What a difference a HC makes, Chip Kelly

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Listen, I don't agree with you on much but I do hope you're right. I think the one question we all had with RGIII was how long he could play in the NFL with that type of read/option running game. He was always one hit away from being lost for the season. I'm not so sure this is the same thing.

It's just the NFL... Atlanta 4-12, Houston 2-14. Yes, there are some legitimate reasons behind all of these bad falls but really the NFL is just a gigantic league of 8-8 teams that end up having slightly different records based on luck (except for the usual suspects, NE, whoever Manning is with, Saints, etc). The Eagles really aren't all that good, and Foles play is just completely unsustainable. He could actually have a better season from a player growth perspective and have 27 TDs and 12 INTs. 27 and 2 is even more unsustainable than RGKnee's 20 and 5 from last year.
 

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For those claiming luck because of the lack of injuries, here is some suggested reading:

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/chip-kellys-mystery-man/

Chip Kelly’s Mystery Man
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PHILADELPHIA — Tucked in the back of Connor Barwin’s uniform, between his shoulder blades, was a small black-and-orange gadget about the size of a hockey puck. Weighing just 30 grams, it contained a GPS, magnetometer, accelerometer and gyroscope that had just recorded his every movement on the practice field. But the Eagles linebacker would rather not talk about it.

“I don’t know if I’m supposed to,” Barwin said, glancing around after an organized team activities session in May. “I don’t want to, like, give up secrets?”

On Chip Kelly’s Eagles this is the new normal. Science and technology are part of nearly everything the team does. But the why and the how are treated like classified information.

And so is the who—in this case, the man hired by Kelly to be the first “sports-science coordinator” an NFL team has ever had. His name is Shaun Huls, and his background—nearly five years as a performance coach for the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Group 2—is as intriguing as his current job title.

Heads turned in February when Huls was listed in the announcement of the new coaching staff, and since then Kelly has taken care to preserve the mystery surrounding this aspect of his program. As training camp was set to open Huls had not yet been permitted to speak to the media, and The MMQB’s request for interviews with Kelly and general manager Howie Roseman about the sports-science initiative was turned down through a team spokesperson. At a press conference in June, Kelly would go only so far as to say that sports science is important because “what you do with your players is ultimately important.” He added, “I’d tell you I’m not a trendsetter by how I dress… We’re just trying to make our team better.”

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Shaun Huls. (Courtesy of Philadelphia Eagles)
The Eagles are not the only NFL team to lean on science and technology in their training; the Giants, Jaguars and Falcons are also among the league’s leaders in this area. And similar practices are ingrained in international sports such as soccer, since the frontline for much of the sports-science research and technology development is overseas in Europe and Russia.

But there is an unmistakable curiosity about what is taking place in Philadelphia. Perhaps it’s because of Kelly’s reputation as an innovator, or the tie to the military’s most elite warriors, or the fact that the up-tempo offense Kelly became known for at Oregon is presumed to place special physical demands on his players.

Or perhaps it’s because we want to see if thinking beyond the X’s and O’s can really help turn around a team that went 4-12 last season. No matter the reason, there’s a story to be told about what’s going on inside the walls of the NovaCare Complex, even if it’s not one the Eagles are ready to tell.

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Change is the order of the day in Philly after Andy Reid’s 14-year tenure. Some of what Kelly has wrought is obvious. His frenetic practices are set to deafening music of all genres—Kanye West and AC/DC and banquet-hall favorite “Cha Cha Slide”—that blares onto South Broad Street. And his staff introduced personalized protein shakes—center Jason Kelce’s contains blueberries, avocado, 2% milk and vanilla protein powder—that players grab on their way off the practice field.

Why not devote significant resources … to a cutting-edge approach that will help keep players on the field and maximize their performance?

But remaking a program through the application of sports science is a bigger and more multifaceted undertaking. The premise is simple: Teams invest millions in players; why not devote significant resources, including a dedicated position on the coaching staff, to a cutting-edge approach that will help keep players on the field and maximize their performance? In mid-March, the Eagles began developing something of a sports-science laboratory. Team president Don Smolenski told the Philadelphia Inquirer the team invested more than $1 million in equipment and technology upgrades this offseason. In keeping with the air of secrecy, the companies that provided the technology were reluctant to share specifics of how the Eagles are using their devices.

The array of technology creates a physiological dashboard for each player. Among the equipment: Catapult Sports’ OptimEye sensors, which Barwin was wearing; heart-rate monitors from Polar; an Omegawave system that measures an athlete’s readiness for training and competition; and weight-lifting technology from a company named EliteForm, with 3-D cameras that record not just how much an athlete is lifting but how quickly he is doing it. There is also the low-tech end: Players are asked to urinate in a cup before practice to check their hydration levels.

The result is a data-driven approach to training, which is compatible with and perhaps even necessary for the way Kelly coaches. In the up-tempo style he brought from Oregon—the Ducks averaged more than 81 offensive plays per game last season—players are perpetually on the move. Some sports scientists, like the University of Connecticut’s William Kraemer, say research does not support the perception that an up-tempo pace imposes extreme fitness and recovery demands. But even so, sports-science technology can play an important role in preventing overuse, overtraining and the often accompanying soft-tissue injuries.

“Everyone is saying that going at this pace, people are going to burn out,” says offensive tackle Dennis Kelly, “but they’re making sure we’re getting the rest we need to recover.”

The OptimEye trackers, of which the Eagles have about 55, record a player’s movements through the course of a practice, allowing coaches to quantify acceleration, agility and the percentage of time the player is running at max speed versus standing around. An incentive not to slack off? Sure. But this is also a way to determine how much stress a workout places on a player’s body.

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James Casey, one of the Eagles’ new additions, is benefiting from Chip Kelly’s innovative approach. (Matt Rourke/AP)
Monitoring heart rate is another way to gauge training load, as well as how close a player is at any given point of his workout to maximum exertion. The Polar system generates post-workout recovery reports, with a timestamp for when an athlete can next handle more training. Mike Valentino, Polar’s national sales manager for team sports, says a Big East women’s soccer team saw a 75% decrease in soft-tissue injuries during its first season using the technology. And the Omegawave system uses an electrocardiogram transmitter and a pair of electrodes that tap into the central nervous system to measure stress, fatigue and capacity for aerobic or anaerobic exercise. Players can log into their personal computers to check their own fitness profiles.

But data means the most when there’s an expert there to understand and apply it, and that’s where Huls comes in. Says Barwin, “If you’re suddenly more sore than usual, or you start to feel an injury pop up, you can go check with him and see what your numbers look like for that practice, and see why.”

Teams are not permitted to use tracking devices on players during games, but an NFL spokesman said there have been discussions with “several companies” about a possible league-wide initiative for in-game tracking, something the CBA would allow for if the players union consented.Forbes reported in May that Catapult, whose NFL clients also include the Giants and Cowboys, is in those discussions.

Still, there are ways to mine data to analyze game performance. Last season Catapult helped one of its NFL clients compare practice data off the OptimEye sensors in weeks when the team won compared to those when it lost. A trend emerged: During Thursday practices before losses, offensive skill players were running a lot but not very quickly. “They were training them to be slow,” says Gary McCoy, Catapult’s U.S. sales manager. “When they saw that, what we were hearing on the phone was, ‘S—, we really messed this up.’ You get those ‘Wow’ moments.”

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The roots of the Eagles’ sports-science program reach back to Lincoln, Neb., in the late 1990s. This was the golden era of Husker Power, the Nebraska strength and conditioning program that powered three national championships between 1994 and ’97. During that time three ambitious college students began working with the school’s athletic department.

One of the students was Shaun Huls. At Nebraska, his philosophies on training (a reliance on free weights and explosive work) and nutrition (the cafeteria line was reorganized to have healthy vegetables first and meats last) were honed. Huls’s first chance to run his own strength and conditioning program was at Hampton (Va.) University in the mid-2000s. Joe Taylor, Hampton’s football coach at the time, considers Huls one of the best hires in his 40-year coaching career because of the way he transformed their training.

Huls timed players during their lifts, used diagnostic tests such as vertical jumps and shuttle runs to objectively track his players’ fitness, and reorganized the cafeteria line as at Nebraska—all practices he uses today in Philadelphia. Huls won the trust of the players, who gave him standing ovations at their athletic banquets.

Then came the really intriguing stuff: the nearly five years he spent training Navy SEALs at a military base in Virginia Beach. In August 2007 Huls, a civilian, became the first strength coach hired to work in the human performance program at Special Warfare Group 2. A practitioner of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, he’s the type of trainer who wants to experience the demands on his athletes, so he would do seven-mile ocean swims or carry around the SEALs’ 70-pound backpacks to feel the strain on his body. His hiring was part of a push by the Navy to train SEALs smarter, so his most important challenge was to reduce the non-combat-related injuries that were taking highly trained operatives away from their units during wartime.

In early 2009 Huls and one of his colleagues at the Little Creek base spent about a week in Finland on a fact-finding mission. They logged some 1,500 miles driving from one sports-science institute to the next, picking the brains of some of the world’s top human-performance experts. Their guide was a man named John Underwood, a former international-level distance runner and Olympic coach who now runs a sport consulting firm called Life of an Athlete.

Huls met Underwood, who had studied in Finland for three years, at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Lake Placid, N.Y., and asked for his help in changing the way SEALs trained. “It was like a testosterone contest up until then,” Underwood says of the special forces training. “So we said, ‘OK, we’re going to find and set up a training regimen that’s all based on science and biofeedback.’ That was the beginning of it. Now, they’re changing the way they train pro football players.” Indeed, Underwood was invited by Kelly to speak to the team during June minicamp.

Such a quest for knowledge is typical for Huls, those who know him say. He makes regular trips to the Postural Restoration Institute in Lincoln, Neb., studying a progressive approach for handling injuries based on the idea that the body is asymmetrical. He also missed part of Eagles minicamp away at a science conference. Huls has made a strong impression on people he has worked with for being humble, open-minded and going to great lengths to help others achieve their goals.

Very few people out there really want to help, and [Shaun Huls] is definitely one of them.
That has been the experience of Kelce, who worked with Huls nearly every day this offseason to rehab from last October’s knee surgery and was pleasantly surprised to be able to participate in some team reps during minicamp. But perhaps the most remarkable account of Huls’ impact is told by Robbie Stock, a retired SEAL.

Stock was deployed to Afghanistan in 2010 when a grenade exploded inches from the left side of his body. After nearly a dozen surgeries he had no motor function in his left arm or hand, and surgeons recommended amputation. But Stock had other ideas and sought out Huls back on the Virginia Beach base. For several months Huls worked with Stock, using the Omegawave to determine when his battered body could handle exercise and inventing ways for Stock to train while his arm was mostly lifeless … and then when he regained movement in his biceps … and then when some function returned to his hand. Within a year of the explosion, Stock says, he could bench press 275 pounds, as much weight as he could before his injury; today he says he has 70% function in his arm and hand.

“Shaun was one of the very few people—and when I say few, I mean few—who actually believed I would not be a one-armed man for the rest of my life,” says Stock, whose new business, The Human Performance Initiative in Virginia Beach, uses many of the lessons he learned from Huls. “There are very few people out there who really want to help, and he is definitely one of them.”

The secrecy Kelly maintains is a bit ironic considering Huls came from a realm in which information actually is classified. When Huls would take groups of SEALs to train at the Colorado headquarters of the National Strength and Conditioning Association, led by Husker Power godfather Boyd Epley, there were clear guidelines. The SEALs could not be photographed, Epley recalls, and they had to remain anonymous. By extension, there are few pictures of Huls and little information online, other than the news of his hire by the Eagles and a snapshot and brief bio on the team’s website.

How did Kelly find his sports-science coordinator? The answer goes back to those three college friends at Nebraska. The second was Josh Hingst, now the Eagles’ head strength and conditioning coach. The third was James Harris, Kelly’s chief of staff at Oregon, who is now one of the coach’s top advisers in Philadelphia.

Now comes the next part of the story: How will the new approach translate to the season? Of all the questions the Eagles haven’t answered about their new program, this is the biggest. But however undercover Kelly’s program remains, the ultimate measure of its success will be no secret—it will be up there on the giant electronic scoreboard at Lincoln Financial Field, for all to see.
 

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I really hated the way Garrett gave Chip Kelly credit in the after-game press conference, something to the effect of Chip Kelly's a great coach and has put together a great program. He's a ROOKIE head coach who has put together that program in ONE YEAR, as opposed to Garrett's 20+ as a player/coordinator/head coach and 3+ for his program. So basically Garrett is saying Kelly is that much better than him and an nfl genius.

Of course you give the other coach credit but just the way it came out irked me. Garrett should have won and Kelly should be making the rookie mistakes. Would have been ok to say if it was Billicheck or even Andy Reid, but not a rookie hc.
 

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Come on now. Is that even remotely true? So are teams not interested in running a system that can put up 40 points a game?

Yes, for the same reason NBA teams are not interested in running the Grinnell System that allowed one player to score 138 points in a single game and the team to have gawdy 170-point games while also giving up tons of points at the other end. Anyone could do it and pad their offensive stats, but thy don't because it puts a lot of wear and tear on the players, makes you vulnerable to injuries, and makes things really tough on the defense. Most teams are more interested in protecting their players, controlling the clock, and helping the defense than putting up Madden-like numbers by running a super fast-paced offense.

We played the Packers without Rodgers....and lost. We played the Bears without Cutler.....and lost. And we did it controlling our own destiny. Those two games turned the course of the season. On the other hand, Philly finished what, 7 and 1? Yes, they lost the Vikings but beat the Lions who we lost to. I wouldn't apologize for that if the roles were reversed.

Right, the question isn't whether Philly performed better than we did. They obviously did. The question is whether Philly performed better under Chip Kelly than they would have under Andy Reid. Kelly's system is built around scoring lots of points but also gives the opposing team lots of opportunities to score lots of points as well. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how many points you can score -- what matters is whether you can score more efficiently than your opponent.

Foles started the season as the back-up. He was a second year player who was beat out by Vick. There's no way around what he was, a second string back-up. If anyone would have mentioned Foles in the same breath as Brady or Romo before the season started, we would have laughed them off the board. Foles shocked the hell out of me. I'm not calling him the second coming of Brady but he just fits in that system (which I still can't believe as I type this) and my biggest fear is that we'll have to deal with him and that offense for the next 10 years, just like we did with McNabb.

I'm not interested in a semantic argument. My point was that referring to him as a second string back-up implies that he's just a scrub and the system was entirely responsible for his success, whereas in reality it's not uncommon at all for a young back-up (especially a high draft pick) to pan out to be much more successful than the original starter. The fact that Foles played well can't be attributed solely to Kelly just because Kelly chose to sit him for the first half of the season. Foles was a high draft pick who had one of the best preseasons in the NFL as a rookie in 2012, under Andy Reid. Odds are, he'd be a pretty good quarterback in most systems.
 

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I think you had enough injuries in 2012 to consider them some. But then add in the OL which didn't jell until the last quarter of the year. OL was on most people's minds. And we had problems with the WRs, too. People don't like it but they all complained about the lack of talent on this team. And one of the things I'm certain about is that the talent on the team is developing. Probably not as fast as most would like but at a pretty decent pace. I'd have to think about the personnel and problems for 2011.

Kiffin needs a DL, a Mike (Lee), a decent LBing core otherwise, CBs who can tackle and a playmaking Safety. It's not a coincidence that all teams are looking for that. You can forget all the Tampa 2 talk. The league uses variants of it along with lots of packages. The Cover 2 lives but in many forms. Coverages change with the down and distance, opponent, clock yada. Some of those ingredients are already on the team. If they can stay on the field.

The offense needs to tweak the OL, replace Austin if he won't renegotiate his contract, get Dunbar back and add a power running back/fullback/decent receiver.

I'd love to see Dunbar return punts or find someone who is a big threat although I'm ok with Harris.

This team, if healthy, should contend next year.

Jobberone, I hear you but at the end of the day it's more of the same, excuses (not yours) and more excuses, either injuries, lack of talent, bad o line, bad d line etc..
Bottom line, we are not winning and you can argue that we won't have the same Romo, Ware, Witten , Free, Hatcher or even Murray next year so it may very well be downhill from here because injuries will happen, maybe not as many but they will happen, you can take that to the bank, we were fairly healthy on offense, that doesn't happen every year. I am certainly not as optimistic as you, I feel Garrett wasted the prime of the careers of our star players.
 

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So what? We're not talking about Andy Reid the talent evaluator. We're talking about Andy Reid the head coach. Who the GM wants in charge of personnel is their own business.

You can't evaluate Andy Reid the head coach without evaluating the job he did as a general manager.

The question isn't what the owner thought. The question is whether the owner was right.

Are you saying Lurie was wrong in hiring a guy that took a team Andy Reid coached to 4 & 12 and made them 10 & 6 plus a division title? Let the results speak for themselves.

They magically came to a head in year 14 after more than a decade of success? Wow, that's a slowly gestating problem, don't you think? And surely if that was the problem, the owner/GM could take more control over assistant coach hirings even if Reid was still around.

It wasn't overnight. It was a slow deterioration after the players Andy Reid inherited from the coach before, and the general manager Modrak that he fired in 2001. I saw it pretty good article I'll try to find that would help you out in understanding what happened.

Predictable or not, it was still top 5 or top 10 virtually every year, and good enough to reach the playoffs 9 times.

It wasn't overnight. It was a slow deterioration after the players Andy Reid inherited from the coach before, and the general manager Modrak that he fired in 2001. I saw it pretty good article I'll try to find that would help you out in understanding what happened.

The evidence doesn't support your theory. Balanced or not, predictable or not, Andy Reid already had a top 5 or 10 scoring offense almost every single year, even after Childress left. Again, 2012 looks like an aberration for an otherwise perennially successful offense. So did Kelly's "balance" and "unpredictability" really make the difference?

John Smallwood lays out the Andy Reid downfall perfectly for folks who aren't in the local viewing area . I can tell you It was a joy having Andy Reid coaching the Eagles for a Dallas fan in Eagles territory :) http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-...s-chairman-clark-hunt-coach-in-eagles-history
 

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This will be a fun thread to revisit when the Eagles are 4-12 next year. Just like the Deadskins were making Jerry quake in his boots at the prospect of facing Rookie of the Year RGKnee, one of the best young rushers in the game (Morris), and a team that had the sky as the limit after ending the season with 7 straight wins.

Chip Kelly showed he is a good HC, much better than Garrett, this is a bottom line bussiness and he got it done in his first year unlike JG. They could win 5 games next year and still say he did something Garrett has never done.
 

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To cut it down to "win or your out of a job" is a fine idea if you ignore what the coach is expected to win with. Using that model Parcells shoulda been fired too after his 6-10 and two straight 9-7 seasons but I doubt many wanted him fired. Belichick had one good season in Cleveland and they fired him, not a good move in my opinion. I see a coach with upside and a team thats improved. If all you look for is reasons to get rid of JG thats probably all you will see.

Improved? 3 straight 8-8 seasons and he has improved? That's news to me, improvement is based on wins and loses in the NFL not on if the players like their coach or play hard for him. Now that you mention Parcells ( he did got the team to the playoffs in his first year by the way, oh and Quincy freaking Carter was his QB) I'll quote him, "you are what your record says you are" JG is a .500 and mediocre HC like it or not.
 

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Chip Kelly showed he is a good HC, much better than Garrett, this is a bottom line bussiness and he got it done in his first year unlike JG. They could win 5 games next year and still say he did something Garrett has never done.

Barring an unlikely run, no one will remember. And we'll have 8 wins to their 5.:)
 
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So what? We're not talking about Andy Reid the talent evaluator. We're talking about Andy Reid the head coach. Who the GM wants in charge of personnel is their own business.



The question isn't what the owner thought. The question is whether the owner was right.



They magically came to a head in year 14 after more than a decade of success? Wow, that's a slowly gestating problem, don't you think? And surely if that was the problem, the owner/GM could take more control over assistant coach hirings even if Reid was still around.



Predictable or not, it was still top 5 or top 10 virtually every year, and good enough to reach the playoffs 9 times.



The evidence doesn't support your theory. Balanced or not, predictable or not, Andy Reid already had a top 5 or 10 scoring offense almost every single year, even after Childress left. Again, 2012 looks like an aberration for an otherwise perennially successful offense. So did Kelly's "balance" and "unpredictability" really make the difference?
I butchered my reply. I don't have the time to do it again. This new forum is very buggy on my computer. The article says enough. I'll just leave you with Andy Reid's win loss record since 2004. 66 & 61. That's the definition of mediocre. He had a top 10 offense 7 of his 14 years. Top 5 three times. In his 14 years he never had an offense put up the points Chip Kelly did in his rookie year. Both total points, and points per game
 

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I butchered my reply. I don't have the time to do it again. This new forum is very buggy on my computer. The article says enough. I'll just leave you with Andy Reid's win loss record since 2004. 66 & 61. That's the definition of mediocre. He had a top 10 offense 7 of his 14 years. Top 5 three times. In his 14 years he never had an offense put up the points Chip Kelly did in his rookie year. Both total points, and points per game

Andy needed a change of scenery. And the Eagles needed a change too. Sometimes that happens after a very long tenure.

Andy had a lot going on in his personal life towards the end and his personnel decisions were not good ones for the most part. Nor his coaching staff decisions...Juan Castillo? Great guy, good oline coach...but defensive coordinator?
 

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He came in and took a team from last to first, changed their identity, play calling and the most important thing, their wins. Yet here we are with the same HC for 3.5 years, at 8-8 but look at the positives, we play hard, we have been one win away from winning the division 3 straight years, remember, we are rebuilding, give Garrett a couple of more years and we will get to the playoffs.
Chip Kelly took over a really talented team, just like Reid in KC or Pagano in Indy or Harbaugh in SF or Rivera in Carolina or McCoy in SD or Carroll in Seattle, you know what I mean? they were just lucky.
Nobody rebuilds a team like Garrett does, nobody. SMH.

Yea they were better by a whooping 2 points and 1 and 1 against us . Amazing , we should strive to be like the eagles and their array of trophies .
 

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That article on the Eagles' training philosophies just further proves how ahead of the curve Chip Kelly is compared to most of the NFL, especially Garrett.

The guy is a fantastic coach. Look at how creative that offense is, the different looks they throw at you. And he's doing this all with a guy who is a very average at best QB. Foles does not look this good in any other system - period.

3 years with Garrett and we are still mired in mediocrity. One year with Chip and Philly is a division champion and in the playoffs. Give him three years and they'll be an elite team. I guarantee the majority of the NFL will continue trying to copy what Chip has done offensively and training wise over the coming years. They already started when he was at Oregon, but even moreso now that he's proven it can work in the NFL.
 

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That article on the Eagles' training philosophies just further proves how ahead of the curve Chip Kelly is compared to most of the NFL, especially Garrett.

The guy is a fantastic coach. Look at how creative that offense is, the different looks they throw at you. And he's doing this all with a guy who is a very average at best QB. Foles does not look this good in any other system - period.

3 years with Garrett and we are still mired in mediocrity. One year with Chip and Philly is a division champion and in the playoffs. Give him three years and they'll be an elite team. I guarantee the majority of the NFL will continue trying to copy what Chip has done offensively and training wise over the coming years. They already started when he was at Oregon, but even moreso now that he's proven it can work in the NFL.

Somebody gets it I see...

All the talk about Chip Kelly...and whether his Oregon offense would work, was laughable. Anyone that researched, really researched, the history of him would know why he was different.
 

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Somebody gets it I see...

All the talk about Chip Kelly...and whether his Oregon offense would work, was laughable. Anyone that researched, really researched, the history of him would know why he was different.

It's amazing they finished 2nd in total offense this year and we finished 16th. They aren't better than us at any position offensively except maybe RB.

No doubt if Chip Kelly was our coach the offense with Romo-Dez-Murray-Witten would have been absolutely unstoppable. I was begging us to hire him on this board last offseason. We're stuck with Red unfortunately.
 

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It's amazing they finished 2nd in total offense this year and we finished 16th. They aren't better than us at any position offensively except maybe RB.

No doubt if Chip Kelly was our coach the offense with Romo-Dez-Murray-Witten would have been absolutely unstoppable. I was begging us to hire him on this board last offseason. We're stuck with Red unfortunately.

And without Maclin...
 

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Long thread so it's probably been mentioned but Kelly is not a better coach than greasy Stache.

The offensive system was new and gave most teams fits. If everyone plays them like us next year Kelly will be on a fast track back to college.

Kelly had some terrible coaching moves in this game and had we not committed 3 turnovers we send him home a loser to a backup QB and the worst defense in the league.
 

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Long thread so it's probably been mentioned but Kelly is not a better coach than greasy Stache.

The offensive system was new and gave most teams fits. If everyone plays them like us next year Kelly will be on a fast track back to college.

Kelly had some terrible coaching moves in this game and had we not committed 3 turnovers we send him home a loser to a backup QB and the worst defense in the league.

I guess we'll see if you're right. I wouldn't bet on it though
 
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