We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[kevm3]

There was a point where cowboys fans compared themselves to the best of the league. Now fans are happy we are dolphinsesque.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

There was a point where cowboys fans compared themselves to the best of the league. Now fans are happy we are dolphinsesque.

I remember when the fans forced a change at QB when Danny White had us in 3 straight NFC Championship games. Now we are happy if we occasionally make the playoffs every couple of years. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[The Natural]

Gruden in 11 years: 5 division titles, 5 playoff wins, 2 conference championship appearances (tuck rule away from a 3rd), and 1 Superbowl win.

Garrett in 8 years: 2 division titles, 1 playoff win, 0 conference championship appearances.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

There are plenty of coaches in the NFL that have lost their jobs and rightfully so, despite a winning record.

 

[GenoT]

I remember when the fans forced a change at QB when Danny White had us in 3 straight NFC Championship games. Now we are happy if we occasionally make the playoffs every couple of years. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

The “fans forced a change”...??!?

Please elaborate.

 

[TexasMustang]

He took his team to the SB with the Raiders the year before Dungy..

And he didn’t have Romo saving him..

And Garrett only beat 12 teams his that ended the season over .500 wins, meaning Garrett’s wins are basically Romo coming back against bum teams after abandoning the weekly Garrett game plan of suckage that couldn’t beat even mediocre teams.

The only team Gruden took to the SB was Tampa Bay the year he beat his old team the Raider's.

I agree but ask Pete Carroll the same question with Marshawn Lynch in the Super Bowl. No matter the play call, the players have to make plays and Cole Beasley was wide open in the endzone on one of those plays and Dak never saw him - right over the middle.

That is very true, you could call the perfect game but if the player's don't execute it won't matter.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The “fans forced a change”...??!?

Please elaborate.

The outrage was so big that Landry replaced White with Hogeboom. Big mistake on his part. I was not one of those yelling for a change. I can imagine what the outcry would have been with the internet.

 

[BAT]

I don't want Garrett but I didn't want Gruden either......retreads that have been out of coaching for an extended length of time normally don't regain what they once had, especially not deserving of a 10/100M contract.

Players get bigger and stronger every year which changes the dynamics of how Gruden used to coach years ago, hence coaches are getting younger as well to try and infuse a younger mindset which in turn changes the way the game is played.

How long was Vermeil in booth before he came back to lead Rams to 2 SBs?

 

[Idgit]

I remember when the fans forced a change at QB when Danny White had us in 3 straight NFC Championship games. Now we are happy if we occasionally make the playoffs every couple of years. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Different league. I wish we were the Patriots, too, though. Just not going to happen.

 

[CowboyMike]

the cowboy coaching situation is the ultimate conundrum. no really good coach will coach for jerry. the reasons have been etched in stone the last 22 years. ergo, that leaves only yes men like garrett. as long as jerry runs the club, this will not change. and the cowboys will never again go to the big dance.

I must have imagined the four years Bill Parcells coached the Cowboys.

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

I didn’t want Gruden. I think people have forgotten the mess he left TB in and only remember him bumping his gums on TV.

Changing HC does work if you get the right guy. Look at ATL they got Quinn and have made it to the SB and look to be making another deep run this year. Look at the Jags big difference from last year. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few of the new coaches that get hired this year in next years playoffs.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Different league. I wish we were the Patriots, too, though. Just not going to happen.

Yea and we just aren't that team anymore. I miss the old time NFL.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

I would take it if Gruden came in and won a super bowl for us. The problem with Garrett is he is to much of a jellyfish to actually know which way he goes when pressure is applied.

 

[GenoT]

The outrage was so big that Landry replaced White with Hogeboom. Big mistake on his part. I was not one of those yelling for a change. I can imagine what the outcry would have been with the internet.

Don’t recall this at all. Was it ever stated in a quote by Landry (a link, perhaps?) that the fans influenced his decision regarding White?

Hard to believe, especially in those pre internet/ESPN days, that any NFL coach would change out his starter because of fan anger.

 

[Idgit]

Yea and we just aren't that team anymore. I miss the old time NFL.

I miss the whole league.

Then again, the Pats have what we're talking about having had back in the day, somehow. Belichick really is the best HC the league has ever seen in my book. It's incredible what they've been able to do.

 

[Carnes]

The real question is would any coach do any better with JJ running around. We will never know of our scouting department was that bad or was it JJ picking the groceries. The things that get me is you draft EE at #4 and you don't give him the ball inside the 5 yard line? I know I am no professional coach but I would take my chances running it 3 times than I would throwing it. The coaches do things that just make you go what the heck was they thinking.

The problem is that they were thinking and over thought theirselves , therein lies the problem.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Don’t recall this at all. Was it ever stated in a quote by Landry (a link, perhaps?) that the fans influenced his decision regarding White?

Hard to believe, especially in those pre internet/ESPN days, that any NFL coach would change out his starter because of fan anger.

I don't remember.It was so long ago. I was living in NC at the time. I just remember the fans calling for Hogeboom and I used to listen to a lot of sports radio and it was all the same thing. And sure enough the next season Hogeboom was named the starter. Now it didn't last because Danny was clearly the better QB.

 

[Sydla]

If that is the standard you go by then the vast majority of coaches would suck.

Yes, if your goal is to win championships, the majority of coaches aren't good enough. But that shouldn't be an excuse for never trying to find that coach or sticking with one that has shown over a long period he's incapable of winning one.

The trends don't lie. Of the 31 coaches who have won SBs, 27 of them won a SB within their first 5 years in that particular job. If Garrett were to win a SB at this point, he would be an anomaly.

 

[cern]

I must have imagined the four years Bill Parcells coached the Cowboys.

bill was brought in after 3 straight years of 5-11 and dave campo, another yes man. bill had more control. but in the end, jerry's continued meddling made bill decide to retire. then it was right back to the same thing. then a short stint for wade followed by garrett.

 

[Rockport]

Yes, if your goal is to win championships, the majority of coaches aren't good enough. But that shouldn't be an excuse for never trying to find that coach or sticking with one that has shown over a long period he's incapable of winning one.

The trends don't lie. Of the 31 coaches who have won SBs, 27 of them won a SB within their first 5 years in that particular job. If Garrett were to win a SB at this point, he would be an anomaly.

I disagree with you. You just can't go by stats. That's silly. There's many other considerations to consider. You know like the kind you complain about everything and everyone Cowboys.