We Passed on Jalen Ramsey & Took Ezekiel Elliott. Thank God

[drawandstrike]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-jalen-ramsey-says-homer-ref-should-be-fired/

The more this Ramsey kid opens his mouth down in Jacksonville the happier I am we took Zeke instead of him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Lol, I don't see why anything he said is crazy when we've got a fringe element on this board saying the very same sorta things.

 

[Go Big D!]

Zeke donating to the Salvation Army and Ramsey will be donating to the league shortly..

 

[BAZ]

Him and Jack haven't helped them much. That team is an enigma.

 

[drawandstrike]

Him and Jack haven't helped them much. That team is an enigma.

A losing culture sets in, some times you have to clean the entire house, just drafting new talent to send into a dysfunctional culture does not work. A lot of people think just firing the head coach accomplishes this. Sometimes it'd actually be better to keep the coach and fire the general manager or get a new owner.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Him and Jack haven't helped them much. That team is an enigma.

Ramsey has been a very effective CB1 for them

 

[BAZ]

Ramsey has been a very effective CB1 for them

Generous.

 

[Sarge]

Ramsey has been a very effective CB1 for them

Yep.

 

[dargonking999]

Ramsey has been a very effective CB1 for them

but how many games has it won them? Do we really believe that without Zeke we would be 12-2 right now? Would ramsey have made that dramatic of a difference? Zeke was the best pick for our team, Ramsey was the best player on the board for the jags. And the teams record reflects it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

but how many games has it won them? Do we really believe that without Zeke we would be 12-2 right now? Would ramsey have made that dramatic of a difference? Zeke was the best pick for our team, Ramsey was the best player on the board for the jags. And the teams record reflects it.

What I said had nothing to do with Zeke.

Doubt we win 7 games without Elliott this year. He was the right pick over Ramsey. Ramsey however has been an excellent CB for Jacksonville

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What I said had nothing to do with Zeke.

Doubt we win 7 games without Elliott this year. He was the right pick over Ramsey. Ramsey however has been an excellent CB for Jacksonville

Don't bother.

The automatons are programmed to make simple distinctions...good vs. bad...hot vs. cold...like vs. dislike.

Ramsey was the guy could have gone with but we went Zeke, so therefore Ramsey has to suck.

 

[dargonking999]

What I said had nothing to do with Zeke.

Doubt we win 7 games without Elliott this year. He was the right pick over Ramsey. Ramsey however has been an excellent CB for Jacksonville

But that's the point of the thread.

No matter how well he's playing for the Jags, they are still 2-10, and he has not had nearly the impact on the defense has Zeke has on our offense. Not to mention his attitude is clearly not as positive exciting as Zeke

 

[darthseinfeld]

But that's the point of the thread.

No matter how well he's playing for the Jags, they are still 2-10, and he has not had nearly the impact on the defense has Zeke has on our offense. Not to mention his attitude is clearly not as positive exciting as Zeke

My comment was directed at the statement about Jalen not helping them much. Despite there record he has helped them significantly and shut down some very good WRs. They may be 2-12 but thats not on Ramsey. He has gotten his job done. After Zeke, Prescott, Howard and Conklin he is in the convo with Bosa and Floyd and a couple others as top 5 rookies. Definitely in the top 10 as far as rookie performances IMO

 

[dargonking999]

My comment was directed at the statement about Jalen not helping them much. Despite there record he has helped them significantly and shut down some very good WRs. They may be 2-12 but thats not on Ramsey. He has gotten his job done. After Zeke, Prescott, Howard and Conklin he is in the convo with Bosa and Floyd and a couple others as top 5 rookies. Definitely in the top 10 as far as rookie performances IMO

If he did his job, then Hopkins would not have caught the first down pass that sealed the game late in the first match up, nor would he have given up the td on the second game that contributed to the loss. He has played well, but he had also been reasons why they have lost games as well. Jalen has not helped them that much, there Def is at best average, they have the worst record, and they just fired there coach. If he was that great at least one of those 3 things would not be true

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If he did his job, then Hopkins would not have caught the first down pass that sealed the game late in the first match up, nor would he have given up the td on the second game that contributed to the loss. He has played well, but he had also been reasons why they have lost games as well. Jalen has not helped them that much, there Def is at best average, they have the worst record, and they just fired there coach. If he was that great at least one of those 3 things would not be true

There's so much fundamentally wrong with this take.

Zeke (or any RB) benefits from having an offensive unit scheme and run plays to make him successful. In other words, his level of productivity/success is directly tied to the help of others.

A CB, for the most part, is matching up against a receiver and trying to lock him down irregardless of what's happening at the LOS or on the other half of the field.

Comparing the two positions is apples-to-oranges and then to assign blame to Ramsey for the Jaguars ineptitude is misguided.

 

[Jinxx13x]

A losing culture sets in, some times you have to clean the entire house, just drafting new talent to send into a dysfunctional culture does not work. A lot of people think just firing the head coach accomplishes this. Sometimes it'd actually be better to keep the coach and fire the general manager or get a new owner.

They should clean house and send fowler jr to us

 

[drawandstrike]

The only time I hear about this guy is when he's getting ejected from games, fighting with other players, or whining about the officials.

I'm not a Jags fan, obviously, I do not watch their games. He's helping their team? He's being a pretty darn good #1 CB for them you say?

Well that's just fantastic.

That doesn't change the fact the only time his profile gets raised in the wider NFL, its for stuff like in the OP.

 

[dargonking999]

There's so much fundamentally wrong with this take.

Zeke (or any RB) benefits from having an offensive unit scheme and run plays to make him successful. In other words, his level of productivity/success is directly tied to the help of others.

A CB, for the most part, is matching up against a receiver and trying to lock him down irregardless of what's happening at the LOS or on the other half of the field.

Comparing the two positions is apples-to-oranges and then to assign blame to Ramsey for the Jaguars ineptitude is misguided.

Zekes benifits has gone beyond just running the football it's been the attitude, the enjoyment, and the fun he's brought to this team and offense that has had such a postive impact on the team. How many players have said that Zeke has made the guys feel younger with thereach excitement? With Zeke it's been mostly postive things (save the domestic abuse issie, and pot store visit)

Where as Ramsey has only ever been in the news talking about people, teams, referees or just a general discontent.

Zeke has earned us yards that helped us win games even beyond the PLC. Where as Ramsey has done nothing other than play good and not be the reason they lose.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Zekes benifits has gone beyond just running the football it's been the attitude, the enjoyment, and the fun he's brought to this team and offense that has had such a postive impact on the team. How many players have said that Zeke has made the guys feel younger with thereach excitement? With Zeke it's been mostly postive things (save the domestic abuse issie, and pot store visit)

Where as Ramsey has only ever been in the news talking about people, teams, referees or just a general discontent.

Zeke has earned us yards that helped us win games even beyond the PLC. Where as Ramsey has done nothing other than play good and not be the reason they lose.

Lol, I'm sure you're plugged into the Jaguars franchise as you are with Cowboys, right?

Seriously, what are we arguing here? Anecdotal reports from the media?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Zeke has obviously worked out beyond our wildest dreams. But we simply don't know what would have happened if we'd taken Ramsey. It's possible that his presence would've allowed us to do more things on defense and get more takeaways, and Derrick Henry would be the toast of Dallas, plowing through defenses as our RB. It's also possible that Ramsey is a key piece of the Jags' defense for the next 12 years while Zeke taps out around age 30 like most RBs do.

Zeke was a fantastic pick. That doesn't mean going with Ramsey would've been a mistake.