We can do what Philly did - Keep the Faith

I have said this many mini times before it’s not our GM. It’s not our owner. It’s not our front office. It’s not our coaches. It is our players. They do not understand what it is to put on that Dallas cowboy uniform. They don’t understand the tradition the history they don’t understand any of that. It’s either that or they just don’t care and all they want is money the owner the GM the front office, the coaches they cannot get out on the field and play the game for those guys. All they can do is give them the contracts that they want give them the place give them the knowledge The offensive scheme the defensive scheme. They are getting all the answers, but them fools go out there and still get it wrong.
And this is facilitated by the culture Jerry has created. They're treated like stars the second they're drafted. Do other teams make such a debacle out of it, picking up their players in a two million dollar bus? The players come and go.
 
No I am not wrong, we don’t have bad players, I never said that, so rereading the post should help you.
I am pretty sure that there was a time you thought he was the best owner and GM , . But since you don’t know how football works the bottom line is it still comes down to the players. You can blame the culture on Jerry all you want but if those guys really want to win they can do y

So we DO have good players, and the best GM and owner in football.

And the only reason we haven't won anything this CENTURY....is because the players, hundreds and hundreds of different players this century, many of whom had success elsewhere, "just didn't want to win"?
 
So we DO have good players, and the best GM and owner in football.

And the only reason we haven't won anything this CENTURY....is because the players, hundreds and hundreds of different players this century, many of whom had success elsewhere, "just didn't want to win"?
Wait....never-ending.

I now see in another thread that you're "ready to go to battle with both Mazi and Guyton" and that you'd be optimistic about this upcoming season with the exact same situation as last year

Have a great day Stephen!
 
Offhand, I'd say that's mostly done by those who clamor for WRs and Cbs.

DT is just so hard to evaluate. IMO, there's around 5 or 6 worthy of a 1st round, but manalive, it's just so easy to be wrong.
Yep it’s a tough spot. I get why they don’t value the position because it’s subject to rotation so they don’t want to spend big or use top draft picks. That’s why the Mazi/Osa combo, which we already know isn’t enough, is all we are getting.

Thing is, when you tune into games in mid to late January they are won by teams that create pressure from the interior line, so you’ve gotta both have the balls to acquire these players and also get it right.

Jerry and his kid can hope that Prescott is going to lead them to a championship with his arm, and their beloved corners are gonna cover all day with a meh pass rush, but….yeah.
 
Dallas is good enough with the worst front office to win 10-12 games every year

If Jerry stepped aside and let others (not Stephen) do NFL caliber work then we’d probably be a dynasty
Very well put and kind of mind boggling.

Makes you scratch your head on how they stay relative during the season, only to have everyones hopes washed away in the playoffs or missing the playoffs all together...
 
The eagles team is built by professionals in a professional way using proven methods.

Our team is built by an old gambler who loves to take chances go against the grain employ the most unorthodox methods.
And generally just play with his toy in a way where he gets full credit for anything that is positive.

That said our new coach wants to build from the outside in and again until we can run the ball and stop the run we will continue to go nowhere
 
The greatest contributor to the Eagles success was good health.

When your five starting O-lineman miss a combined 8 games then you're team has been truly blessed.

We all know Barkley. I mean, c'mon, how many here expected him to be healthy all season long for only the third time in 7 years?

Did their starting QB go down for half a season?

And yes, it really helps when your QB only has to throw an average of 24 passes a game.

The Cowboys lost their top 4 DE's for some time after the fourth game. I would have loved to see the defense with Kneeland, Williams, Parsons and Lawrence in a good rotation.

I was really looking forward to our two All-Pro CBs taking advantage of an excellent pass rush to continue their defensive playmaking ability. They shared the same field once

The Eagles outside CBs missed a combined two starts.

That's not to say that the Eagles didn't take steps to be competitive, that definitely contributed. They made some excellent decisions while our amateur GM brought back the RB that wasn't good enough the previous season.

However, I don't believe the gap in talent and potential is really that wide at all. With a good draft and better luck with injuries, the Cowboys will compete alongside the other three division opponents.
 
The greatest contributor to the Eagles success was good health.

When your five starting O-lineman miss a combined 8 games then you're team has been truly blessed.

We all know Barkley. I mean, c'mon, how many here expected him to be healthy all season long for only the third time in 7 years?

Did their starting QB go down for half a season?

And yes, it really helps when your QB only has to throw an average of 24 passes a game.

The Cowboys lost their top 4 DE's for some time after the fourth game. I would have loved to see the defense with Kneeland, Williams, Parsons and Lawrence in a good rotation.

I was really looking forward to our two All-Pro CBs taking advantage of an excellent pass rush to continue their defensive playmaking ability. They shared the same field once

The Eagles outside CBs missed a combined two starts.

That's not to say that the Eagles didn't take steps to be competitive, that definitely contributed. They made some excellent decisions while our amateur GM brought back the RB that wasn't good enough the previous season.

However, I don't believe the gap in talent and potential is really that wide at all. With a good draft and better luck with injuries, the Cowboys will compete alongside the other three division opponents.
The Dallas Cowboys will finish in 3rd or 4th place. All 32 teams have an equal chance at “a good draft and better luck with injuries”. That is not a viable strategy. It’s hope. Every fanbase has plenty of hope this time of year. It’s pretty much all Jerry Jones can provide. The Cowboys are not very good. It’s that simple.
 
The Dallas Cowboys will finish in 3rd or 4th place. All 32 teams have an equal chance at “a good draft and better luck with injuries”. That is not a viable strategy. It’s hope. Every fanbase has plenty of hope this time of year. It’s pretty much all Jerry Jones can provide. The Cowboys are not very good. It’s that simple.
So let's suppose that the Eagles lose A.J. Brown, Jalen Hurts, Darius Slay and Quinyon Mitchel for half a season while also losing Josh Sweat and Nolan Smith for almost the entire season.

Do the Eagles still go 14-3? Do they still win the Super Bowl with Tanner McKee or Kenny Pickett as their QB in the 2nd half of the season?

Does Barkley have that type of season without his QB being a legitimate running threat that has to be respected and without his best blocking guard?

The Cowboys didn't go from three consecutive 12-5 seasons to 7-10 because they suddenly weren't very good.
 
Since Nick Sirianni (a.k.a. ****** Face) became head coach of the Eagles, he has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning one in his 4th year. His team has been in the playoffs every year. Yes, the coach we say is a joke, the coach we--me included--like to make fun of, has a 48-20 record, a .706 win%. How?

Let's take a look at the 2024 Eagles starting Super Bowl roster, a few key depth pieces, and see if we can find any similarity to our current roster. Listed for each player is draft position if drafted by the team.

Jalen Hurts—rd 2 (53)

Devonta Smith—rd 1 (10)

Dallas Goedart—rd 2 (49)

Jalen Carter—rd 1 (9)

Jordan Davis—rd 1 (13)

Josh Sweat—rd 4 (130)

Jordan Mailata—rd 7 (233)

Cam Jurgens—rd 2 (51)

Landon Dickerson—rd 2 (37)

Lane Johnson—rd 1 (4)

Nolan Smith—rd 1 (30)

Nakobe Dean—rd 3 (83)

Milton Williams—rd 3 (73)

Cooper Dejean—rd 2 (40) Rookie

Quinyon Mitchell—rd 1 (22) Rookie

Reed Blankenship—UDFA

Mehki Becton—FA bust

Zack Baun—FA never given a chance

AJ Brown—Trade

Saquan Barkley—FA

Darius Slay—FA

CJGJ—FA



Depth pieces that contributed:

Brandon Graham—rd 1 (13)

Moro Ojomo—rd 7 (249)

Jalyx Hunt—rd 3 (94) Rookie

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.—rd 5 (155) Rookie

Kenneth Gainwell—rd 5 (155)

Now before anyone points this out, yes, there is one constant here. Other than Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham, both Andy Reid picks, the entire team was assembled by Howie Roseman. So let's get this out of the way now: Howie Roseman is great at his job, despite some posters here saying that he is just average, gets lucky, and is in fact no better than any other GM. I'm sorry for saying this, but anyone at this point that still believes this is simply a fool.

Roster analysis shows a few interesting points. One is that Roseman knows when to trade back and get extra picks. He is not afraid to double down on certain positions, i.e. DT, or take the BPA despite already having quality at that position--something a few posters here would gag at. What he can't get in the draft, he gets through trades (Titans can go to hell for AJ Brown) or by pulling the trigger on FA signings big and small. He does what he can to plug every hole on the team with quality or players that he believes his coaches can coach up (Becton, Baun). Owner Jeff Lurie generally doesn't meddle with the draft, but it is interesting to note that Lurie pushed to draft Jalen Hurts because he believed he could be the next Russell Wilson (prime Russ, of course). The coaching staff also gives lower round picks a real chance if they see potential. When was the last time we had a Super Bowl winning team with two 7th round picks being major contributors besides the Chiefs?

I was bored and went back to see what we were saying about the Eagles before the season started. No one here thought the Eagles would win the Super Bowl, although many believed they would win the NFCE. Here are some other opinions by some posters, many of whom I like on this forum:

--Barkley is washed and that contract will kill them
--Steele will be better than Lane Johnson (I'm not outing this guy)
--Sirianni is an (insert insult here) and will soon be out of the league
--Roseman is fool's gold
--The loss of Kelce begins the decline of the Eagles
--Jalen Hurts sucks and his contract is almost as bad as Dak's
--Jalen Hurts is on his 7th OC in a row and will suck (the OC part is true, going back to college!)
--Darius Slay is old and can't play anymore
--They have no linebackers
--Nakobe Dean is a bust
--Nolan Smith is a bust
--Jordan Davis is a bust

On the flip side, there were more than a few posters saying the opposite, that those players are learning and the Eagles will always be a good team because they build from the trenches out. Many of us say this today, me included, as I am a huge advocate of inside/outside team building.

So what does any of this have to do with our own team? Let's look at our roster.

There is a lot of angst over our offensive line, with many opinions being tossed out daily. Do we have the talent the Eagles or Lions line does? No, of course not. But we have talent that can be put to use with proper coaching. We don't have a long-time vet like Johnson as a stable force, but Tyler Smith has emerged as our top notch vet talent. He is one of the best in the league at his position, and is a piece to build around. We see Beebe can be a PB caliber player once he develops. Will he be Creed Humphrey, Frank Ragnow, or Cam Jurgens? I don't know, but I see him reaching into the top five in two years. Let's not forget that Jurgens was thrown into the fire day one as a guard, playing next to and learning from Kelce for two years. Beebe didn't have that advantage but shows great promise.

Bottom line: Smith and Beebe will be the foundation of a very good line for us. We have raw talent to develop and still have the draft. Get tackle figured out and we will be fine. If the BPA is a tackle, don't say "Hey, we drafted one last year." No!!!! Take the player. How do you think teams like Philly, Detroit, and Baltimore got to have such good o-lines?? We can do the same.

Defensive line is a bit different. We have a lot of players to rotate in and out. How many DT's do we have that are real difference makers? Zero. Nada. If the BPA up is a DT, I don't care if we need a RB, WR, or edge. Fix the damn middle of the d-line! Yeah, there is no Jalen Carter to trade up for, but the DT rotation that won the last Super Bowl had two 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th! It doesn't matter how many shiny pieces you have on the outside if the middle of the trenches keep getting curb stomped against good teams.

Bottom line: It will take 2-3 years to get this team into anything resembling a team that has a chance to get to the NFCCG. It cannot be done without making sure both of our lines can compete with the best teams out there. If we have to spend half of the next two drafts on the lines, do it. If we have to double down on line positions, do it. It has to be done right or nothing else matters. Simply put, the majority of the teams that go deep in the playoffs have at least solid lines. We should too. It is no accident that the team that most resembles the 1992 Cowboys is the 2024 Eagles.

Now, do you trust our front office to do what is necessary? Do you believe in our coaching to get it done with the players we have?

I have a lot to say about other parts of the team, team building and coaching, but I have already written too much. I'll leave the super long posts to our resident novelist.
good post man, but most here wont read it, as it is way too long ! lol
Also your dreaming if u think the cowboys can even come close to what eagles have done
with the roster.
Dallas does not use FA wisely and wont even go for any expensive ones. If they did,
they would not be any good, roy williams types lol.

They dont know how to build a team, they just add cheap or shiny pieces, with no real plan.
 
Its been 30 years! If you're in here during the offseason, believe me, y'all have faith.
 
The greatest contributor to the Eagles success was good health.

When your five starting O-lineman miss a combined 8 games then you're team has been truly blessed.

We all know Barkley. I mean, c'mon, how many here expected him to be healthy all season long for only the third time in 7 years?

Did their starting QB go down for half a season?

And yes, it really helps when your QB only has to throw an average of 24 passes a game.

The Cowboys lost their top 4 DE's for some time after the fourth game. I would have loved to see the defense with Kneeland, Williams, Parsons and Lawrence in a good rotation.

I was really looking forward to our two All-Pro CBs taking advantage of an excellent pass rush to continue their defensive playmaking ability. They shared the same field once

The Eagles outside CBs missed a combined two starts.

That's not to say that the Eagles didn't take steps to be competitive, that definitely contributed. They made some excellent decisions while our amateur GM brought back the RB that wasn't good enough the previous season.

However, I don't believe the gap in talent and potential is really that wide at all. With a good draft and better luck with injuries, the Cowboys will compete alongside the other three division opponents.
Eagles had a lot of injuries but they were mostly early in the year. I was given a free ticket to Eagles-Bucs in Tampa. Only a two hour drive for me. Eagles had nine starters out and suffered their only bad loss of the season. Three key players played through bad injuries in the SB.
 
So let's suppose that the Eagles lose A.J. Brown, Jalen Hurts, Darius Slay and Quinyon Mitchel for half a season while also losing Josh Sweat and Nolan Smith for almost the entire season.

Do the Eagles still go 14-3? Do they still win the Super Bowl with Tanner McKee or Kenny Pickett as their QB in the 2nd half of the season?

Does Barkley have that type of season without his QB being a legitimate running threat that has to be respected and without his best blocking guard?

The Cowboys didn't go from three consecutive 12-5 seasons to 7-10 because they suddenly weren't very good.
The 2024 Eagles and 2023 Cowboys have nothing to do with the 2025 Cowboys.
 
And this is facilitated by the culture Jerry has created. They're treated like stars the second they're drafted. Do other teams make such a debacle out of it, picking up their players in a two million dollar bus? The players come and go.
Well ya know….it’s about football in most other places, not strippers in a cage.
 
Since Nick Sirianni (a.k.a. ****** Face) became head coach of the Eagles, he has been to the Super Bowl twice, winning one in his 4th year. His team has been in the playoffs every year. Yes, the coach we say is a joke, the coach we--me included--like to make fun of, has a 48-20 record, a .706 win%. How?

Let's take a look at the 2024 Eagles starting Super Bowl roster, a few key depth pieces, and see if we can find any similarity to our current roster. Listed for each player is draft position if drafted by the team.

Jalen Hurts—rd 2 (53)

Devonta Smith—rd 1 (10)

Dallas Goedart—rd 2 (49)

Jalen Carter—rd 1 (9)

Jordan Davis—rd 1 (13)

Josh Sweat—rd 4 (130)

Jordan Mailata—rd 7 (233)

Cam Jurgens—rd 2 (51)

Landon Dickerson—rd 2 (37)

Lane Johnson—rd 1 (4)

Nolan Smith—rd 1 (30)

Nakobe Dean—rd 3 (83)

Milton Williams—rd 3 (73)

Cooper Dejean—rd 2 (40) Rookie

Quinyon Mitchell—rd 1 (22) Rookie

Reed Blankenship—UDFA

Mehki Becton—FA bust

Zack Baun—FA never given a chance

AJ Brown—Trade

Saquan Barkley—FA

Darius Slay—FA

CJGJ—FA



Depth pieces that contributed:

Brandon Graham—rd 1 (13)

Moro Ojomo—rd 7 (249)

Jalyx Hunt—rd 3 (94) Rookie

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.—rd 5 (155) Rookie

Kenneth Gainwell—rd 5 (155)

Now before anyone points this out, yes, there is one constant here. Other than Lane Johnson and Brandon Graham, both Andy Reid picks, the entire team was assembled by Howie Roseman. So let's get this out of the way now: Howie Roseman is great at his job, despite some posters here saying that he is just average, gets lucky, and is in fact no better than any other GM. I'm sorry for saying this, but anyone at this point that still believes this is simply a fool.

Roster analysis shows a few interesting points. One is that Roseman knows when to trade back and get extra picks. He is not afraid to double down on certain positions, i.e. DT, or take the BPA despite already having quality at that position--something a few posters here would gag at. What he can't get in the draft, he gets through trades (Titans can go to hell for AJ Brown) or by pulling the trigger on FA signings big and small. He does what he can to plug every hole on the team with quality or players that he believes his coaches can coach up (Becton, Baun). Owner Jeff Lurie generally doesn't meddle with the draft, but it is interesting to note that Lurie pushed to draft Jalen Hurts because he believed he could be the next Russell Wilson (prime Russ, of course). The coaching staff also gives lower round picks a real chance if they see potential. When was the last time we had a Super Bowl winning team with two 7th round picks being major contributors besides the Chiefs?

I was bored and went back to see what we were saying about the Eagles before the season started. No one here thought the Eagles would win the Super Bowl, although many believed they would win the NFCE. Here are some other opinions by some posters, many of whom I like on this forum:

--Barkley is washed and that contract will kill them
--Steele will be better than Lane Johnson (I'm not outing this guy)
--Sirianni is an (insert insult here) and will soon be out of the league
--Roseman is fool's gold
--The loss of Kelce begins the decline of the Eagles
--Jalen Hurts sucks and his contract is almost as bad as Dak's
--Jalen Hurts is on his 7th OC in a row and will suck (the OC part is true, going back to college!)
--Darius Slay is old and can't play anymore
--They have no linebackers
--Nakobe Dean is a bust
--Nolan Smith is a bust
--Jordan Davis is a bust

On the flip side, there were more than a few posters saying the opposite, that those players are learning and the Eagles will always be a good team because they build from the trenches out. Many of us say this today, me included, as I am a huge advocate of inside/outside team building.

So what does any of this have to do with our own team? Let's look at our roster.

There is a lot of angst over our offensive line, with many opinions being tossed out daily. Do we have the talent the Eagles or Lions line does? No, of course not. But we have talent that can be put to use with proper coaching. We don't have a long-time vet like Johnson as a stable force, but Tyler Smith has emerged as our top notch vet talent. He is one of the best in the league at his position, and is a piece to build around. We see Beebe can be a PB caliber player once he develops. Will he be Creed Humphrey, Frank Ragnow, or Cam Jurgens? I don't know, but I see him reaching into the top five in two years. Let's not forget that Jurgens was thrown into the fire day one as a guard, playing next to and learning from Kelce for two years. Beebe didn't have that advantage but shows great promise.

Bottom line: Smith and Beebe will be the foundation of a very good line for us. We have raw talent to develop and still have the draft. Get tackle figured out and we will be fine. If the BPA is a tackle, don't say "Hey, we drafted one last year." No!!!! Take the player. How do you think teams like Philly, Detroit, and Baltimore got to have such good o-lines?? We can do the same.

Defensive line is a bit different. We have a lot of players to rotate in and out. How many DT's do we have that are real difference makers? Zero. Nada. If the BPA up is a DT, I don't care if we need a RB, WR, or edge. Fix the damn middle of the d-line! Yeah, there is no Jalen Carter to trade up for, but the DT rotation that won the last Super Bowl had two 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th! It doesn't matter how many shiny pieces you have on the outside if the middle of the trenches keep getting curb stomped against good teams.

Bottom line: It will take 2-3 years to get this team into anything resembling a team that has a chance to get to the NFCCG. It cannot be done without making sure both of our lines can compete with the best teams out there. If we have to spend half of the next two drafts on the lines, do it. If we have to double down on line positions, do it. It has to be done right or nothing else matters. Simply put, the majority of the teams that go deep in the playoffs have at least solid lines. We should too. It is no accident that the team that most resembles the 1992 Cowboys is the 2024 Eagles.

Now, do you trust our front office to do what is necessary? Do you believe in our coaching to get it done with the players we have?

I have a lot to say about other parts of the team, team building and coaching, but I have already written too much. I'll leave the super long posts to our resident novelist.
This team will go as far as Dak takes them. I don’t think that’s very far, but every year is a new season. That’s a fabulous analysis so I’m not knocking your work or any of your points, but I think Dak is the battleship anchor and chain around this team’s neck.
 
This team will go as far as Dak takes them. I don’t think that’s very far, but every year is a new season. That’s a fabulous analysis so I’m not knocking your work or any of your points, but I think Dak is the battleship anchor and chain around this team’s neck.
If Dak truly is the anchor holding us back, the best we can hope for is one and done in the playoffs until change happens.
 
So we DO have good players, and the best GM and owner in football.

And the only reason we haven't won anything this CENTURY....is because the players, hundreds and hundreds of different players this century, many of whom had success elsewhere, "just didn't want to win"?
Yeah, that's it.
 
I can remember the majority of Eagles fans going ballistic when Roseman took Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round of the 2020 draft.

They were already mutinous after the Cowboys took CeeDee Lamb in the 1st round. Roseman then took WR Jalen Reagor. The next pick the Vikings took Justin Jefferson and two picks after that the 49ers took Brandon Aiyuk.

So when Roseman took Hurts in the 2nd round, the Eagles fans were making plans to hunt Roseman down.

But think about it......

Without Hurts they might have been forced to keep Wentz and he was the wrong kind of QB for that team.

All GMs are fallible but the good ones can lessen the impact of mistakes by acting decisively and with conviction despite the surrounding criticism.

Such decisions in Cowboysland sit in committee for months before Jerry listens to every side of a debate. Jerry then makes a decision based on the flavor of the day. Decisions are acted upon with the speed of a slug crossing the stadium parking lot.

Management teams in any industry can move quicker, ahead of the herd, when the number of committee members is a very small group of 2 or 3.

Head Coaches that are also given the powers of GM can implement change lightning quick. Some great examples were Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, and Pete Carrol.
 
This really is not rocket science it basically always comes down to the things that Jerry refuses to go all in on.
The things Jerry doesn't put a value on is always what hurts us.

Coaching leads this list

Refusing to use a first round pick on a quarterback is a close second.

The defensive tackle position is third.

Then we have the things that Jerry does on a regular basis that continually bite Us in the behind.

Let's start out with his propensity to gamble our second round pick on injured players Head Case players and just all around problem guys with potential that nobody else wants to take a chance on.

We can follow that up with his lust to take tight ends that we don't need.

And I can't forget to mention that he gets fleeced on every trade it seems we ever make.

This circle jerk of nonsense goes on year in and year out and is why we are what we are.
 

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