Were Michael Irvin, Keyshawn, et al ultimately right about Roy Williams

[Shotgun Dave]

RW is a poor route runner and gets ZERO separation. I was a big proponent of bringing him here. I was wrong.

Respect.

 

[Eskimo]

See, I don't think he has those skills anymore. In college and earlier in his pro career, he did. Remember how he made Aaron Glenn look like a fool when we played them? And he was really athletic in college. He ran some great 100m times even in high school.

But it's like he's lost all that. Now he's just a big guy with average speed and zero quickness. Very strange.

Like I was saying once before, maybe Roy Williamses just don't age well.

The only thing is that you're either fast or you're slow. You don't go from being fast to slow without a reason at his age. In principle, he's not that old for father time to have stolen his speed without injury given his present level of conditioning which doesn't look to be terrible at the surface.

OTOH, I remarked that when Witten was running downfield on that long completion against Washington it looked like Roy couldn't keep up with him - a lumbering 260 pound TE with 4.7 speed.

I do think this offense could use some more speed. Austin is okay. Felix is above average. Witten is okay. Crayton and Roy look to be below average. We can probably tolerate Crayton being a touch slow because he is quick and can catch the ball in tight which serves him well in the slot. But Roy has to really pick up his speed because his routes, hands are strength are not enough to play the "big WR's game". He just isn't that kind of player.

Anyways, I do agree RW is a lost cause. I just don't want the offense to be handcuffed to him all next year.

I wonder if both parties could just agree that we give him $10M and his freedom and then both sides have a clean break.

 

[Hostile]

that's a mouthful BOY

Yeah and he should have spit it out.

 

[Slashar00]

For all the people who are fine with the WR situation we have now, why not just play with 10 players on offense? Does that sound like a good idea to you? Oh yeah, I guess you need that second wr to block downfield on long runs.

Regardless of how many yards we get or how many points we get, having a crappy WR starting in your lineup is ********. We could get more yards and more points with an adequate one like Crayton. Jerry Jones is ******** for forcing Wade to start Williams or Wade is ******** for playing him. Whichever it is, someone is ********. They don't throw him the ball anymore, they don't trust him, and yet he's taking up very valuable space in this lineup. They just keep him in there to save face. It's completely ridiculous.

How does anyone explain how and why Crayton gets more targets and more catches and more yards in a smaller role than Williams? Williams is probably on the field twice as much, and yet he does nothing. What's he doing? Jogging for exercise?

 

[RainMan]

As long as Roy is getting paid, I keep him around as a 'body.' You know, just in case the light turns on anytime soon.

But if I'm a coach (or maybe Jerry, in our case), I make it abundantly clear to him that his failure this season lies at no one's feet but his own. It's not the QB, it's not the play caller, it's not the line not pass protecting. It's you, you, you. Get out there and shape up, work on the intricacies of the position and become a master of your craft or you will, as you prophetically predicted last month, become a $45 million special teams gunner.

In the meantime, I spend a relatively high pick (top 4 rounds), on a quick-twitch, speedy receiver and work like hell on developing Ogletree.

With a full season to reflect upon now, it was downright embarrassing trotting Roy Williams onto the field as a starting player on a weekly basis. I appreciate his work in the red zone, where he rarely disappointed -- though he wasn't overly exceptional in that regard either. But my gosh, we might as well have rolled McQuistan out at WR every play and had a legitimate extra 'blocker.'

 

[UnoDallas]

we might as well have rolled McQuistan out at WR every play and had a legitimate extra 'blocker.'

the post of the day

 

[Malcolm Kelly]

The only thing is that you're either fast or you're slow. You don't go from being fast to slow without a reason at his age. In principle, he's not that old for father time to have stolen his speed without injury given his present level of conditioning which doesn't look to be terrible at the surface.

OTOH, I remarked that when Witten was running downfield on that long completion against Washington it looked like Roy couldn't keep up with him - a lumbering 260 pound TE with 4.7 speed.

I do think this offense could use some more speed. Austin is okay. Felix is above average. Witten is okay. Crayton and Roy look to be below average. We can probably tolerate Crayton being a touch slow because he is quick and can catch the ball in tight which serves him well in the slot. But Roy has to really pick up his speed because his routes, hands are strength are not enough to play the "big WR's game". He just isn't that kind of player.

Anyways, I do agree RW is a lost cause. I just don't want the offense to be handcuffed to him all next year.

I wonder if both parties could just agree that we give him $10M and his freedom and then both sides have a clean break.

Roy Williams was very fast in college. However, he's had several problems. He has dealt with injuries all of his high school, college, and NFL career. He missed his senior season in high school with a leg injury. In college he always had injuries, usually relatively minor, but he was always nicked up in one way or another. However, he was still very fast and he showed that while working out for the different NFL teams before the draft. However, he kept getting injured in the NFL, including a season ending knee injury one year with the Lions. Also, up until the last off season, Roy was someone who flat out didn't put in the work necessary to get better. He hardly ever lifted weights at UT and that's just an example of how he wouldn't work hard to become a better player. All of these things have added up to slow him down to be what he is today. It's a shame, but he won't ever be the player that he was expected to be coming out of UT.

 

[crazytown41]

I'm not even sure how he got all this hype even before he came to Dallas. He needs to give his PR a raise.

 

[Way 'nuff]

I actually fear Martellus Bennett before Roy Williams. He is garbage.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

We should've known better than to trade for a wide receiver drafted by Detroit. Charles Rodgers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams....hell, I'm not even sure about Calvin Johnson yet - everybody thought Roy was the real deal too. Detroit and wide receivers just don't mix. We should've known better.

 

[dbair1967]

I say cut him loose. What kinda hit would we take if we do that?

I dont think there'd be any cap hit if the CBA doesnt get renewed.

That isnt the issue, the issue is he's guaranateed a bunch of $$$ even if he isnt here. I was thinking I saw 9.5mils somewhere.

It doesnt make sense to cut him. Let him work hard, come to camp and hopefully make an impact in 2010. If he struggles again early on, you reduce his role further and cut him next year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I dont think there'd be any cap hit if the CBA doesnt get renewed.

That isnt the issue, the issue is he's guaranateed a bunch of $$$ even if he isnt here. I was thinking I saw 9.5mils somewhere.

It doesnt make sense to cut him. Let him work hard, come to camp and hopefully make an impact in 2010. If he struggles again early on, you reduce his role further and cut him next year.

Sound allot like we we hoped for last year. It wasn't the what happened then, I doubt it happens now.

 

[802dave]

Heard on GAC the other day - from "inside sources..." that the Cowboys actually think that Jesse Holley likely will be in the mix in 2010. They like his size, speed, etc.

 

[Joe_Fan]

Heard on GAC the other day - from "inside sources..." that the Cowboys actually think that Jesse Holley likely will be in the mix in 2010. They like his size, speed, etc.

Well, he can't be much worse than what got from Roy Williams this year production wise.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I thought we way overpaid on Roy, but was happy that he was here. I really thought he was going to be a player and man was I wrong. That interview where he points out that no plays were called for him in this game is telling. Garrett and Romo don't think he can get the job done in this system.

Credit to the players and staff for keeping this from boiling over this season, but Jerry is going to have to figure out this mess because we can't have Roy starting if they aren't going to look his way at all. Big disadvantage for our offense.

 

[Joe_Fan]

Sound allot like we we hoped for last year. It wasn't the what happened then, I doubt it happens now.

The following quote from Roy pretty much says all we need to know about him and how dedicated he is to getting better:

"Now, next year," he said in late December, "if this is the same thing going on, then I'll be like, 'Oh [expletive], I've got to get my [expletive] together.' But right now, no. It's play ball. I'm good."

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't know about the others, but I believe Michael Irvin was correct.

At first, I thought Michael Irvin was only on Roy Williams' case because he was bitter about Terrell Owens being released.

However, once Michael Irvin revealed that Roy Williams blew him off during Training Camp when he was trying to give him some advice, I gave more credence to his criticisms of Roy Williams.

Regardless, it is painfully obvious that his own Quarterback has lost complete faith in him.

And you know what, I really believe Tony Romo has lost faith in him not because he drops passes but because he runs terrible routes and is often not in the spot he is suppose to be.

And of course, dropping passes and then telling the media that he has the best hands in the NFL doesn't help his Quarterback gain confidence in him either.

 

[Gadfly22]

Simple rule: unless Bill Parcells is involved in the decision, Jerry must never never trade for a wide receiver again. Never.

He should probably not even be allowed to use the words "trade", "receiver" and "first round draft pick" in the same sentence. But that one is harder to police.

 

[Hostile]

Simple rule: unless Bill Parcells is involved in the decision, Jerry must never never trade for a wide receiver again. Never.

He should probably not even be allowed to use the words "trade", "receiver" and "first round draft pick" in the same sentence. But that one is harder to police.

So if Parcells offers us Tedd Ginn for 5 number one picks we should do it?

:wink2:

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

RW is getting $9 million (bonus, I think) guaranteed this spring.

And Jerra is going to have to pay him.

Jerra's stupidity brought this about. So tough Schlitz, Jerra.

Aside from RW's nonproductivity there are issues of Romo and Garrett not having any more confidence in RW; Roy's slow burn and his potential to become a lockerrom distraction. This guy is bad news all the way around.

And to top it off, Ogle is having to wait for the diva from detroit to git out of the way so he can show us his talents.