What a difference a HC makes, Chip Kelly

[jobberone]

Me. The Eagles franchise made so many changes outside of just coaching. Kelly changed the way they prepare themselves for the season, the way they practice, the way they eat, and exercise. The owner stripped Reid from evaluating talent in 2012, and from 2012 their free-agent acquisitions have improved, drafting has improved, and the teaching aspect of players resurfaced. Andy Reid's biggest weakness was personnel decisions. If he stayed they would have been a very different team this year.
That's why our situation is so depressing. The guy that makes the decisions will still be making them, and the guy coaching the players will still be coaching. It's just depressing.

Now this is how to argue your point. I'm not certain I can argue against this although the fact Reid has such a good record overall and gelled the KC team speaks against that some.

 

[blindzebra]

How much of the Eagles' "turnaround" was really because of Chip Kelly, and how much was just 2012 being an aberration for a franchise that had only had one other losing season since 2000? Does anyone honestly think Andy Reid couldn't have gone 10-6 with the same roster and schedule?

He inherited the perfect pieces to run his system. And they had almost no injuries and Foles got bailed out on so many awful deep throws it was not even funny.

 

[Zekeats]

He's a great offensive coach. I'm so impressed with him. I'm convinced he ran the ball so much tonight because he knew Foles was semi-choking. And he still won the game.

He always runs the ball cause he knows it opens up the pass.....look at files stats not many games with 30+attempts but his qbr was off the charts cause it all starts and ends with the runs...also most passing plays are set plays which means there usually is only one or two options and most of the time as we found out last night they are usually wide open

 

[jobberone]

At some point he has to win, look around the NFL today and the last 4 years, every other coach in the NFL needs to win to keep his job, not here, not Garrett because his players like him, they play hard for him and we've had a ton of injuries. it seems that we are the only team with injuries, every other team is healthy, smh.
Excuses, excuses and more excuses, he is just an awful HC, I can tell you this, every other team in the NFC east and the NFC for that matter should be jumping for joy that we are sticking with this guy for another year and probably many more.
Take a look at this list and show me a HC that with at least 3.5 years as HC and with equally terrible results, the only one I could find is Munchack (then again he doesn't have Romo, Dez, Witten, Ware, Lee etc.) and he'll probably get fired, or take a look at what new HC have done with their respective teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_head_coaches

In the NFL, you win or you are out of a job, plain and simple, except of course with the Dallas Cowboys, this truly is a dream job, you can be mediocre and win millions of dollars, beautiful just beautiful.

I don't like the outcomes as I'm sure no one does. There are mitigating circumstances this year and I can argue some for last year. Once again if you want to take the I don't care what has happened I want victory then you have an argument. I don't take that approach but look at problem solving by diagnosing the issues and addressing them. This is a time proven management approach that works and if I owned a company like JJ does then I'd run it that way. I don't discount gut feelings at all. They make me very uncomfortable to the point I have to dissect the problems all over again to see if my approach is sound. My gut feeling is there is something missing but I'm not sure what. Until you get decent players on the field then you cannot tell what else is a problem.

What is encouraging to me is they got finally starting getting some decent play out of all those scrubs. If Kiffin gets his players back and they address some issues then I'm convinced he can build a good or better defense.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He inherited the perfect pieces to run his system. And they had almost no injuries and Foles got bailed out on so many awful deep throws it was not even funny.

Yep, he just got lucky. We just got unlucky.

Darn our bad luck.

 

[blindzebra]

Yep, he just got lucky. We just got unlucky.

Darn our bad luck.

Yawn...wake me when you have anything worth reading.

Signed

Rip Van Winkle

 

[NinePointOh]

Me. The Eagles franchise made so many changes outside of just coaching. Kelly changed the way they prepare themselves for the season, the way they practice, the way they eat, and exercise.

And all of those things suddenly became crippling deficiencies in 2012 after making them go 121-70 and making the playoffs 9 times over the previous 12 seasons? And the way the way Reid coaches his teams to practice, eat, and exercise was magically no longer a problem when he went to Kansas City and turned a perennially awful team into a playoff team in his first year?

The owner stripped Reid from evaluating talent in 2012, and from 2012 their free-agent acquisitions have improved, drafting has improved, and the teaching aspect of players resurfaced. Andy Reid's biggest weakness was personnel decisions. If he stayed they would have been a very different team this year.

Even if that's true, the owner could have continued to take a larger role in evaluating personnel with or without Chip Kelly. I don't see any compelling argument for why Andy Reid couldn't have coached the same roster to the same record (or better) with the same schedule.

 

[cowboyblue22]

u have to run the ball garret don't under stand or care with the schedule next season and his coaching they may only with a couple games wow what a mess I often wonder if the nightmare ever ends

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I guess you guys saw something I didn't. That guy was terrible yesterday. HE kept abandoning the run and trying to go deep and Foles couldn't adjust. Then he left points on the board that should've cost him the game had Orton not threw a pick. Kelly is a gimmick and i'm glad he coaches in this division. He's the Mike D'antoni of NFL coaches.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

Yeah well that's not the point. The point is everyone else's "process" is much faster then Jason Garrett's.

It may just be taking longer because it's a process within a process. Apparently Jerry is "training" Jason which is a process in it of itself.

 

[NinePointOh]

Now this is how to argue your point. I'm not certain I can argue against this although the fact Reid has such a good record overall and gelled the KC team speaks against that some.

Seriously? Why in the world would those things magically become problematic in year 14 after leading to 9 playoff appearances and just 1 other losing season since the year 2000? And meanwhile, they were magically no longer problematic again this year in Kansas City? All the evidence points to 2012 being an aberration for Reid and the Eagles, not a sudden and fleeting failure of an otherwise highly successful head coach.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

I guess you guys saw something I didn't. That guy was terrible yesterday. HE kept abandoning the run and trying to go deep and Foles couldn't adjust. Then he left points on the board that should've cost him the game had Orton not threw a pick. Kelly is a gimmick and i'm glad he coaches in this division. He's the Mike D'antoni of NFL coaches.

I also thought he had some questionable calls. The halfback pass attempt in the redzone was ill advised.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I also thought he had some questionable calls. The halfback pass attempt in the redzone was ill advised.

Very foolish. If that's the future of this division? I welcome him.

 

[landroverking]

Well then enjoy staying at 8-8

Cowboys gave them all they could handle. One maybe two plays away from winning.

Not jus a fair fair weather fan.

 

[Coy]

I don't like the outcomes as I'm sure no one does. There are mitigating circumstances this year and I can argue some for last year. Once again if you want to take the I don't care what has happened I want victory then you have an argument. I don't take that approach but look at problem solving by diagnosing the issues and addressing them. This is a time proven management approach that works and if I owned a company like JJ does then I'd run it that way. I don't discount gut feelings at all. They make me very uncomfortable to the point I have to dissect the problems all over again to see if my approach is sound. My gut feeling is there is something missing but I'm not sure what. Until you get decent players on the field then you cannot tell what else is a problem.

What is encouraging to me is they got finally starting getting some decent play out of all those scrubs. If Kiffin gets his players back and they address some issues then I'm convinced he can build a good or better defense.

I understand what you are saying but that's what we've heard the last 3 offseasons, it just sounds like lame excuses, yes, we were hit hard with injuries but so did GB and look at them, we cannot give the same excuse year after year, it's like saying "if we're healthy we'll win, if we're not then we won't" that shouldn't work in the NFL. And if our players are not good enough then that also falls on Garrett, because everybody that loves Garrett has been saying he gets to choose what coaches and players come to his team, you can't have it both ways, either he is in charge and takes responsability for the team or he is just a puppet coach.

 

[Coy]

He inherited the perfect pieces to run his system. And they had almost no injuries and Foles got bailed out on so many awful deep throws it was not even funny.

Lol, so he gets no credit for getting a 4 win team to 10 wins and winning the division, yeah right, Garret could've done that. A good HC makes that much of a difference, a bad one (Garrett) doesn't.

 

[jobberone]

I understand what you are saying but that's what we've heard the last 3 offseasons, it just sounds like lame excuses, yes, we were hit hard with injuries but so did GB and look at them, we cannot give the same excuse year after year, it's like saying "if we're healthy we'll win, if we're not then we won't" that shouldn't work in the NFL. And if our players are not good enough then that also falls on Garrett, because everybody that loves Garrett has been saying he gets to choose what coaches and players come to his team, you can't have it both ways, either he is in charge and takes responsability for the team or he is just a puppet coach.

It's not a matter of injuries. It's the degree. All teams have injuries and you expect it. But not that much esp to one unit. Name a team that used something like 19 different DL in one year. Or a team with that plus its LBing core gutted. And add in the safety and CB problem. Not many will listen but Kiffin and Marinelli deserve accolades for what they put together out of that mess. I have never seen one unit on a team that decimated. I thought Philly would blow us out or cover the spread but instead had to fight for their lives. That defensive game plan even with those scrubs and JAGs nearly brought down a pretty good team with a Sean McCoy.

 

[dcjules]

Weren't people in here before the season started saying Kelly was overrated and that PHI's new O was a gimmick destined to fail?

Time will tell......Would we consider Garrett over rated if his team was healthy, played a last place schedule, Romo played at a HOF level for the season and had every break imaginable go his way!!

 

[Dodger12]

How much of the Eagles' "turnaround" was really because of Chip Kelly, and how much was just 2012 being an aberration for a franchise that had only had one other losing season since 2000? Does anyone honestly think Andy Reid couldn't have gone 10-6 with the same roster and schedule?

When you're dead last in time of possession yet have the top rusher in the NFL and a top 5 offense overall, that has Chip Kelly's fingerprints all over it. He's given his team an offensive identity and it's been pretty darn impressive thus far. If it was us, we'd all be giddy and this board would be on cloud 9 in perfect harmony with nature and we'd be looking forward to a bright future. I don't know why that's so hard to admit......

 

[Coy]

It's not a matter of injuries. It's the degree. All teams have injuries and you expect it. But not that much esp to one unit. Name a team that used something like 19 different DL in one year. Or a team with that plus its LBing core gutted. And add in the safety and CB problem. Not many will listen but Kiffin and Marinelli deserve accolades for what they put together out of that mess. I have never seen one unit on a team that decimated. I thought Philly would blow us out or cover the spread but instead had to fight for their lives. That defensive game plan even with those scrubs and JAGs nearly brought down a pretty good team with a Sean McCoy.

But what about 2011 and 2012? At the end of the day he has to win with or without injuries and he hasn't done that.