andy Reid and Ben Johnson can find targets for Turpin .
How so? Reid has Xavier worthy and Johnson has Jameson Williams. Both first round receivers and they have 44 and 42 touches this year. Turpin the UDFA has 31 touches. We are talking 1 touch or less per game.

It’s a lot harder than it sounds to just feed the fast guy the football.
 

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How so? Reid has Xavier worthy and Johnson has Jameson Williams. Both first round receivers and they have 44 and 42 touches this year. Turpin the UDFA has 31 touches. We are talking 1 touch or less per game.

It’s a lot harder than it sounds to just feed the fast guy the football.

Create routes take advantage of the players speed. 44 and 42 is more receptions then Turpin has but I’ll concede the QB play in KC & Det is a bit different then Dallas . If your happy with this offense in Dallas then I guess you want a 6th yr of MM ?
 

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Create routes take advantage of the players speed. 44 and 42 is more receptions then Turpin has but I’ll concede the QB play in KC & Det is a bit different then Dallas . If your happy with this offense in Dallas then I guess you want a 6th yr of MM ?
I honestly wouldn't mind if they did bring MM back for another year. I doubt it happens, but I think the biggest issue with the Cowboys offense is the personnel. I just dont know what routes you go to in order to get Turpin additional catches. He doesnt run a full route tree, and his lack of size can problematic for the deep balls. Turpin has done a nice job running inside routes when the middle of the field is open, but doesnt seem to have a quality secondary offering to play off his strengths. It's like a pitcher in baseball who has one quality pitch and not a lot of secondary pitches. If you can set it up properly that hitter isnt sure whats coming they can get a strike out, but its tougher to get the pitcher to get in that situation.

If the Cowboys can get a consistent running game going (which they have done recently when Turpin has started to get some additional looks) or if they can find a reliable #2 receiver this offseason it could open up a ton for Turpin. The issue right now is that teams have mostly bracketed Lamb and been able to play the rest of the offense pretty much straight up. If they have another threat you can start to manufacture some of those looks for your more one dimensional guys like Turpin and exploit matchups. When you're short handed on skill players it becomes incredibly more difficult to scheme the speedy guys open though. I think KC has a similar issue this season with their top WR being out and Kelce slowing down. They have an elite speed talent in Worthy but have struggled to get him involved despite having an elite QB throwing to him.
 

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On offense, we have one playmaker CD Lamb while our other playmaker rides the pine 90% of the time. What are they thinking to keep Turpin on the bench while our offense struggles so much this season? I will say Turpin is a decent receiver but not a great one, but if the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, Ravens, etc had Turpin they would find a way to have him heavily involved in the offense. Turpin's long runs have clocked his elite speed better than S. Barkley so it makes no sense to keep him off the field.

Below are some no brainer ideas.
  1. Throw the bomb to Turpin at least twice a game
  2. Have Turpin run long patterns to stretch the defense which will open up some short and med routes
  3. Jet sweep & fake jet sweep to Turpin multiple times per game
  4. Have Turpin in at running back for special packages (could put Turpin AND Trey Lance in the same package
And our offensive line might not be good enough to protect for longer passing routes so keep a TE or an extra TE in the game for some of those plays. It's frustrating to watch one of the NFL's most electric playmakers relegated to the bench to watch our underachieving offense sputter. Geez.
I think he needs to run crossers where Rush can hit him on the move. The problem with bombs or long patterns is Rush doesn't have the arm for it and Turpin isn't going to win jump balls. Hit him on the move and let him run.
 

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MM back with this happening . Get an OC to call plays and revamp the coaching staff . WR & OL come to mind specifically . I guess with a Defensive heavy draft with more talent Zimmer wouldn’t be the end of the world .
 

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I'm not convinced he's a great down the field pass catcher... but he's a great short pass, run after the catch guy.

I think I'd throw him a handful of WR Screens a game from various formations.
Maybe go 5 wide, empty backfield and try to get him 1 on 1 alone on one side of the field. Possibly snap the ball and throw to him immediately.
Maybe go Wildcat formation... The wildcat gives the runner a good look at the defense before the snap, allowing him to choose the best running lane. It also allows for ten offensive players to block, unlike in a conventional running play, in which the quarterback is usually not involved after delivering the ball to a running back. That leaves Turpin 1 on 1 with somebody, and there may not be a more dangerous 1 on 1 guy in the league.
Line him up at RB when they play man defense, send most routes deep and give him the dump off pass in space.

I feel like giving him 10 touches a game he could break a big gain or two. Try and get him punt return like looks where he has a little space to work with.
 

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On offense, we have one playmaker CD Lamb while our other playmaker rides the pine 90% of the time. What are they thinking to keep Turpin on the bench while our offense struggles so much this season? I will say Turpin is a decent receiver but not a great one, but if the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, Ravens, etc had Turpin they would find a way to have him heavily involved in the offense. Turpin's long runs have clocked his elite speed better than S. Barkley so it makes no sense to keep him off the field.

Below are some no brainer ideas.
  1. Throw the bomb to Turpin at least twice a game
  2. Have Turpin run long patterns to stretch the defense which will open up some short and med routes
  3. Jet sweep & fake jet sweep to Turpin multiple times per game
  4. Have Turpin in at running back for special packages (could put Turpin AND Trey Lance in the same package
And our offensive line might not be good enough to protect for longer passing routes so keep a TE or an extra TE in the game for some of those plays. It's frustrating to watch one of the NFL's most electric playmakers relegated to the bench to watch our underachieving offense sputter. Geez.
Just get him back healthy for next year.
 

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He’s getting more and more opportunities but he’s not going to be our number one target and we can’t have him run the ball several times a game. His size is always give him some limitations.
And you can’t use him too much or you take away his return ability. He’s the best return guy in the nfl. I would use him a few routes, maybe some as a decoy to make it harder to double lamb but can’t have him running 10 go routes a game plus returns
 

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Obviously he is a playmaker and a threat.

I’ve gotta be a little parent-like though and say that they may want to sort of limit his overall snaps so he doesn’t get clobbered due to size.

He does seem to know how to not take big hits though.
He’s a playmaker more than a deep threat. You can use him in the short passing game because his strength is just running the ball. But you also don’t want to take away his returns since he’s the best in the league. Got to balance getting the ball in his hands a few times a game and keeping him fresh for the return game
 

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For that matter a swing pass to Leupke several times a game or a drawer . Get him off of witness protection
 

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They appear to be increasing his workload. Turpin had some issues holding onto the ball through contact earlier in the season.
 
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