CFZ Week 2 Preseason Observations, Cowboys vs. Chargers

ConstantReboot

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I didn't disagree with anything you said but the stuff about Tolbert. I don't feel he's ready right now based on this first two games, and I don't think he'll be the No. 2. Based on who is sitting and some of the things that have been said, I think the plan for No. 2 is some combination of Noah Brown and Pollard.

Our best receiver Saturday was Brandon Smith IMO, but I don't think he makes the roster because he doesn't really get much separation. He's one of those guys who you just have to throw the ball to even if he's covered and trust he'll win it. That's not Prescott's kind of receiver. I think he ends up on the PS again.

I do think we'll have multiple receivers we'll use, and Tolbert is one of those, but the main guys we're probably planning to rely on until Gallup's return are Lamb, Brown and Pollard. Not saying I agree with that, if it's the plan, just what I feel based on observation.


I think we can get by with Fehoko as their #2 for the time being. I think Houston is a keeper.

I'm not keen on Brown and though he's doing better, I don't think he will amount to being a viable receiver.
 

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I think we can get by with Fehoko as their #2 for the time being. I think Houston is a keeper.

I'm not keen on Brown and though he's doing better, I don't think he will amount to being a viable receiver.

I wouldn't be upset about that.
 

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Agreed!

jimmy garrappollo is a bus driver. Dak is definitely not a bus driver.

Being a bus driver does not mean you are not a leader; it doesn't mean you suck; it just means you have to play within the system. It usually means you rely on a running game. And it means you're not a gunslinger and that you don't take too many risks in terms of INTs.

Being a bus driver is simply a term that means you're not a racecar driver. You just do what you have to do to lead your time to winning.

I apologize if it upsets you that Dak is a bus driver. But being a bus driver doesn't mean you can't throw for over 300 yards, but being a bus driver may have something to do with the record against winning teams. Dak needs a little more talent around him, and probably less penalties, to be able to win.

He's a bus driver.

If that hurts your feelings, I guess it hurts your feelings.

It's not a dis on the guy, even if you take it that way.
 

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Give Tolbert bit of time, WRs take a bit to be ready for NFL… he has the tools and need to learn the nuances that NFL DBs are fast and physical and adjust to that. I think he is improving.

Jake , Turpin , Israel did well , Wright was a disappointment. Backup LB play was not perfect , Cox showed some glimpses but he is probably not 100% yet.
 

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I think we can get by with Fehoko as their #2 for the time being. I think Houston is a keeper.

I'm not keen on Brown and though he's doing better, I don't think he will amount to being a viable receiver.

I just don't know if they view Fehoko as a No. 2 option. He seems to be behind Brown, Tolbert and Houston in the pecking order. Then, there's Pollard ... I really am unsure how they plan to use him. They've been getting him ready to be a receiver and with the options we've got, it makes the most sense to me to have him out there a lot with Elliott since they are two of our best offensive weapons.
 

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I think we can get by with Fehoko as their #2 for the time being. I think Houston is a keeper.

I'm not keen on Brown and though he's doing better, I don't think he will amount to being a viable receiver.
It's pretty clear the coaching staff see's Brown as the #2. The 3 spot is the one that is a little more cloudy with Houston, Tolbert, and Fehoko.
 

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We're about one week away from cutting the roster down to 53. If you ask me, things are looking up for us.

Last year, I finally started to see enough talent on the team to make a run. And we started to do that, but then penalties killed us.

Speaking of penalties, I really didn't think that was a priority in yesterday's game. In fact, I think McCarthy is onto something when he says, "it's the preseason." Well, because it is. There's nearly 100 players out there. All the flags from the refs last week reminded me of the proverbial busy body neighborhood types.

17 flags total.

Total Karens.

That's on the refs.

But back to the point.

Here are my observations

Tight Ends

Say what you will. It's preseason, and we need to wait and see or it's too early to tell anything.

Barring injury, Jake Fergeson will play a long time in the NFL. And he will make more than one Pro Bowl. Sometimes, you can just tell when a player has it. To me, Jake Fergeson is one of those players. He's already there, and he feels comfortable playing at the NFL level.

That said, I think it's possible that Hendershot challenges unless McKeon, if we end up keeping four tight ends. And I think we may since it looks like opposing teams will see quite a bit of 12 personnel.

Tyler Smith

Tyler Smith is like Jake Fergeson. As in, the talent is obvious.

It's early. And it's his rookie year. But I think Tyler Smith is the same kind of player during his career. I can see him playing several years, and attending multiple Pro Bowls. He was simply dominating in the run game again.

That will be the Cowboys bread and butter: running and (hopefully) stopping the run.

Jalen Tolbert

Everyone is down on Tolbert. But he will be fine. I'm not going to make any certain claims about Tolbert. But I'll just say I liked what I saw last night while he was in there. I don't think you can put too much on any player in the preseason, and it'll likely be him who gets the not at #2 going into week one.

I also think he's ultimately up for the challenge.

I think several guys will compete for the 3rd spot, including Kavante Turpin.

Kevante Turpin

This should also be obvious to everyone. This guy changes the dynamic of our team. This guy helps you win games. This guy will be . . . unstoppable, at times, on kick and punt returns. I don't want to say he's the next coming of Deion Sanders, but he's the next coming of Deion Sanders in the return game.

Watch and see. This guy has what it takes. If he can somehow avoid injuries, he's going to be an effective gadget/utility guy. Great pick up by the Cowboys. I like their style, too. USFL guy, cheap contract, low risk, high reward. And, boom, the reward is there. You could see it all over McCarthy's face.


Israel Mukuamu, and Daron Bland

I liked what I saw last year from this player. And I like what I'm seeing this year. I think you have to keep he and Bland, and I think you also have to find ways to get them on the field. With both players, you can plug them in and not lose much. Both solid players, who could end up starting.

Dante Fowler and Trysten Hill

I've heard a lot of talk about cutting Hill and Fowler, but the Cowboys have no business doing that. And I don't see the Cowboys doing it either. Fowler has been a force out there. And I don't see what people are complaining about with Trysten Hill. When he's out there, he's doing just fine.

Will Grier

Cooper Rush stepped it up several notches for the preseason game. But Grier showed why he'll win the #2 spot, which makes me feel a lot better than rolling with Cooper rush. He throws a nice ball. Not quite like DiNucci, but he plays under pressure. And to me, when I look at quarterbacks, I'm peaking at things like their mentality from pre-snap, in the huddle, and under pressure. If a player can play under pressure with the right mentality, then that's what I'm looking for. Grier has that, more so than Rush and DiNucci.

Malik Davis

I liked Malik Davis last week. But I liked Shampklin slightly better in that game. Against the Chargers, I think Malik Davis has already earned the number 3 spot. You could start that guy, and have success behind our line. His running style is strong, he has a deceptively fast burst despite his 4.7 40 time.

If Zeke gets the same injury he had last year, just sit him, and give me Malik Davis. I'm smitten over this player. And he's a big reason why I like our chances at success this year. Because we're not dependent on Zeke. He's easily the 3rd best back on the team.

Final Roster

I'm interested to see how the Cowboys play the 53. And people can talk about how the Cowboys lack talent all they want. we've got depth at almost every position.

The one thing I've been critical of the Cowboys recently has been Dak's success against winning teams. Dak Prescott is your proverbial bus driver type of quarterback. To win, he has to have a good team around him. And I think the Cowboys have quietly assembled a nice team in 2022.

As a fan, I've watched this team for around 30 years. And I like our chances this year as good as any other year I've seen. The Cowboys are a strong team this year, talent wise. It will be up to them to get it done.

And I think McCarthy is just the kind of coach who can help Dak steer the bus in the right direction. We're an improved team from last year on defense, and special teams, and quite likely on offense as well. The additions of Tyler Smith and Ferguson via the draft really help the offense.

As unlikely as it would seem, I think our rookies increase our chances of a successful 2022.
Love flags were down...
 

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Grier is a better player no doubt . Will the coaches make that decision? The organization as a whole seems to have a Cooper Rush comfort zone .

As to Tolbert it makes all the difference in the world when # 4 is throwing the ball as opposed to the number three or back up QB . Tolbert came within a toe drag of a back of the end zone TD last night . He will be fine regular season catching passes thrown by the starter.
 

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Based on pre season game speed Brandon Smith should join Turpin in the WR room come 2022 to start the season . Catches everything thrown his direction . Where have Vasher and Houston been ?
 

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Turpin is more Devin Hester than Deion Sanders.
Deion Sanders was not only taller, he had straight-line speed and vision, meaning he could move up the field (not to the sides) and see holes opening in the middle of the special teams unit. Hester and Turpin had to juke and dodge more than Deion did. Deion didn't have to use as many moves to get in the open field.

It's hard to grade Trysten Hill and Fowler because they've been going against backups. I guess some production is better than none. But their true evaluation is going to be in the regular season.

I agree with you on the receivers, specially Tolbert. I don't think he's ready. But it's hard to read receivers because they're not playing with the starting quarterback. I don't know if I would say Ferguson is going to be a multiple Pro Bowler or even on par with Witten. But he comes from a football family so I figured he would show well early. He'll be in the two-tight end package sooner rather than later.
 

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it all sounded good till you blew it with dak as a bus driver. He is the opposite. All qbs need great players around them. Do you even know what a bus driver is?
I’m glad caught that, why the belief persist with some people, that good/great quarterbacks don’t need a good team around them to win. I’m waiting for someone to point out to me the quarterback that has won anything of significance, without a good team that played well in all phases of the game.
 

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I just don't know if they view Fehoko as a No. 2 option. He seems to be behind Brown, Tolbert and Houston in the pecking order. Then, there's Pollard ... I really am unsure how they plan to use him. They've been getting him ready to be a receiver and with the options we've got, it makes the most sense to me to have him out there a lot with Elliott since they are two of our best offensive weapons.

Fehoko has been solid in the preseason and has been catching TD passes from all our QBs. I don't see the same thing with Brown. In fact, I can't think of a time when Brown has actually caught a TD?

Fehoko's abilities 6'4 and 4.3 in the 40 cannot be overlooked. He would be a nightmare to defend if Dallas can use his abilities as an advantage.
 

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Being a bus driver does not mean you are not a leader; it doesn't mean you suck; it just means you have to play within the system. It usually means you rely on a running game. And it means you're not a gunslinger and that you don't take too many risks in terms of INTs.

Being a bus driver is simply a term that means you're not a racecar driver. You just do what you have to do to lead your time to winning.

I apologize if it upsets you that Dak is a bus driver. But being a bus driver doesn't mean you can't throw for over 300 yards, but being a bus driver may have something to do with the record against winning teams. Dak needs a little more talent around him, and probably less penalties, to be able to win.

He's a bus driver.

If that hurts your feelings, I guess it hurts your feelings.

It's not a dis on the guy, even if you take it that way.

All QBs need talent around them. What was Josh Allen before Stephon Diggs? What was Joe Burrow without Jamar Chase?
 

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It's pretty clear the coaching staff see's Brown as the #2. The 3 spot is the one that is a little more cloudy with Houston, Tolbert, and Fehoko.

What way do they see Brown? Sure he has improved but where the film to back it up? So far Fehoko and Houston seems to be out producing him. Brown cannot run routes like the rest of them as well.
 

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I’m glad caught that, why the belief persist with some people, that good/great quarterbacks don’t need a good team around them to win. I’m waiting for someone to point out to me the quarterback that has won anything of significance, without a good team that played well in all phases of the game.

They cant do it. Maybe Namath? Who knows?
 

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Being a bus driver does not mean you are not a leader; it doesn't mean you suck; it just means you have to play within the system. It usually means you rely on a running game. And it means you're not a gunslinger and that you don't take too many risks in terms of INTs.

Being a bus driver is simply a term that means you're not a racecar driver. You just do what you have to do to lead your time to winning.

I apologize if it upsets you that Dak is a bus driver. But being a bus driver doesn't mean you can't throw for over 300 yards, but being a bus driver may have something to do with the record against winning teams. Dak needs a little more talent around him, and probably less penalties, to be able to win.

He's a bus driver.

If that hurts your feelings, I guess it hurts your feelings.

It's not a dis on the guy, even if you take it that way.

Buddy, it really is pathetic to say, but you have no clue what a bus driver is. And the fact that you think Dak is one, is hilarious.

Racecar driver? LOL

What the heck are you talking about?

Bus driver has NOTHING to do with team record. LOL

My god, this is football 101 stuff.
 

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Give Tolbert bit of time, WRs take a bit to be ready for NFL… he has the tools and need to learn the nuances that NFL DBs are fast and physical and adjust to that. I think he is improving.

Jake , Turpin , Israel did well , Wright was a disappointment. Backup LB play was not perfect , Cox showed some glimpses but he is probably not 100% yet.

Wait............you mean more than 3 quarters with Cooper rush as QB? LOL

These people are hilarious.
 

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Fehoko has been solid in the preseason and has been catching TD passes from all our QBs. I don't see the same thing with Brown. In fact, I can't think of a time when Brown has actually caught a TD?

Fehoko's abilities 6'4 and 4.3 in the 40 cannot be overlooked. He would be a nightmare to defend if Dallas can use his abilities as an advantage.

Brown has not played this preseason. They have treated him like one of the starters, which is why I believe they are viewing him that way. It has also been written multiple times by those at camp that Brown is having the best camp of all the receivers vying for that No. 2 spot.

Frankly, I'm wary if Brown is being viewed as the No. 2 since he's never been more than a No. 4 in the five years he's been here. What that makes me wonder is whether any of these guys has truly stepped up to show themselves to be worthy of the No. 2 spot. I mean, we have seen how Nashon Wright has struggled in the preseason games. If they are beating him regularly in practice, does that really tell us much about their ability to succeed as the No. 2?

I think there's a very good chance that if we go with the current set of receivers while Gallup is sidelined, it is going to be hit and miss. Lamb is the only proven one in the bunch. That's one reason I think Pollard is going to be the de facto No. 2, because he's at least proven that he belongs on an NFL field and deserves more playing time. I don't know, though, even with him if he can regularly get open as a receiver.

The third preseason game should tell us more about what Dallas hopes to do with those No. 2 and 3 receiver spots since we should see the starting lineup at least briefly (although I don't know if we're going to play Elliott, which may skew the plan some). Maybe we'll also at least be able to get some idea if the plan is viable while Gallup is out.
 
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