We Need Instant Gratification

[TNCowboy]

if anything is childish, it is your ridiculous, petulant defending of a self centered, ego-maniacal clown who refuses to learn from the past in the face of overwhelming evidence.

There's really little anyone can say to rebutt this. They'll of course throw out their obligatory defenses of the improvement in personnel (which conveniently all happened under Parcells) over what it was a decade ago, and that Jones won 3 SBs 15-20 years ago, acting as though Jones played the same role with Jimmy Johnson here as he does now.

It's a farce, and most of them know it. Some just can't bring themselves to criticize the organization; some don't want to face the harsh truth that Jones is an incredible handicap that our team can't overcome; some just like to argue; and some are just clueless..

 

[SDogo]

There's really little anyone can say to rebutt this. They'll of course throw out their obligatory defenses of the improvement in personnel (which conveniently all happened under Parcells) over what it was a decade ago, and that Jones won 3 SBs 15-20 years ago, acting as though Jones played the same role with Jimmy Johnson here as he does now.

It's a farce, and most of them know it. Some just can't bring themselves to criticize the organization; some don't want to face the harsh truth that Jones is an incredible handicap that our team can't overcome; some just like to argue; and some are just clueless..

Oh there is plenty but it's worthless to even try. Your have your stance and I have my belief that the world is not one way or the other.

It is what it is.

 

[Dodger12]

Hey this is a "talented roster"– On the cusp of a Super Bowl.

Yep...just one or two pieces away from winning it all.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yep...just one or two pieces away from winning it all.

I don't think we should bring in a single free agent this offseason either.

Or maybe have another special teams draft.

 

[TNCowboy]

Oh there is plenty but it's worthless to even try. Your have your stance and I have my belief that the world is not one way or the other.

It is what it is.

5-10.

15 years.

It's about as cut and dried as can be. I accept that a drunken, philandering, 70 year old part time boxing, concert and college football promoter is not the dedicated GM that I want going toe-to-toe with the Scott Piolis, Bill Belichicks, and Kevin Colberts of the world...

 

[SDogo]

5-10.

15 years.

It's about as cut and dried as can be. I accept that a drunken, philandering, 70 year old part time boxing, concert and college football promoter is not the dedicated GM that I want going toe-to-toe with the Scott Piolis, Bill Belichicks, and Kevin Colberts of the world...

There is always going to be someone who does it better no matter what your talking about. There is also always going to be someone who does it crappier.

 

[ologan]

Hey this is a "talented roster"– On the cusp of a Super Bowl.

This IS a "talented" roster....Just some of them aren't very smart or disciplined.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How many teams can you name with one or fewer postseason victories in the last 15 years?

Honestly, there are so many ridiculous things about the OP its pointless to go over them all.

Instant gratification my arse..

This board as a whole needs to stop lumping people into certain categories based on anything they say. Its ridiculous.

Someone has a comment about Romo's leadership.. ROMO HATER.

Someone says they think Garrett will be a good coach.. GARRETT HUGGER.

Someone says they think Garrett still has a bit to prove yet.. GARRETT HATER.

All i hear from most posters here is "oh you're a HATER this, and an APOLOGIST that."


Its silly that there can't just be open discussion among posters here without the needless exaggeration to try and prove a point on every issue that is talked about.

Why does everything have to be black and white for most of you? Its either you like everything about a person, or you're a hater. Either you mindlessly agree with everything that a certain person does and says, or you're a hater. You say one thing positive about a person that most here don't like, you're an apologist. Its comical to hear posters being judged this way all the time around here.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

His idea of instant gratification is wanting Buehler gone or McGee to start based solely on the Cardinals game or the results of this season.

His criticism doesn't seem to be directed at those who believe that one playoff win in fifteen years is indicative of poor team management.

 

[TNCowboy]

There is always going to be someone who does it better no matter what your talking about. There is also always going to be someone who does it crappier.

Agreed.

But don't you think a guy like Jones is always searching for people who can be better? Isn't that a huge part of building a roster? Consider the failure of the organization since Jimmy Johnson's team got old. Would he accept such failure of any other person in the entire organization? He certainly hasn't accepted it from any of the 6 coaches he's fired.

Let's face it: for all of his talk about assessing the organization as a whole (and he always adds "I'm including myself in that"), that's the one thing he never does. His ego is just too big to admit there have been a lot of people available the last decade who would've done a decisively better job.

Just like in his interview the other night, when someone asked about a veteran coach along the line of Parcells, he said something like "Well, when Bill was here, we were making those decisions together." He, always sensitive to his own ego, had to protect the notion of himself in charge instead of just answering the question. It's the same way with the team. The team is like a giant model train set to him, and that winning is secondary to him getting credit if and when another SB ever comes.

 

[DragonCowboy]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

His idea of instant gratification is wanting Buehler gone or McGee to start based solely on the Cardinals game or the results of this season.

His criticism doesn't seem to be directed at those who believe that one playoff win in fifteen years is indicative of poor team management.

I have yet to see all these posts saying McGee should start over Romo.

Seems to me that he was using certain examples to try and make an overarching point: we as a fan base are asking of too much too soon.

 

[SDogo]

Agreed.

But don't you think a guy like Jones is always searching for people who can be better? Isn't that a huge part of building a roster? Consider the failure of the organization since Jimmy Johnson's team got old. Would he accept such failure of any other person in the entire organization? He certainly hasn't accepted it from any of the 6 coaches he's fired.

Let's face it: for all of his talk about assessing the organization as a whole (and he always adds "I'm including myself in that"), that's the one thing he never does. His ego is just too big to admit there have been a lot of people available the last decade who would've done a decisively better job.

Just like in his interview the other night, when someone asked about a veteran coach along the line of Parcells, he said something like "Well, when Bill was here, we were making those decisions together." He, always sensitive to his own ego, had to protect the notion of himself in charge instead of just answering the question. It's the same way with the team. The team is like a giant model train set to him, and that winning is secondary to him getting credit if and when another SB ever comes.

Ironically I do think this is one of Jerry's problems. He is always looking for better as far as coaching goes but at the same time besides Jimmy and only Jimmy IMO he has never found the right coach to "stick with" which is why i believe Jason is the right guy right now and long term.

I also get the feeling over the next couple years your going to see a more passive Jerry. I think Stephen is going to take more control.

Hey I'll admit, a poster stated earlier that this season was a wake up call for Jerry and the next 5 years is when he will be judged as either an owner who learns and wins or an egotistical money grubbing machine and I agree 100%

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

His idea of instant gratification is wanting Buehler gone or McGee to start based solely on the Cardinals game or the results of this season.

His criticism doesn't seem to be directed at those who believe that one playoff win in fifteen years is indicative of poor team management.

Reading through this thread I was wondering when someone was going to pick up on this...

 

[Venger]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

I think his terminology is maybe just a bit unclear, because to my mind, what's he's really bemoaning is knee-jerking responses to every adversity the team faces, seeing only the last play, making our decisions on the shortest of event horizons. Instant gratification isn't really it so much as it's a kind of sky-is-falling, Eeyore woe-is-me, fix everything with one move, always fighting the last play, not seeing the forest for the trees...

To be honest, I think the utter famine of success of this franchise has created the problem somewhat - we're like Gollum searching for the ring, it was ours, we covet it, and now our mind is tortured in the effort to get it back. Obsessed, we are... and as a result, alot of reasonableness and common sense has left us, replaced with a need to scratch, claw, and grasp desperately and wantonly for what has eluded us for too long now.

Or it could be that losing sucks and we're just sick of it.

 

[iceberg]

In this NFL instant gratification isn't so rare.

Also I would like for the Cowboys to have the same type of post season success as franchises like the Colts, Steelers, and Patriots...

Is that a lot to ask for? Maybe if you're a Seahawk fan. Not if you're a Cowboy fan.

The bar should NEVER be lowered and fans need to keep their unrealistic expectations.

Because when things are taken for granted you get seasons like this.

but the expectations of the fans had nothing to do with the way the team plays. it can also take awhile for a team chemistry to come together.

you cna keep your unrealistic expectations and just be mad a lot i suppose. but the NFL isn't going to revert to what you want so you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Whenever I play on franchise mode in Madden I always lose a ton of money. So Jerry gets credit there

 

[Hostile]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

His idea of instant gratification is wanting Buehler gone or McGee to start based solely on the Cardinals game or the results of this season.

His criticism doesn't seem to be directed at those who believe that one playoff win in fifteen years is indicative of poor team management.

Thank you. I did not think it was that cryptic at all.

 

[Hostile]

I think his terminology is maybe just a bit unclear, because to my mind, what's he's really bemoaning is knee-jerking responses to every adversity the team faces, seeing only the last play, making our decisions on the shortest of event horizons. Instant gratification isn't really it so much as it's a kind of sky-is-falling, Eeyore woe-is-me, fix everything with one move, always fighting the last play, not seeing the forest for the trees...

To be honest, I think the utter famine of success of this franchise has created the problem somewhat - we're like Gollum searching for the ring, it was ours, we covet it, and now our mind is tortured in the effort to get it back. Obsessed, we are... and as a result, alot of reasonableness and common sense has left us, replaced with a need to scratch, claw, and grasp desperately and wantonly for what has eluded us for too long now.

Or it could be that losing sucks and we're just sick of it.

Even if this post were 180 degrees opposite of my point I would still call it ost:

Great analogies.

 

[jjktkk]

And yet we started out 1 and 7 with those very same players. We are almost last in the league in defense, have a secondary that can't cover and an OL that's in shambles. We also tried filling those gaps with the 09 draft and have nothing to show for it. Keep dreaming but I'm not that optimistic.

So whats your point? Just clean house and rebuild? The offense is one of the top offenses in the league. The defense was one of the top defenses in the league in 09, but horribly regressed this year. This team has holes, but is still a very talented team. Get the right head coach, and fix the defense, and O-line and this team can be a Superbowl contender again.

 

[TNCowboy]

After reading the OP more closely, I think some of you may be misunderstanding Hos's intent.

His idea of instant gratification is wanting Buehler gone or McGee to start based solely on the Cardinals game or the results of this season.

His criticism doesn't seem to be directed at those who believe that one playoff win in fifteen years is indicative of poor team management.

The problem is, even from that perspective, wanting Buehler gone is not a knee-jerk reaction (at least not for many).

Reportedly, he was so erratic kicking last year in practice that having him as the regular kicker wasn't even an option. Then, he's missed a handful of shorter FGs and 2 XPs in a year where several kickers are nailing almost everything under 40 yards (I think I heard yesterday that the Bears' kicker missed under 40 yards for the first time in nearly 100 kicks). Plus, his kickoffs had been lacking prior to the last month or so.

Someone can have a kneejerk reaction to Buehler. But they can also have a reasoned opinion formed over 2 years that he is not every day kicker material.