We would be silly to pass on Jarrett

[Haley94]

I wouldn't be disappointed if we took him. If he has the Irivn /Rice type work ethic, he could end up being the best of the bunch. He certainly was productive and showed up for the big games.

Although, looking towards the future, I think Hurd is going to be a really good player and we could use a young speed guy to compliment him. It seems all our young developing WR are possession type receivers.

 

[Achozen]

Interesting discussion. Jarrett dominated College Football from the time he was a freshman and had an incredible Rose Bowl against Michigan and their talented secondary, including their soon-to-be first round cornerback.

I realize he does not seperate like Marvin Harrison, but a lot of guys who weren't the quickest or fastest have had great careers because of other strengths like size, hands, competitivenesss, etc. I won't even bring up Irvin because so many others have already done so, but another guy who Jarrett could become is a player like Mushin Muhammed. That guy has been an absolutely great WR for a very long time and he's not the fastest or the quickest.

The questions I would want to answer concern his his heart, attitude, work ethic, etc. If Jarrett is NOT like Mike Williams in those areas and has the heart, competitiveness and dedication to be a truly great player, I would want him in heartbeat. The trouble is I've heard competely different views of him on those issues, so I just don't know what the truth is for him.

If he could become a player like Mushin Muhammad I'd take him in a heart beat. Muhammad has quietly had himself a quality career.

 

[Kangaroo]

I wouldn't be disappointed if we took him. If he has the Irivn /Rice type work ethic, he could end up being the best of the bunch. He certainly was productive and showed up for the big games.

Although, looking towards the future, I think Hurd is going to be a really good player and we could use a young speed guy to compliment him. It seems all our young developing WR are possession type receivers.

Funny you should say that Sam Hard #'s senior year

Tied 7th in Receiving yards 1074

Tied 35th in catches at 65

Tied 7th in TD's

N. ILL Division 1a school

 

[Kangaroo]

I have another question what was Jarrets 3 cone drill because that also matters getting in and out of breaks and his shuttles runs

Where they good average or bad

If he is consider a long strider and is looked at as a guy who cannot get in and out of breaks quickly then yes his stock will drop along with the slow 40 times

 

[cowboy625]

Show me the top 10 pass catchers in college football and their NFL stats in the last 7 years. Production is not everything in college yes it should be there but it is not everything.

Some guys do not translate while due to lack of speed size etc.

Look at all the heisman trophy winners that have done nothing in the NFL

Most Heisman trophy winners who don't do good in the pros are QB's. Primarily because some offenses in the NCAA are gimmick and pass happy. For example, scouting a receiver from Hawaii, Florida, or Texas Tech, is different from scouting a receiver who plays in a pro-like system, and USC is as pro like as it gets.

Jarretts #'s are scary, ala Fitzgerald in Arizona, and LArry is no burner. He uses his size, remarkable hands, and great route running to get open. Speaking of Arizona, Anquan Bolden ran a 4.7 at the combine, I've also heard that he's pretty good.

 

[Verdict]

Dwayne Jarrett: Kid runs a 4.6 forty and suddenly doesn't know how to catch and run routes, and is the same as Mike Williams. T.O. and Glen aren't getting any younger, this guy was rated as a top 10 prospect. Now he's suddenly a second round pick. Give me a break.

I'm not sure if he will make a "player" or not, but comparing him to Mike Williams doesn't help your argument much.

 

[cowboy625]

Another thing, how many times have you seen a guy with Porshe speed who can't run a route or catch a football to save his life. I know times change, but mastery skills (catching route running, and size), cant be outmatched by speed.

Steve Smith is not a Pro Bowler becasuse of his speed. Smith is a probowler because he snatches the ball out of the air like a hawk, and he fights for the ball when in traffic, and he's 5'9.

Randy Moss wasn't Randy Moss because he was tall and fast, he was Randy Moss was because he caught anything thrown near him.

Speed is a very minimal thing in regards to the success of a WR.

 

[cowboy625]

I'm not sure if he will make a "player" or not, but comparing him to Mike Williams doesn't help your argument much.

I meant, people compare him unfairly to Mike Williams, negatively. Sorry if the statement was a bit unclear.

 

[masomenos]

I have another question what was Jarrets 3 cone drill because that also matters getting in and out of breaks and his shuttles runs

Where they good average or bad

If he is consider a long strider and is looked at as a guy who cannot get in and out of breaks quickly then yes his stock will drop along with the slow 40 times

3 cone = 7.28
Shuttle = 4.2
Combined = 11.48

Gonzalez = 10.62
Smith = 10.87
Higgins = 10.94
Allison = 11.06
Bowe = 11.16
Hill = 11.24
Meachem = 11.28
Rice = 11.43
Jarrett = 11.48

 

[Kangaroo]

Larry Fitzgerald doing searches I find

40 times of 4.47 -4.55 range
20 Yard Shuttle 4.27
3 Cone drill 6.97

 

[masomenos]

I'll find the combined times on some of the top WRs drafted in recent years...

Larry Fitzgerald: 11.22
Roy Williams: 10.66
Lee Evans: 10.76
Chad Johnson: 11.65
Javon Walker: 10.91
Anquan Boldin: 11.68