WFAA Blog: Is the Vikings' Jared Allen really that great?

[Bill Wooten]

My concern is how often he hits the QB low around the knees.

 

[dmq]

The Green Bay Games, Allen played against a back up. The Chicago game, Allen got his 2 sacks in the 4th when the game was out of reach and Cutler had to go for the big play to get some points. That is 9 1/2 sacks and I didn't even research what happened in the Detroit/Carolina/Giant games. I know it is a good total, but I'm not worried about him. With the health of this line, OL is the least of my concerns.

 

[TD-33]

The Green Bay Games, Allen played against a back up. The Chicago game, Allen got his 2 sacks in the 4th when the game was out of reach and Cutler had to go for the big play to get some points. That is 9 1/2 sacks and I didn't even research what happened in the Detroit/Carolina/Giant games. I know it is a good total, but I'm not worried about him. With the health of this line, OL is the least of my concerns.

You can't [seriously] discredit a guy's body of work over a 5 year span because he faced a backup here and there when we know all pass rushers face backup linemen at times. That's pretty damn arrogant.


I'm through w/ this thread lol.

 

[dmq]

You can't [seriously] discredit a guy's body of work over a 5 year span because he faced a backup here and there when we know all pass rushers face backup linemen at times. That's pretty damn arrogant.

Why can't I? I don't think he is great. I think he is above average, but not great. As I said, I'm not worried about him. I have watched him play. If anything, he is the prototypical player that Flo can handle. He is big and overpowering w/ ok speed. Flo has problems with the little speed DEs. Also, I have made no statements as to what is going to happen in this game. I just think the Flo-Allen matchup is a good one for us.

 

[goliadmike]

You can't [seriously] discredit a guy's body of work over a 5 year span because he faced a backup here and there when we know all pass rushers face backup linemen at times. That's pretty damn arrogant.


I'm through w/ this thread lol.

Yes, if we are using that criteria then you have to take away Ware's sacks in the New Orleans game because he was going up against a back in that game. Bottom line is that Minnesota has a good defensive line and it will be interesting to see how our guys handle the Vikes. I have a feeling the defensive lines for both teams are going to dominate this game and cause problems for the offenses. I would be surprised to see either team score in the thirties.

 

[thechosen1n2]

This is a flawed view IMO. Jared Allen can get after the QB on a consistent basis. Any stats on his QB hits? That may be a little more telling.

Thank You..

 

[Doctor32]

Ted Madden is a good pick up hoops player.

 

[Hostile]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yeah, he's pretty damn good.

Scoot over, I need a seat on that limb.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Just looking up some more numbers and just doing that.

2008 - 10.5 of his 14.5 in 5 games. Teams he got his 10 against, Chicago x2 (4.5), Detroit (2), Houston (2), Arizona (2).

If he gets you for one, he's going to get you for more than one. 2007 stats are similar. Lots of games with 2 sacks.

 

[Derinyar]

Very good player. Not really over rated, hasn't played in the best divisions, but one can't hold that against him. He could easily spoil our day if we don't play him well.

 

[Nav22]

He has 2 sacks total in his last 5 games. And he finished 8 games this year with 0 sacks.

Breaking his sack totals into the 4 "quarters" of the season...

1st Quarter (games 1-4): 6.5 sacks
2nd Quarter (games 5-8): 4 sacks
3rd Quarter (games 9-12): 2 sacks
4th Quarter (games 13-16): 2 sacks

As previously stated, 7.5 of his sacks came in the 2 games against Rodgers. And the 2 sacks he had in the "3rd quarter" of the season came in 1 game against Cutler and the Bears.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

by TED MADDEN / WFAA-TV

Posted on January 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM



The pass rush provided by Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware will be a big factor in this game; that topic has gotten considerable attention this week. But what about on the other side? Jared Allen is one of the league's premier pass rushers. And he's been consistent -- over the last three seasons he has gotten 14.5, 14.5, and 15.5 sacks. That's the definition of consistency.

But while Allen put up a good total for 2009 (14.5), his game-by-game numbers were less consistent (as they will be with almost any pass rusher; a guy who ends the season with 16 sacks won't get to that number by getting exactly one sack every game). What stands out with Allen is the two games he played against Green Bay. He had 4.5 sacks in the first meeting, and 3 in the next. More than half of his total number of sacks came in the two games against the Packers.

Keep this in mind - Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers got significantly better at not taking sacks over the last seven games of the season (just 9 total). In Rodgers' first 10 games, including both Vikings games, Rodgers took 41 sacks -- with Allen getting 7.5 on his own.

So what does this tell us? I don't really know ... maybe it's like taking a Colorado Rockies baseball player and trying to factor in the Coors Field effect. Because without the "Aaron Rodgers Effect," Jared Allen would have been much more ordinary this season.

to me this suggests he gets up for BIG games

 

[SaltwaterServr]

to me this suggests he gets up for BIG games

Nav22's post right above yours suggests that he does, but only in the first half of the season. He registered sacks in only 3 of the last 8 games. None of those other 5 were big games?

 

[Clove]

I don't think Romo is concerned at all since he doesn't mind giving up a good old sack every now and then.

And this is what's made Romo take another step in his greatness, is he will live to see another day. I don't know if most have noticed this but Romo has this weired ability to over come 2nd and longs, third and longs so if the guy sacks him, congrats to him.

Won't stop what we're trying to do unless Romo is constantly running for his life.

 

[Clove]

Let me add this. It just sounds like a lot of people are scared or worried about the Boys, but geesh, all we heard about is how explosive DeSean Jackson was, and those other receivers and McNabb, and how their defense was dominant.

If anything, Favre had better worry about Ware and Spencer breathing down their throat, and Jenkins making a pick six.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Nav22's post right above yours suggests that he does, but only in the first half of the season. He registered sacks in only 3 of the last 8 games. None of those other 5 were big games?

in light of the Brett Favre vs his old team the Green Bay Packers...I would argue those were the TWO biggest games of the year for the Vikings prior to this weeks game

At the end of the day....NONE of this stuff matters. Flo outweighs him by 100 pounds. There is nothing NEW under the sun in this scenario. Run RIGHT at him....stay in his chest/pads....make him start thinking about summer vacation. This might be wishful thinking....but that was what Larry Allen and Erik Williams used to do. Actually, there were games where guys would rather walk the sideline in street clothes than to face Larry Allen. But I digress. Back to today, Flo needs to punch him every play in the first quarter and this guy will long for the hot tub. Look at him physically, does not look like the weight room is his friend.

 

[Alexander]

Allen will get his pressures.

However, I do not see him taking over the game to the extent it is going to create huge problems for the offense unless we pass the ball more than we should. It is just that simple.

Some are paranoid about Adams handling him. To me, it is a better matchup for us than either of the two tackles the Vikings have facing our pass rushers. In terms of disruption, I worry more about the things we might not be focusing on, namely blitzing, interior pressure from Kevin Williams and also their other end Edwards going up against a very ragged Colombo.

They will all have to be accounted for. If Allen is all we have to worry about and everyone else is controlled, it should not be an issue.

 

[burmafrd]

As has been pointed out its the little speed rushers that tend to give the Hotel problems. Allen is someone he has handled in the past. Not really worried. Colombo will probably need some help but thats OK. They have no real inside rush without blitzing which would worry me more.

I predict that the Hotel will allow no more then at most 2 Visitors to the Tony Romo room!