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[dargonking999]

DO you guys think we should take away FA?

Keep the salary cap and everything else

but instead of when a players contract is up, instead of them having the abilty to sign with any new team, putting the pressure on the team to get the player signed before then, we could take away that and make it to where as the only real FA(maybe get another name for this) will be the players that are cut?

 

[jobberone]

As a player I would fight that to the bitter end. People should be able to work for whom they wish IMO.

Should they do away with the draft? No but I could argue for it in a debate.

 

[dargonking999]

they've always had the draft, but they ahvent always had FA, to me i think they game woudl much better if we could enjoy guys playing for a team a period of time and not getting pulled away because of FA.

 

[blindzebra]

You need a 3rd option, keep it with modifications.

I would like to see a grandfather clause, that would allow teams to keep older players with a lesser cap impact.

I'd much rather have players retire with their origional team than be cap casualties that hang on for a few more years elsewhere.

 

[Novacek84]

Never gonna happen. The Pandora's Box is open. No need to discuss further.

 

[Hostile]

DO you guys think we should take away FA?

Keep the salary cap and everything else

but instead of when a players contract is up, instead of them having the abilty to sign with any new team, putting the pressure on the team to get the player signed before then, we could take away that and make it to where as the only real FA(maybe get another name for this) will be the players that are cut?

It is? Seems pretty nilla to me.

 

[jksmith269]

You need a 3rd option, keep it with modifications.

I would like to see a grandfather clause, that would allow teams to keep older players with a lesser cap impact.

I'd much rather have players retire with their origional team than be cap casualties that hang on for a few more years elsewhere.

They already have this. If a Vet (I don't remember how long of a vet I think 7yrs) signs with a team for the league Min and a min signing bonus they only count 480K against the cap such as I Reese who we just signed for 665K and a 25K signing bonus.

o by signing Reese to a one-year minimum deal, $665,000, and only having to pay the free agent a $25,000 signing bonus, the Cowboys now have the best of both worlds. They have a seven-year veteran who has started 48 games during his NFL career - 33 the past three seasons - but his relatively minor cap charge does not preclude the possibility of a Keith Davis or Lynn Scott or rookie Justin Beriault from still winning the starting job during training camp. Reese will only count $480,000 against the cap since he's a seven-year veteran and only signed a minimum deal.

 

[THUMPER]

You need a 3rd option, keep it with modifications.

I would like to see a grandfather clause, that would allow teams to keep older players with a lesser cap impact.

I'd much rather have players retire with their origional team than be cap casualties that hang on for a few more years elsewhere.

I sent a letter to the league office a few years ago suggesting a similar idea. If a player is still with the team that drafted him after 10 years his salary would not affect the team's cap, i.e. no cap hit to the team. This would reward players and teams who stayed together for 10+ years.

It would have been nice to keep Emmitt with no cost to us besides the roster spot and pay him anything we/he wanted. Same for guys like Jerry Rice and others.

Doing it this way would promote players to stay with teams, teams to hang onto quality older players, and keep the fans happy because their long-time stars would still be around. It would also allow teams to reward players for their loyalty without costing them against the cap.

Needless to say, I never got a response from the NFL.

 

[junk]

I sent a letter to the league office a few years ago suggesting a similar idea. If a player is still with the team that drafted him after 10 years his salary would not affect the team's cap, i.e. no cap hit to the team. This would reward players and teams who stayed together for 10+ years.

It would have been nice to keep Emmitt with no cost to us besides the roster spot and pay him anything we/he wanted. Same for guys like Jerry Rice and others.

Doing it this way would promote players to stay with teams, teams to hang onto quality older players, and keep the fans happy because their long-time stars would still be around. It would also allow teams to reward players for their loyalty without costing them against the cap.

Needless to say, I never got a response from the NFL.

Irregardless of cost, Emmitt wasn't staying when Bill came to town.

 

[Big Country]

they've always had the draft, but they ahvent always had FA, to me i think they game woudl much better if we could enjoy guys playing for a team a period of time and not getting pulled away because of FA.

yuo siad it dued

 

[speedkilz88]

There's no going back, but I wish the nfl in the beginning would have just told the Players Association that they could have the agreed upon percentage of revenues but they(the PA) were responsible for divying out the salaries to the players. That way every team keeps their players unless they cut them and the players get fair compensation. 99.9% of the time a player goes to the highest bidder anyway. Teams also wouldn't have the headache of dealing with agents.

 

[blindzebra]

They already have this. If a Vet (I don't remember how long of a vet I think 7yrs) signs with a team for the league Min and a min signing bonus they only count 480K against the cap such as I Reese who we just signed for 665K and a 25K signing bonus.

I'm talking about when a player has a couple of years left on their contarct and they count several million against the cap.

Not some run of the mill type of guy like Reese, but former all-pros being able to stay with their origional team.

Teams cut players because they cost more than they are worth, but that money was earned when they were younger after they were underpaid on that first contract.

It would be good for the players, the fans, and the team.

 

[SuspectCorner]

and bring back asbestos, flat-world theory, and the ford pinto while your at it.

 

[Trophy#6]

I have no problem with Free Agency, in fact, I like it. I do have a problem with the Salary Cap though, a big one too- it only limits the real teams and welfare-aides the wanna-bes that couldn't make it otherwise.

Free Agency is American...Salary Cap is not- American NFL Football, is American, right? lol

Only the strong should be allowed to survive. If Green Bay and Cincy or Arizona or whoever can't foot the bill of playing in the NFL, then to hell with them, period. They'd either find ways to float (survive) or they wouldn't- why should big market teams carry this slack for the unworthy?

As I seem to remember, moments right after Green Bay made a big fuss about Dallas signing that big Nike contract in 95, they turned right around and found Miller Beer endorsement which was in the same manor and light as our deal. Behavior like that should be banned- they shouldn't be allowed to do one thing while a team like us gets critized by that same very team for doing the same thing...and after the fact too. Hypocricy rules the NFL unfortunatly. Damn Tag to hell- when he took over, that's when the NFL started detiorating(sp).

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm all for getting rid of both FA and the Salary Cap. I do agree with the owners though if you’re going to have FA then you must have a salary cap.

 

[ravidubey]

As a player I would fight that to the bitter end. People should be able to work for whom they wish IMO.

Should they do away with the draft? No but I could argue for it in a debate.

Cool sig, man.

 

[ravidubey]

I'm all for getting rid of both FA and the Salary Cap. I do agree with the owners though if you’re going to have FA then you must have a salary cap.

I'd like to see them ditch the roster limits and leave all players active for a game. Those were stupid rules put in place before free agency and the cap.

The salary cap is the true limit, and the draft distributes the good rookies, so why not let the best prepared team win?

I can see this play into strategy. Some team might retain a horde of defensive backs, another may keep a pool of offensive lineman that they rotate. Everyone would be paid at least the NFL minimum, so you'd have to think twice before frivolously adding players.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd like to see them ditch the roster limits and leave all players active for a game. Those were stupid rules put in place before free agency and the cap.

The salary cap is the true limit, and the draft distributes the good rookies, so why not let the best prepared team win?

I can see this play into strategy. Some team might retain a horde of defensive backs, another may keep a pool of offensive lineman that they rotate. Everyone would be paid at least the NFL minimum, so you'd have to think twice before frivolously adding players.

I agree with allowing teams to have all 53 players active on game day. As for FA and the Cap Football became America's number 1 sport under the old rules and I'm one who thinks if it is not broken don't try and fix it. Today's system leads to nothing but hired guns here today gone tomorrow. Before that teams were almost like family playing their entire careers with one another

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

One thing that I would like to change is franchise tags. I think that a team should only be able to use the tag on a player once after the contract is up. Not multiple times in a row like we have now. If the team and player cannot agree on a new long term contract, then they should part ways.

 

[ravidubey]

I agree with allowing teams to have all 53 players active on game day. As for FA and the Cap Football became America's number 1 sport under the old rules and I'm one who thinks if it is not broken don't try and fix it. Today's system leads to nothing but hired guns here today gone tomorrow. Before that teams were almost like family playing their entire careers with one another

Right, I should not have referred to the roster limits as stupid rules because they certainly served a good purpose before free agency and the salary cap. Roster limits and "inactive" player desgnations were put in place to help control salaries and overhead costs and assure competitive balance on game day, but I think the today the salary cap already does that.