WFAA Blog: Is the Vikings' Jared Allen really that great?

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by TED MADDEN / WFAA-TV

Posted on January 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM



The pass rush provided by Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware will be a big factor in this game; that topic has gotten considerable attention this week. But what about on the other side? Jared Allen is one of the league's premier pass rushers. And he's been consistent -- over the last three seasons he has gotten 14.5, 14.5, and 15.5 sacks. That's the definition of consistency.

But while Allen put up a good total for 2009 (14.5), his game-by-game numbers were less consistent (as they will be with almost any pass rusher; a guy who ends the season with 16 sacks won't get to that number by getting exactly one sack every game). What stands out with Allen is the two games he played against Green Bay. He had 4.5 sacks in the first meeting, and 3 in the next. More than half of his total number of sacks came in the two games against the Packers.

Keep this in mind - Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers got significantly better at not taking sacks over the last seven games of the season (just 9 total). In Rodgers' first 10 games, including both Vikings games, Rodgers took 41 sacks -- with Allen getting 7.5 on his own.

So what does this tell us? I don't really know ... maybe it's like taking a Colorado Rockies baseball player and trying to factor in the Coors Field effect. Because without the "Aaron Rodgers Effect," Jared Allen would have been much more ordinary this season.
 

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yeah, he's pretty damn good.
 

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l2obert;3228321 said:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yeah, he's pretty damn good.
Agreed. You don't get 14.5 sacks, 14.5 sacks, and 15.5 sacks by not being good.
 

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This is a flawed view IMO. Jared Allen can get after the QB on a consistent basis. Any stats on his QB hits? That may be a little more telling.
 

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wow half his sacks against mr. rodgers the most sacked qb. that's crazy. either way he is a dominant player and very very good. how many sacks has he had each of those 3 years against rodgers?
 

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Don Corleone;3228333 said:
This is a flawed view IMO. Jared Allen can get after the QB on a consistent basis. Any stats on his QB hits? That may be a little more telling.


An even better stat to see would be the % of plays he was doubled. Needing to be accounted for on every play or requiring the offense to dedicate an extra body doesn't show up on stats, but is definitely a difference maker.
 

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...is he great or not?...debatable...good motor?...yes...disruptive?...yes...does an offense need to account for him?...again, yes...the player i think he most resembles is Aaron Kampman in Green Bay...consistent, persistent but streaky...Dallas does'nt want him coming alive sunday...he can ruin a quarterbacks day...

...Adams better eat his wheaties and use the right hearing aid sunday...all i can say...
 

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WoodysGirl;3228316 said:
by TED MADDEN / WFAA-TV

Posted on January 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM



The pass rush provided by Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware will be a big factor in this game; that topic has gotten considerable attention this week. But what about on the other side? Jared Allen is one of the league's premier pass rushers. And he's been consistent -- over the last three seasons he has gotten 14.5, 14.5, and 15.5 sacks. That's the definition of consistency.

But while Allen put up a good total for 2009 (14.5), his game-by-game numbers were less consistent (as they will be with almost any pass rusher; a guy who ends the season with 16 sacks won't get to that number by getting exactly one sack every game). What stands out with Allen is the two games he played against Green Bay. He had 4.5 sacks in the first meeting, and 3 in the next. More than half of his total number of sacks came in the two games against the Packers.

Keep this in mind - Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers got significantly better at not taking sacks over the last seven games of the season (just 9 total). In Rodgers' first 10 games, including both Vikings games, Rodgers took 41 sacks -- with Allen getting 7.5 on his own.

So what does this tell us? I don't really know ... maybe it's like taking a Colorado Rockies baseball player and trying to factor in the Coors Field effect. Because without the "Aaron Rodgers Effect," Jared Allen would have been much more ordinary this season.


7 < 1/2 of 14

just sayin

:D
 

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Don Corleone;3228333 said:
This is a flawed view IMO. Jared Allen can get after the QB on a consistent basis. Any stats on his QB hits? That may be a little more telling.

Well Don, according to football focus Jared has 35 QB pressures and 14 QB hits. That ties him for 4th in QB pressures among 4-3 ends. He is tied for 7th in QB hits among 4-3 ends. Yeah, he's pretty good.
 

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In all seriousness I was going to start a thread earlier about how I dont think Adams will have too much trouble with Allen..Allen just isn't the type of player that typically gives Flozell fits.
 

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goliadmike;3228374 said:
Well Don, according to football focus Jared has 35 QB pressures and 14 QB hits. That ties him for 4th in QB pressures among 4-3 ends. He is tied for 7th in QB hits among 4-3 ends. Yeah, he's pretty good.

Thank you sir! Now that is a little more telling. Just because he doesn't sack a QB not named Rodgers doesn't mean he can't apply pressure on a consistent basis and force bad throws. Thanks for posting the stats!
 

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Don Corleone;3228378 said:
Thank you sir! Now that is a little more telling. Just because he doesn't sack a QB not named Rodgers doesn't mean he can't apply pressure on a consistent basis and force bad throws. Thanks for posting the stats!

Oh and another thing, that guy on the other side of him Ray Edwards has 9 sacks, 22 QB hits (1st among 4-3 DEs), 35 QB pressures (4th tied with Allen). Our offensive line is going to have their hands full. We cannot get into too many 3rd and longs.

One thing I did notice about Ray Edwards is that he is the most penalized DE among the 4-3 ends with 9, however 4 of them were declined.
 

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Put it another way.
Since 2005 DWare has had 65.5 sacks, he is ARGUABLY the best pass rusher in the league.
Allen has 63 in the same time frame.

For comparison Harrison has 37.5.

Ware has 1 interception, Allen 2.
DWare 18 passes defended, Allen 32.
DWare has 23 forced fumbles, Allen 21.
Allen also has 3 safeties.

The guy is a monster with a non stop motor. Like I said before, this is as close to Ware as you will find in the league.
And he was born

in Dallas. :p:
 

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I haven't watched a ton of games, but he reminds me of a guy like Aaron Schobel...except better.

What I mean is that he doesn't seem to completely dominate games like Michael Strahan (as much as I hate to say it) used to. So he might get 2 sacks in a game...but only end up with three pressures. That's something I think the Cowboys could deal with. As long as he isn't in the backfield all day, and I don't think he will be, his presence shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
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