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T.O. Is Not The Problem
3:29 PM Thu, Jan 15, 2009 | Permalink
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There's no question that T.O. is not the player he once was. But he still has the ability to change a game, provided he's on the same page as his quarterback and his coaches.

Sadly, that was not the case much of last season.

As soon as Roy Williams arrived on the scene from Detroit, it seemed like Jason Garrett tried too hard to get all his receivers involved and the Cowboys offense seemed watered down. Losing Marion Barber as a running threat certainly didn't help either.

But instead of blaming Owens as a convenient scapegoat, the Cowboys coaching staff needs to better utilize him. Make him work for you. It's too easy to say T.O. is breaking up the team and that the best decision is to get rid of him. It's the easy way out.

If he indeed stays, Garrett needs to stay out of these battles with Owens and simply come up with an offensive plan that puts his talented receiver in the right places at the right times. You notice he's ineffective in a certain route or a short slant? Then stop using those plays. Play to T.O.'s strengths...he still has many.

I don't doubt that Owens can be a disruptive force in the locker room. But listen to his teammates....they like the guy. They get a kick out of him.

T.O. is not the problem. Maybe a symptom...but not the problem.
 

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Dave_in-NC;2578685 said:
You get rid of problems by eliminating symptoms.


You obviously don't grasp the dynamics of problem/symptom. Treating a symptom masks the problem. It's not rocket surgery.
 

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Dave_in-NC;2578685 said:
You get rid of problems by eliminating symptoms.

skinsscalper;2578692 said:
You obviously don't grasp the dynamics of problem/symptom. Treating a symptom masks the problem. It's not rocket surgery.
:laugh2:
 

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I love the hidden qualifier in his logic.

If Jason Garrett does his job, iOwens will not act like a fool and destroy the team.

That isn't how it works. Terrell Owens shouldn't have built in excuses for his eratic, diva, divisive, and selfish behavior. There should be consequences for his behavior. You should respect your coaches.

The Cowboys stood by and did nothing. It's too late to "warn" him. The lockerroom was set ablaze by Team Oblitorater.

He's the weakest link.

Good-bye.
 

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41gy#;2578714 said:
I love the hidden qualifier in his logic.

If Jason Garrett does his job, iOwens will not act like a fool and destroy the team.

That isn't how it works. Terrell Owens shouldn't have built in excuses for his eratic, diva, divisive, and selfish behavior. There should be consequences for his behavior. You should respect your coaches.

The Cowboys stood by and did nothing. It's too late to "warn" him. The lockerroom was set ablaze by Team Oblitorater.

He's the weakest link.

Good-bye.
The only thing Owens did "wrong" this season was criticize Jason Garrett. Sure, you wish players would keep such complaints internal, but you can't say he's wrong in criticizing Garrett. He knew something was wrong and spoke up long before most of us even realized it. By the end of the year you had other teams laughing at Garrett's offense and even Tony "Mr. Coachspeak" Romo criticizing him.
 

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WFAA Blog: T.O. Is Not The Problem
T.O. Is Not The Problem
3:29 PM Thu, Jan 15, 2009 | Permalink
David Marcus
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There's no question that T.O. is not the player he once was. But he still has the ability to change a game, provided he's on the same page as his quarterback and his coaches.

Sadly, that was not the case much of last season.

As soon as Roy Williams arrived on the scene from Detroit, it seemed like Jason Garrett tried too hard to get all his receivers involved and the Cowboys offense seemed watered down. Losing Marion Barber as a running threat certainly didn't help either.

But instead of blaming Owens as a convenient scapegoat, the Cowboys coaching staff needs to better utilize him. Make him work for you. It's too easy to say T.O. is breaking up the team and that the best decision is to get rid of him. It's the easy way out.

If he indeed stays, Garrett needs to stay out of these battles with Owens and simply come up with an offensive plan that puts his talented receiver in the right places at the right times. You notice he's ineffective in a certain route or a short slant? Then stop using those plays. Play to T.O.'s strengths...he still has many.

I don't doubt that Owens can be a disruptive force in the locker room. But listen to his teammates....they like the guy. They get a kick out of him.

T.O. is not the problem. Maybe a symptom...but not the problem.
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This I totally agree with, granted T O gets disruptive when the cowboys are losing, and T O isnt getting the ball.

Where the problem started is back in december in 2007, when the media tried to remind good ole laid back wade philllips that the cowboys falter in december. Wade said everything is ok, refusing to listen.

Instead wade said, everything is ok, we won a playoff game, the bye week.

Next, the attitude of hard work and practice in december carried onto the offseasoning conditioning. Finally winding up in training camp, when good ole wade didnt let the players work out in pads and hitting for the first 25 days.

Granted the players want to be treated like professionals, but when you as players dont show no desire, heart, attitude to want to win in december and january. then its the players attitude.

You dont correct that with more time off, when you lose games, or not working in pads and hitting in practice.

Even nate newton said, the cowboys in the 90s were faster in their pads hitting and working out then the cowboys of 2008 in training camp. Now, that says alot right there.

Then, with the laid back attitude, of this team and the coaches, not working them, keeping them in shape, the cowboys fizzled out again this time in mid season. Made a run at the late of the year, but too little too late.

That is where in the problem is. This team when the team took on the attitude of good ole wade, and said everything will be ok, but wasnt. When the owner has to go into the lockerroom and chew out some rear ends.

When the last game of the year, after the cowboys got smoked by the eagles, some of the dallas cowboys players were laughing, and cutting up on the plane.

THAT IS THE REAL BIGGEST PROBLEM ON THIS TEAM,NO BACKBONE FROM THE COACHING STAFF, AND NO FIRE FROM MOST OF THE PLAYERS!

TILL THAT IS CORRECTED, THIS TEAM WILL GO NOWHERE.

When your starting QB whom is suppose to be the leader of this team, says, we will try to win next year and go to the super bowl, if we do fine, if we dont, and dont go to the playoffs no big deal.

Thats the attitude on this team, till that is fixed, and players have to be accountable to the fans, and media, this will never change on this team.

Players should have to go into nursing homes where some older people that care about the cowboys, were crying after the cowboys got beat, those players that were laughing and cutting up on the plane, should be made to answer to jerry jones and the fans, why they dont give a darn about winning, and why they are happy and content when they lose.

Its like Jimmy Johnson told his players one time after they lost to the Commanders. Jimmy Johnson said, I hate to lose and so should you, some of the players on this team could care less. All they want some of them is to get money, etc, .

Till Jerry Jones gets a head coach that hates to lose again, and make the players hate to lose, or gets players that hate to lose, and players that wants to be winners and be champions.

You become champions by working hard, practicing hard, and the coaches getting and preparing the players to be prepared for whatever comes up in the game. Last year, certain times, you could tell this team had no ideal, some of the things that were sprung on them by opposing teams.

You dont do that, by being a laid back,everythiing is going to be ok, head coach.
 

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41gy#;2578714 said:
I love the hidden qualifier in his logic.

If Jason Garrett does his job, iOwens will not act like a fool and destroy the team.

That isn't how it works. Terrell Owens shouldn't have built in excuses for his eratic, diva, divisive, and selfish behavior. There should be consequences for his behavior. You should respect your coaches.

The Cowboys stood by and did nothing. It's too late to "warn" him. The lockerroom was set ablaze by Team Oblitorater.

He's the weakest link.

Good-bye.

Why isn't it how it works? Garrett underachieved with the talent he was given. Yet Owens is the 'bad guy' for daring to mention it? Better to sit back and waste the season I guess.

I'll tell you what the real problem is, the Cowboys don't have anyone with the sack to deal with a strong personality - not the owner, not the head coach, and not the offensive coordinator. And that's on each of them.

They need to look in the mirror for the problem.

If their solution is to get rid of Owens, they're cowards. Cowards who don't have the guts to stand up to their players.

And if Garrett is threatening to leave if Owens stays - see ya. Dealing with players is part of a coach's job. You can'y do that, stop coaching.

How soon until the next 'difficult player' needs to go so neither of the 'delicate coaches' feels bad?

It won't fix the root of the problem.
 

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skinsscalper;2578692 said:
You obviously don't grasp the dynamics of problem/symptom. Treating a symptom masks the problem. It's not rocket surgery.

:lmao2:
 

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Genius.

Every man and his dog was complaining that we needed to get Romo to spread the ball around, get all his recievers involved... and along comes Einstein and complains that exactly the opposite was the case.
 

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There's a saying in the medical community: to treat the problem, you have to treat the symptoms, too. Seems like taking care of this symptom, i.e., TO, then you are treating the problem, too.
 

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the DoNkEy PuNcH;2578750 said:
There's a saying in the medical community: to treat the problem, you have to treat the symptoms, too. Seems like taking care of this symptom, i.e., TO, then you are treating the problem, too.


To a certain extent, yes. However, symptoms themselves are not the problem. They are merely evidence of a problem. You read (and treat) symptoms in an attempt to reach a diagnosis.

Putting a heroin addict on methadone doesn't treat the problem it's a remedy for the symptom. The problem is an addiction. The symptom was an addiction to heroin. In fact the problem often lies deeper than the drug itself. "Why is this person an addict" is more suited to solving the problem than treating the "symptom" with nothing more than addiction to a different drug.

T.O. is the heroin, appeasing an ill-concieved offense and crappy OC is the methadone, Jerry Jones and this inept organization from the GM down to the STs coach is the "why is this person an addict" riddle.

Cutting/keeping T.O. (or Garret for that matter) won't solve anything without cutting to the root of the REAL problem.

Axing T.O./Garrett is a symptom treatment. In the end there's still a disease left uncured.
 

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skinsscalper;2578692 said:
You obviously don't grasp the dynamics of problem/symptom. Treating a symptom masks the problem. It's not rocket surgery.


:lmao2:
 

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My daughter said that to me the other day and I thought it was hilarious. Been dying to use it ever since.
 

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theogt;2578717 said:
The only thing Owens did "wrong" this season was criticize Jason Garrett. Sure, you wish players would keep such complaints internal, but you can't say he's wrong in criticizing Garrett. He knew something was wrong and spoke up long before most of us even realized it. By the end of the year you had other teams laughing at Garrett's offense and even Tony "Mr. Coachspeak" Romo criticizing him.

If you don't see the cause and effect sequence in your own post, then we just need to stop talking about this--obviously some of us differ greatly on our understanding of cause and effect.

Hey, mutinies are fun--let's all join in!
 

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Owens & Romo had a great season when our O-line was considered one of the best in the league.

We need 1000 threads about fixing our g0t-damn O-line, not about T.O.

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