We should still replace Garrett

[Bigrandrn]

The playoff berth will get Jerry going, but this fan-base should still demand that Jason Garrett goes with anything less than an NFC Championship appearance.

Linehan is either calling idiotic plays or being fed nonsense, cut the head off.

Install Harbaugh (Mich.), Richard, @big dog cowboy, or anyone sensible as Head Coach.

A decade of this nonsense perpetrated by Princeton-grad, Troy Aikman's back-up, Garrett's "golden boy", and now Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys since the team just didn't give it for Wade Phillips, a HOF level defensive coordinator, Jason the clapper is enough.

Yup, doesn’t matter what record he gets, dude just doesn’t have “IT”

 

[Wolfpack]

How has he gone through more coordinators than anyone? He's had 1 OC, and 3 DC's in 8 years.

He had Sporano as his running game guy when he was 1st hired.
Then we had the failed attempt to bring in Dan Reeves to oversee the offense.
Bill Callahan was next up as OC.
Then Linehan.

Defensively you had Rex.
The Kiffen then Rod and now with Richards in waiting.

That’s 3 DCs not counting the Wade leftover or the guy in waiting.
The OC is at 2 but doesn’t include Tony, Dan or Jason himself who got fired as OC.

You could list 8 coordinators if you include those guys. Lots of blame and turnover either way with out and real change.

 

[silvrNblue]

Hum... we have 2 games to go, absolute travesty in Indy, miserable game plan and zero execution by BOTH sides of thr ball. I call THAT preparation, in clappers case, maybe he mistook the meaning and went out , bought a trailer load of "preparation H" and well you saw the result. in any case, clapper, linehan have to go. Enough is enough. 23 years and still a noting burger from the coaching side of this team. good players are gone now, we have a really great group of young talent, and from what we saw Sunday, garret with his vanilla queen OC are WAISTING them also. yes, the players have to make plays, but the whole damn thing starts at the TOP, not the bottom.

 

[silvrNblue]

How would that work

We LOSE at home to Tampa, Eagles win, skins win, then we got choke it up in NY and both the other teams mentioned win again... say adios to ANY playoff chance. I was so sure the team was good enough to get by the inept coaching and play calling, but now I'm not so sure. How do you go in at half, down, knowing they took away your #1 in cooper, and make NO damn adjustments to off set that? AHh wait it's the Princeton grad and his moron OC with all the great knowledge of, just keep doing what we do the tired *** predictable way... I mena really, no way a team watched film or anything right.... GMAFB

 

[Stash]

How about we just let it play out huh? By the end it should be fairly evident.

This way, you don’t have to be conflicted by hoping we lose.

That's what I'm willing to do. And I've wanted Garrett gone for years now. But he at least deserves the opportunity to see how the season finishes out.

I'm just looking for accountability. If he wins the division and a home playoff game? I can accept him coming back. Ultimately he will have earned that right. How do you fire a coach that gets you to the playoffs and even wins?

But if he's doesn't, or if the worst case scenario happens and he loses out and loses the division and playoff spot? I would hope the same accountability is used and he's deservedly shown the door.

But I'm certainly willing to let things play out, as we all know the owner will.

 

[nmcowboys]

I believe garrett is a good coach ...if not garrett then who ...its easy to blame the coach for winning/ losing...i do believe play calling has a lot do with our qb capabilities

 

[charron]

He had Sporano as his running game guy when he was 1st hired.
Then we had the failed attempt to bring in Dan Reeves to oversee the offense.
Bill Callahan was next up as OC.
Then Linehan.

Defensively you had Rex.
The Kiffen then Rod and now with Richards in waiting.

That’s 3 DCs not counting the Wade leftover or the guy in waiting.
The OC is at 2 but doesn’t include Tony, Dan or Jason himself who got fired as OC.

You could list 8 coordinators if you include those guys. Lots of blame and turnover either way with out and real change.

Reeves was not a coordinator. Sporano was only the playcaller for 1 season and not at all under Garrett and still wasn't an OC. Garrett took over Sporano's play calling duties when Parcells hired Garrett. Callahan was the OL coach who called plays 1 year, was never the OC. Richards is also not a coordinator and is still with the team along with Marinelli and Linehan.

So the only coordinators he has let go were Rex and Kiffen.....who are no longer employed as coaches.

Is your point that Garrett or any head coach should keep staff members who aren't doing what they want or are just terrible (rex, kiffen)?

 

[Vanilla2]

We LOSE at home to Tampa, Eagles win, skins win, then we got choke it up in NY and both the other teams mentioned win again... say adios to ANY playoff chance. I was so sure the team was good enough to get by the inept coaching and play calling, but now I'm not so sure. How do you go in at half, down, knowing they took away your #1 in cooper, and make NO damn adjustments to off set that? AHh wait it's the Princeton grad and his moron OC with all the great knowledge of, just keep doing what we do the tired *** predictable way... I mena really, no way a team watched film or anything right.... GMAFB

The playoff generator I did still had us as a wildcard

I kind of went through it real fast picking Dallas to lose all games and philly and Washington winning next week.

I didn’t read your whole post cuz

It

Ain’t

Happening

Dallas

Wins

Sunday

 

[droopdog7]

That's what I'm willing to do. And I've wanted Garrett gone for years now. But he at least deserves the opportunity to see how the season finishes out.

I'm just looking for accountability. If he wins the division and a home playoff game? I can accept him coming back. Ultimately he will have earned that right. How do you fire a coach that gets you to the playoffs and even wins?

But if he's doesn't, or if the worst case scenario happens and he loses out and loses the division and playoff spot? I would hope the same accountability is used and he's deservedly shown the door.

But I'm certainly willing to let things play out, as we all know the owner will.

Reasonable stance. As for me, I am not so concerned that the right/best move won't be made. As you say, if he gets in and wins a game or two then I think bringing Garrett back will probably happen. If blow it and don't even make it into the playoffs he's gone the next day. No one should doubt this at all.

Of course, there is the center ground where he gets in and loses a home game. If that happens, I think there is at least a decent chance Garrett is gone. May depend, and I know this drives people crazy, on how it all plays out.

Where I completely differ from the folks hoping the cowboys lose (and that's frankly where many people stand) is that I don't think it's worth all the hand wringing to get the coach fired for at least two reasons. First, the issues we are seeing might be the QB. Now you can blame the coach for picking the QB but it's quite possible that no coach can win with this QB. So fire the coach and keep the QB then you might not accomplish anything.

Second, and this is a big one, a new coach will still have this owner which is known for meddling and frankly, undermining the power of all of his coaches. So the next coach may not be any better, and could be worse, than the current coach.

And sure, there is an argument for making changes for change sake. But that's not a plan. The same folks that are complaining about the current coach will be complaining about the next one.

 

[Stash]

Reasonable stance. As for me, I am not so concerned that the right/best move won't be made. As you say, if he gets in and wins a game or two then I think bringing Garrett back will probably happen. If blow it and don't even make it into the playoffs he's gone the next day. No one should doubt this at all.

Of course, there is the center ground where he gets in and loses a home game. If that happens, I think there is at least a decent chance Garrett is gone. May depend, and I know this drives people crazy, on how it all plays out.

Agreed. It's yes, no, and maybe. If he makes the playoffs and wins a game? Yes, he comes back, and deservedly so. If the team collapses and misses the playoffs entirely? No, he doesn't comes back. And he certainly shouldn't. But if he makes the playoffs and loses? Maybe he comes back and maybe he doesn't?

Where I completely differ from the folks hoping the cowboys lose (and that's frankly where many people stand) is that I don't think it's worth all the hand wringing to get the coach fired for at least two reasons. First, the issues we are seeing might be the QB. Now you can blame the coach for picking the QB but it's quite possible that no coach can win with this QB. So fire the coach and keep the QB then you might not accomplish anything.

It's also quite possible - and in my opinion very likely - that these coaches are contributing to this quarterback's struggles.

Consider this. Garrett and the Cowboys have not only been bad when anybody but Romo wasn't out there changing plays and saving the day, but they've been terrible. Abysmal. Incompetently bad. You can look that up.

Secondly, quarterbacks aren't getting better working with them, they're getting worse. Dak played far better as a rookie right out of the box than he has since. Put it on a chart and the arrow points down, not up. And that goes double for the backup Rush. The guy looked phenomenally as an undrafted rookie, leading the preseason with six touchdowns and zero interceptions as I recall. A year later working with these coaches? He looked incompetent.

There's a clear pattern with these coaches and their quarterbacks.

Second, and this is a big one, a new coach will still have this owner which is known for meddling and frankly, undermining the power of all of his coaches. So the next coach may not be any better, and could be worse, than the current coach.

Or he could actually be quite better? That's a possibility as well, right? I'm not seeing that possibility listed here? I'll add this, worst case scenario, even if the next coach is flat-out awful. We all know that he won't be an extended family member, or a Jerry Jones vanity project gifted the job. Therefore, even if he stinks, he won't get 8 years of time to stink, he'll be fired after just a few. If nothing else, we can take comfort in that.

And sure, there is an argument for making changes for change sake. But that's not a plan. The same folks that are complaining about the current coach will be complaining about the next one.

It's easy to throw out false narratives.