We Should Trade Down Both # 1's

[CF74]

I'm no draft expert by no means so this is purely hypothetical. Would we get four # 2's this year and two # 1's next year?

We already have a # 2 so essentially we'd have 5 picks in the second round.

Then we can get some serious quality depth in many key positions:

CB
RB
WR
ILB
QB

and with our 3rd pick another pass rusher or SS, same with our 4rth.

Now we need some stats on how good 2nd rounders pan out. I like home grown players...

 

[Nors]

No,
This team is primed to win now. Sans McFADDEN - This is the time to jump up 4-8 spots and get a player if need be. We need impact players, now. TO is aging, our secondary at corners aging. Romo needs to get a playoff win.

I was HUGE wanting Willis and Revis and many scoffed when I graded them so high. We need to find that guy in 2008 and just go get him this draft.

But not into top 5 for McFadden.

 

[CF74]

No,
This team is primed to win now. Sans McFADDEN - This is the time to jump up 4-8 spots and get a player if need be. We need impact players, now. TO is aging, our secondary at corners aging. Romo needs to get a playoff win.

I was HUGE wanting Willis and Revis and many scoffed when I graded them so high. We need to find that guy in 2008 and just go get him this draft.

But not into top 5 for McFadden.

Can't we get the same quality in round 2 and more of it??

 

[CF74]

Beuhler?

 

[kelvinkato77]

Hey Guys, this is my first time posting here. I've been reading for a little while now and must say that you guys do a great job with your research.
That being said, I do understand where ELDudearino is coming from. This draft seemingly is very deep with the record amount of juniors declaring. If we had say 5 second round picks, we would be able to fill my wish list easily without reaching too much on players. I have seen some mocks where guys listed in the third or fourth (IMO) will jump because of combine numbers and senior bowl performance. But what if we were to grab:

2a - Chirs Johnson / Ray Rice
2b - Tracey Porter (From what I've seen sticks like glue, and great return man. Much like McCelvin but from a larger conference)
2c - Phillip Wheeler (Here is our ILB that we need. 6'2", 245 - BALLHAWK)
2d - Eddie Royal (His stock is going to soar after the senior bowl and combine.) Anyone who thinks he can be had in the late fourth or even the end of the third, I think will be mistaken.
2e - Jonathan Hefney (What may be the final piece of the puzzle in the secondary.) Blazing speed for a safety, can also cover the slot. How long has it been since we had that?

***I thought about putting Okam in here, but I would rather have Wheeler. I would also like to see us pick up Anthony Aldridge in round 4. After he runs in the combine, I don't think that he will be available after that. He can be our Darrin Sproles / Dave Megget***

***And for those who want speed, there is plenty to burn here***

 

[Oh_Canada]

Hey Guys, this is my first time posting here. I've been reading for a little while now and must say that you guys do a great job with your research.
That being said, I do understand where ELDudearino is coming from. This draft seemingly is very deep with the record amount of juniors declaring. If we had say 5 second round picks, we would be able to fill my wish list easily without reaching too much on players. I have seen some mocks where guys listed in the third or fourth (IMO) will jump because of combine numbers and senior bowl performance. But what if we were to grab:

2a - Chirs Johnson / Ray Rice
2b - Tracey Porter (From what I've seen sticks like glue, and great return man. Much like McCelvin but from a larger conference)
2c - Phillip Wheeler (Here is our ILB that we need. 6'2", 245 - BALLHAWK)
2d - Eddie Royal (His stock is going to soar after the senior bowl and combine.) Anyone who thinks he can be had in the late fourth or even the end of the third, I think will be mistaken.
2e - Jonathan Hefney (What may be the final piece of the puzzle in the secondary.) Blazing speed for a safety, can also cover the slot. How long has it been since we had that?

***I thought about putting Okam in here, but I would rather have Wheeler. I would also like to see us pick up Anthony Aldridge in round 4. After he runs in the combine, I don't think that he will be available after that. He can be our Darrin Sproles / Dave Megget***

***And for those who want speed, there is plenty to burn here***

Whheewww....I would be ecstatic with that haul....but I don't know if Porter will be around in the second round based on the way he is performing in the Senior Bowl.

 

[kelvinkato77]

I should have put Porter / Cromartie and Chris Johnson / Jamall Charles. Switch up the picks if need be. I just think that something like this would be very doable given the depth in this draft.

 

[justbob]

That is not a bad idea --if we could pick up the 2 1st next year and still have good round two pics --

 

[kelvinkato77]

I don't know if we could actually pick up two firsts next year, but I was thinking one and an extra second this year. Really fills alot of needs IMO. I know alot of people come from the school of BPA, but this is a little different philosophy. With such a deep draft, we could in all actuality target specific groups of players in round two, and draft to go and get them. Like I said, the order could who is taken where could be shaken up, but who wouldn't feel great coming out with a draft like this? Not to mention we would still have rounds 3-7.. Another guy I like (and maybe it is just due to the relation) is Safety Dominique Barber. Probably a late third or fourth round pick. 6' 210, 4.47. He did not have any picks this year playing free safety at Minn. but led the team in tackles (second team all-big ten), coming off of four picks in his junior effort (Could take Okam in second and Barber later instead of Hefney). If worked correctly this draft could give us great depth in the offensive backfield, the defensive backfield (future replacement for Roy as well) and as another poster elluded to on another thread, a serious infusion of speed and weapons. Imagine our return game options after this draft (Porter, Johnson, Hefney, Aldridge). Wow

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

I like this idea but my idea is a little different.

First thing I would do is send Bobby Carpenter and our #2 pick, which I think is #56 to Detroit for Roy Williams.

Then I would trade our #22 to Miami for there two second round pics. I know they pick #32 and I think 54 on there other second round pick.

So then we would have pics 28, 32 and 54 to fill CB, RB and ILB/S

So we still have three picks in the first two rounds and we get Roy Williams

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like this idea but my idea is a little different.

First thing I would do is send Bobby Carpenter and our #2 pick, which I think is #56 to Detroit for Roy Williams.

Then I would trade our #22 to Miami for there two second round pics. I know they pick #32 and I think 54 on there other second round pick.

So then we would have pics 28, 32 and 54 to fill CB, RB and ILB/S

So we still have three picks in the first two rounds and we get Roy Williams

Miami doesn't want to trade there 2nd and 3rd round picks. They want to trade out of #1 and aquire more 1st day picks.

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Miami doesn't want to trade there 2nd and 3rd round picks. They want to trade out of #1 and aquire more 1st day picks.

Well, in my scenario Miami wouldnt be trading the third but would be trading the second that they have from San Diego. So we swap #22 for #32 and the payment for that is #54. I dont think thats far fetched.

And I understand the idea of Miami acquiring picks but I am assuming they are going to drop down a few times in the first round gathering multiple picks

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Just a side note to my post. Miami currently has THREE #2 picks as we sit here today and they wish to drop from #1 for more picks. Dont think they will actually draft 6 or 7 players in the first two rounds.

 

[Hailmary]

Speaking of Miami, could we perhaps send Fasano and maybe a 5th for one of their 2nds?

I just looked up their depth chart and it's not at all impressive. We all know how Bill loves his TEs and the 2 TE set. BP and Ireland also drafted this kid, so they may feel they already know what they'll get in him rather than relying on a draft pick.

How's this draft as far as TEs are concerned? Are there any decent ones in FA?

I actually like Fasano and I think he'll be a pretty good one in the long run, but I also see a lot of upside in Curtis, so I'd be willing to let him go.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, in my scenario Miami wouldnt be trading the third but would be trading the second that they have from San Diego. So we swap #22 for #32 and the payment for that is #54. I dont think thats far fetched.

And I understand the idea of Miami acquiring picks but I am assuming they are going to drop down a few times in the first round gathering multiple picks

It's possible. I don't see it but you can fill volumes with the things I have not seen in my life.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

i had an idea like this a couple months ago i think its viable and we should but the ILB i want is Travess Gooden from the U

 

[CF74]

Hey Guys, this is my first time posting here. I've been reading for a little while now and must say that you guys do a great job with your research.
That being said, I do understand where ELDudearino is coming from. This draft seemingly is very deep with the record amount of juniors declaring. If we had say 5 second round picks, we would be able to fill my wish list easily without reaching too much on players. I have seen some mocks where guys listed in the third or fourth (IMO) will jump because of combine numbers and senior bowl performance. But what if we were to grab:

2a - Chirs Johnson / Ray Rice
2b - Tracey Porter (From what I've seen sticks like glue, and great return man. Much like McCelvin but from a larger conference)
2c - Phillip Wheeler (Here is our ILB that we need. 6'2", 245 - BALLHAWK)
2d - Eddie Royal (His stock is going to soar after the senior bowl and combine.) Anyone who thinks he can be had in the late fourth or even the end of the third, I think will be mistaken.
2e - Jonathan Hefney (What may be the final piece of the puzzle in the secondary.) Blazing speed for a safety, can also cover the slot. How long has it been since we had that?

***I thought about putting Okam in here, but I would rather have Wheeler. I would also like to see us pick up Anthony Aldridge in round 4. After he runs in the combine, I don't think that he will be available after that. He can be our Darrin Sproles / Dave Megget***

***And for those who want speed, there is plenty to burn here***

to the board and thanks for your input. I don't have much knowledge in drafting but I thought I'd put it out there. From what I've heard on another forum, Jerry did something similar to this in the 90's and it didn't pan out so well. Here's a direct quote:

[..]

Load up on quality depth? That was pretty much the approach the Cowboys used in the mid 90's which aided in their decline. Jerry kept claiming he didn't see anyone who could start so they would trade down for backups.

Does anybody know about this?

 

[kelvinkato77]

Thanks. And though I agree that this may have been a bad idea in the past. And I also understand some of the apprehension about trading out of the first round. People want impact players who will see the field right away.

My opinion is though, as good as our record was this year we have needs. The only way that I see to fill all of them with quality players is to do something like we have been talking about. I can't remember a draft where it seemed like Cowboys fans all agreeing on the needs (not necessarily the players) with so much depth and SPEED at the positions WE need.

I just think there is an argument to each approach. Though I am somewhat biased towards just loading up with speed and talent. It just happens to be that this year unlike many others I can remember, we would have a legit opportunity to do that. I really think that all of the above mentioned players could come in and help immediately. Maybe Hefney is a reach, but that is only because our coaching staff may stick him behind Roy for a year. If it was up to us fans however, I would venture to guess that if we could replace Roy with a fast intsinctive ballhawk most of us would jump on it at this point.

And as far as Roy Williams the Wr goes, I like him. I do. I just wouldn't want to pass up the opportunity for a draft like this unless he could be had for a second round pick and perhaps a player or two. (You guys know who I'm talking about)

And I've been really high on Eddie Royal for a couple years now. I didn't expect him to do this well in the senior bowl practices, but he seems to have a game that would translate really well to the next level. He is strong, fast, good on special teams.. Probably never a true number one, but they said that about Steve Smith..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I thought about them trading one of their first, moving down further into the first round, and maybe picking up an extra second to do so.

Thus they'd keep their two 1's and then pick up an extra second giving them 2 picks in each round.

I don't know that I see them dropping out of the first round, all together, just to pick up 5 picks in the second round.

There is a lot of nice talent, yes, but to do that you'd surely put yourself out of the range for picking up one of the top 4-5 WR's and 4-5 corners, both of which Dallas needs.

I could see them trading down, further into the first round, and picking up an additional 2nd or additional 2nd and 3rd but I dont know that I see them moving totally out of the first round.


And I do agree with the comment about Jerry saying he feels like that really got them in trouble in the 90's, I've heard him say that in many interviews on DallasCowboys.com where he attributed a huge portion of their decline to the fact that they traded down, all the time, and just picked up numbers of players but wound up picking up a huge load of numbers, with no actual contributors.

He's stated many times he wouldn't do that kind of thing again.

 

[CF74]

I thought about them trading one of their first, moving down further into the first round, and maybe picking up an extra second to do so.

Thus they'd keep their two 1's and then pick up an extra second giving them 2 picks in each round.

I don't know that I see them dropping out of the first round, all together, just to pick up 5 picks in the second round.

There is a lot of nice talent, yes, but to do that you'd surely put yourself out of the range for picking up one of the top 4-5 WR's and 4-5 corners, both of which Dallas needs.

I could see them trading down, further into the first round, and picking up an additional 2nd or additional 2nd and 3rd but I dont know that I see them moving totally out of the first round.


And I do agree with the comment about Jerry saying he feels like that really got them in trouble in the 90's, I've heard him say that in many interviews on DallasCowboys.com where he attributed a huge portion of their decline to the fact that they traded down, all the time, and just picked up numbers of players but wound up picking up a huge load of numbers, with no actual contributors.

He's stated many times he wouldn't do that kind of thing again.

That's some good info and it confirms some things I didn't know..