WFAA: No Excuses: How Jason Garrett Became NFL Coach Of The Year

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are people still criticizing Garrett for playcalling?

 

[khiladi]

I can barely follow your arguments here, because they aren't really attached to anything except some of your wild guesses. Nobody's flip flopping just because you can't or won't bother to support your own argument. If you say Garrett fans were bashing Tony Romo, it really ought not be hard to show where it happened. If you can't back it up, the rest of us should just disregard your take completely as it isn't based on anything you can demonstrate to be real.

League-wide recognition the last few years does not 'have him sucking.' It has him as NFL coach of the year. Typically, less than a third of the league's head coaches call their own plays. If Jerry said explicitly we 'don't want Jason Garrett on the offense' then that really ought to be a pretty easy quote for you to find, too. I do't remember seeing that one, either.

I didn't defend Jason as a play caller, other than to point out that most of you guys simply have no idea what you're talking about when you blame anybody's play calling. I'm actually not a big fan of Garrett's offense, and I'd agree that Linehan is a better play caller than Jason was. That's not inconsistent with anything I've ever said about Jason Garrett. It's true, though, that his offenses were all generally pretty competitive on a per-series basis, which is the right way to look at their performance in the first place.

Of course you follow my arguments, which is why you proceed to write an extensive essay about how you didn't defend him, but in the end did defend him by talking about a per-series basis as a defense of his offense and play calling. That was always your history and you always blamed the defense...

The same guy that gave him an extension which you use as proof of 'being right' was that same guy stripped him of play-calling duties and said he would be a walk-around coach and that they don't have a defined scope for him, but they'll figure it out.. I guess that same guy didn't think your 'per-series' basis was the right way to look at an offensive performance either, nor did Garrett himself when Rex Ryan was fired and he blamed lack of TOs for not giving his offense more opportunities..

The only redemption in the 13-3 is that the people who were criticizing Jason for sucking as a playcaller were right.. but of course the Garrett homers see it as some sort of redemption for their view, despite the fact that it came when Jerry took the reigns from him and their most well known quality as a team, the OL, was built by a guy who came here by 'accident' totally rebuilt the scheme and running game and Jason fought and sabotaged him as well.. of Sparano didn't take the Jets job, we'd be trying to return to 2007.. That's the direction of Jason Garrett, absolutely clueless.. don't forget the switch from 3-4 to 4-3 years back and his homers are still blaming the defense..

 

[Idgit]

Of course you follow my arguments, which is why you proceed to write an extensive essay about how you didn't defend him, but in the end did defend him by talking about a per-series basis as a defense of his offense. That was always your history and you always blamed the defense...

The same guy that gave him an extension which you use as proof of 'being right' happened when that same guy stripped him of play-calling duties and said he would be a walk-around coach and that they don't have a defined scope for him, but they'll figure it out..

I didn't follow your argument, but I was able to guess the direction you were going in, which was that 'Garrett sucked as a coordinator.' Not exactly cryptic.

Just because I know your opinion doesn't mean I follow your argument. Lots of people believe things for bad reasons.

I notice you didn't provide the source for your interpretation of the Jerry quote, for the record. And, yes, the fact that Jerry gave him a 5 year extension when most of you thought the guy would be fired outright is a vote of confidence in JGs favor no matter how you want to try to misinterpret it. That's screamingly obvious. And again, it's not unusual for a coach to not have play calling duties in this league. It's actually the norm.

The fact that Jerry wanted Jason to be freed up of that responsibility doesn't mean very much. We appear to have approved on both ends of that deal, with the game management getting better (I know many of you guys will howl that it has not improved, but in actuality it has, too) as well as the play calling. Not sure how that's a bad thing.

 

[khiladi]

I didn't follow your argument, but I was able to guess the direction you were going in, which was that 'Garrett sucked as a coordinator.' Not exactly cryptic.

Just because I know your opinion doesn't mean I follow your argument. Lots of people believe things for bad reasons.

I notice you didn't provide the source for your interpretation of the Jerry quote, for the record. And, yes, the fact that Jerry gave him a 5 year extension when most of you thought the guy would be fired outright is a vote of confidence in JGs favor no matter how you want to try to misinterpret it. That's screamingly obvious. And again, it's not unusual for a coach to not have play calling duties in this league. It's actually the norm.

The fact that Jerry wanted Jason to be freed up of that responsibility doesn't mean very much. We appear to have approved on both ends of that deal, with the game management getting better (I know many of you guys will howl that it has not improved, but in actuality it has, too) as well as the play calling. Not sure how that's a bad thing.

of course you have seen those Jerry quotes the countless times I have posted on this issue, but pretending like you didn't, just like you pretend you didn't defend Garrett's play-calling is expected and no surprise..

Additionally your attributing an argument that I thought Garrett was going to get fired, looking for some irrelevant points to make you feel better is no surprise either. You very well know I've called Garrett Jerry's adopted son countless times and the only reason he's still got a job..

Additionally, now your saying Jerry wanted him to be freed up of responsibility as some type of defense. Of course we improved, because Garrett sucked at those things you defended him for. So basically you have no argument.

Wow, he's 'improved' his game management skills.. 10 years to improve 'game management' while Romo was getting blasted for 40 sacks a year and no running game to back him up.. well, if Jerry listened to Wade years ago, maybe we could have improved his running game management skills instead of wasting Tony Romo and Witten's best years here.. Now Garrett is freed of responsibility and all that 'TRAINING' in play-calling and game planning per Jerry's own words has led him to his improve only his game-management skills.. hell, his first three years here he only handled the offense, meaning less responsibility, and he sucked at it..

 

[cml750]

Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson made improvements every year and stayed on top when they did. Garrett has been consistent in mediocrity and blowing chances at the playoffs 3 years in a row, against NFC East opponents that were absolute garbage the year before. The exact second they removed him completely away from the OC duties, they made the playoffs. Hell, forget even the fact that another guy Garrett feared and sabotaged, Bill Callahan built the OL and running game here and they lucked into him, while Jerry and Jason were trying to get Sparano back to 'reproduce' the 2007 season, but he took the Jets job.

People should be HOT we wasted the best years of Romo with this clown and here they are basking in a Coach of the year award for basically nothing he really did except clap...

 

[Bleu Star]

What's your point here? That people that don't think Garrett is all that great are wrong?

Nah. Not at all. I was once the ring leader of that circus. Just that COTY isn't a reward taken lightly when choosing who deserves such an honor.

 

[Bleu Star]

The team went from 4-12 to 13-3 and the #1 seed and we accomplished it with a rookie QB that was drafted in the 4th round. That's how Garrett became coach of the year.

Lol... Ppl let their personal feelings cloud their judgment.

 

[Bleu Star]

Are people still criticizing Garrett for playcalling?

 

[KJJ]

Lol... Ppl let their personal feelings cloud their judgment.

No kidding. lol

 

[Idgit]

of course you have seen those Jerry quotes the countless times I have posted on this issue, but pretending like you didn't, just like you pretend you didn't defend Garrett's play-calling is expected and no surprise..

Additionally your attributing an argument that I thought Garrett was going to get fired, looking for some irrelevant points to make you feel better is no surprise either. You very well know I've called Garrett Jerry's adopted son countless times and the only reason he's still got a job..

Additionally, now your saying Jerry wanted him to be freed up of responsibility as some type of defense. Of course we improved, because Garrett sucked at those things you defended him for. So basically you have no argument.

Wow, he's 'improved' his game management skills.. 10 years to improve 'game management' while Romo was getting blasted for 40 sacks a year and no running game to back him up.. well, if Jerry listened to Wade years ago, maybe we could have improved his running game management skills instead of wasting Tony Romo and Witten's best years here.. Now Garrett is freed of responsibility and all that 'TRAINING' in play-calling and game planning per Jerry's own words has led him to his improve only his game-management skills.. hell, his first three years here he only handled the offense, meaning less responsibility, and he sucked at it..

That's not how it works. You make a claim, you support it. Otherwise it rightfully gets disregarded. We're not expected to weed through your post history to try to find evidence that you supported the opinion at one point.

You're so far outside the realm of reality on the Garrett stuff it's not worth reeling you in. Believe what you want. He's here to stay and he's built a contender. The fact you don't want to admit it doesn't change anything.

 

[khiladi]

That's not how it works. You make a claim, you support it. Otherwise it rightfully gets disregarded. We're not expected to weed through your post history to try to find evidence that you supported the opinion at one point.

You're so far outside the realm of reality on the Garrett stuff it's not worth reeling you in. Believe what you want. He's here to stay and he's built a contender. The fact you don't want to admit it doesn't change anything.

But you can spend your time writing novels that address none of the points that are a natural extension of the position that Jerry basically said Garrett can't coach offense worth anything, only to now 'challenge' that position, because you had nothing better to offer other then basically confirming what I said anyways when you said Jerry wanted Jason to have 'less responsibility'...

We all know your pretending that you don't know.

How about you provide a claim that Jerry removed Jason from the OC position because he wanted him to have 'less responsibility' as something different then he couldn't the job done?

 

[Sydla]

Nah. Not at all. I was once the ring leader of that circus. Just that COTY isn't a reward taken lightly when choosing who deserves such an honor.

Well sure but then again COTY doesn't also mean the winner is a legit, upper echelon coach either............. unless you think Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis fit into that category as well.

 

[Idgit]

But you can spend your time writing novels that address none of the points that are a natural extension of the position that Jerry basically said Garrett can't coach offense worth anything, only to now 'challenge' that position, because you had nothing better to offer other then basically confirming what I said anyways when you said Jerry wanted Jason to have 'less responsibility'...

We all know your pretending that you don't know.

How about you provide a claim that Jerry removed Jason from the OC position because he wanted him to have 'less responsibility' as something different then he couldn't the job done?

Jerry didn't basically say anything of the sort. I've asked you to quote what you're talking about, you don't want to. What else is there to say? You've got your opinion, it's sourceless, and you're not interested in defending it. So it ought to be completely disregarded by the rest of us. Pretty simple.

 

[Bleu Star]

Well sure but then again COTY doesn't also mean the winner is a legit, upper echelon coach either............. unless you think Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis fit into that category as well.

I think they both did when they won those awards AND they're both good coaches.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett is being credited for more than just his on field skills or lack thereof which is really the only criticism I've ever heard of him.

I've yet to hear any criticism of how he's able to coexist and overcome the dysfunctional GM we have .

I haven't heard any criticism on his influence he's had over Jerry and Stephen on draft day which has propelled this team.

I haven't heard any criticism on how this team always seem to play hard for him even when it's totally outmatched like last year but still contending.

And I haven't heard any criticism on how he has brought back class and respect to our franchise with his persona.

Garrett resembles everything you'd want in a HC especially under the circumstances we have where no one really expects anyone to have much success with Jerry.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Garrett: ok boys its third and 7, we need a big play here so I called a running play.

TO: you mother........
Austin : huh?

 

[khiladi]

Jerry didn't basically say anything of the sort. I've asked you to quote what you're talking about, you don't want to. What else is there to say? You've got your opinion, it's sourceless, and you're not interested in defending it. So it ought to be completely disregarded by the rest of us. Pretty simple.

I've quoted it plenty of times on here. That's really a simple fact.

The irony which you don't get, is your the one who affirmed it by saying Jerry wanted to free him up of responsibilities. So you accepted the premise and after realizing that it puts you in a bind, your now asking for proof which you know exists by your original answer.

 

[khiladi]

Garrett is being credited for more than just his on field skills or lack thereof which is really the only criticism I've ever heard of him.

I've yet to hear any criticism of how he's able to coexist and overcome the dysfunctional GM we have .

I haven't heard any criticism on his influence he's had over Jerry and Stephen on draft day which has propelled this team.

I haven't heard any criticism on how this team always seem to play hard for him even when it's totally outmatched like last year but still contending.

And I haven't heard any criticism on how he has brought back class and respect to our franchise with his persona.

Garrett resembles everything you'd want in a HC especially under the circumstances we have where no one really expects anyone to have much success with Jerry.

I won't even address the majority of the baseless assertions in this post.. the main point to get home is if it weren't for Jerry, Jason wouldn't have a job as a coach in the NFL, other than a minor role.

Jerry tolerated all the mistakes of Garrett, including refusing to get him help on the running game when Wade was HC, hiring Garrett's brother to be TE coach, followed by passing game coordinator and attempting to force Jason's brothers pet project Kevin Ogletree into the offense. He took Felix Jones over Chris Johnson because of Jason, though Wade said Johnson is better. Jerry went and leveraged a draft to get Garrett Roy Williams to improve a stagnant offense. Jerry tolerated Jason interfering with Callahan as playcaller, though Callahan built the OL and the running game.

And Jason's father is a right hand man of Garrett.

Jason Garrett is still the HC of the Cowboys because of nepotism. He had 8 years of control of the offense and Jerry FINAlLY took the reigns away because Jason failed at it and wasn't getting any better.

 

[Idgit]

I've quoted it plenty of times on here. That's really a simple fact.

The irony which you don't get, is your the one who affirmed it by saying Jerry wanted to free him up of responsibilities. So you accepted the premise and after realizing that it puts you in a bind, your now asking for proof which you know exists by your original answer.

You may or may not have quoted it many times, there's no way for any of us to know unless we make a guess as to what your'e referring to and go check your post history elsewhere. Nobody's doing that. All I know is that you're saying something unsubstantiated that I have no recollection of ever seeing elsewhere, and when I ask you to verify it, you won't. This makes me suspect it's your interpretation of what was said, and that could be anything form right on to wildly inaccurate.

Your second statement is not irony. It also doesn't follow that Jerry saying he wants Jason concentrating on something other than play calling puts any of my arguments in this thread in a bind. If the team thinks there are other ways to use staff resources more efficiently, they can knock themselves out.

 

[khiladi]

You may or may not have quoted it many times, there's no way for any of us to know unless we make a guess as to what your'e referring to and go check your post history elsewhere. Nobody's doing that. All I know is that you're saying something unsubstantiated that I have no recollection of ever seeing elsewhere, and when I ask you to verify it, you won't. This makes me suspect it's your interpretation of what was said, and that could be anything form right on to wildly inaccurate.

Your second statement is not irony. It also doesn't follow that Jerry saying he wants Jason concentrating on something other than play calling puts any of my arguments in this thread in a bind. If the team thinks there are other ways to use staff resources more efficiently, they can knock themselves out.

You can google it if your really interested. It doesn't take much to look for why Jerry made the call to bring in Linehan.

And if he was successful at it, which he wasn't, then there was no need to make a change, because he was getting it done and per your opinion he was losing because of the defense, not the offense... of course we don't need to get too much into the absurdity of the implications of your waffling..