What a Letdown :(

[tsumma]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

 

[cowboyed]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

tsumma, don't be in such a hurry to include everyone along on your path of myopic thinking. For a so called idiot Jones has not done so badly for Cowboy fans. If you can demonstrate your mega million dollar business acumen, the ability to purchase and operate a team going on 16 years, the moxie, will, proven track record and financial power to construct a billion dollar flagship stadium and oh garner 3 Superbowl wins in the process I most certainly will take your words to heart.

 

[Eddie]

I would have rather had the new HC pick his own OC instead of being forced by Jones.

I'd rather have the HC pick his own staff.

 

[dbair1967]

I would have rather had the new HC pick his own OC instead of being forced by Jones.

I'd rather have the HC pick his own staff.

the thing you people keep forgetting in all this is that its going to be really hard for any new HC to assemble a complete staff of his own because of how late in the game it is...thats unless you want to see a staff made up entirely of people either 1) unemployed or 2) college coaches

I'm pretty sure Jones ran Garrett's name by those he is considering as HC, and they probably all signed off on it...any new HC isnt likely to have a full staff of his own until after next season, when he has the pick of the litter...this years staff will clearly be a piece-mill of a few new people and some current coaches of Parcells' staff

David

 

[Yeagermeister]

the thing you people keep forgetting in all this is that its going to be really hard for any new HC to assemble a complete staff of his own because of how late in the game it is...thats unless you want to see a staff made up entirely of people either 1) unemployed or 2) college coaches

I'm pretty sure Jones ran Garrett's name by those he is considering as HC, and they probably all signed off on it...any new HC isnt likely to have a full staff of his own until after next season, when he has the pick of the litter...this years staff will clearly be a piece-mill of a few new people and some current coaches of Parcells' staff

David

Yeah I'm sure he got Rivera's approval first

 

[VA Cowboy]

tsumma, don't be in such a hurry to include everyone along on your path of myopic thinking. For a so called idiot Jones has not done so badly for Cowboy fans. If you can demonstrate your mega million dollar business acumen, the ability to purchase and operate a team going on 16 years, the moxie, will, proven track record and financial power to construct a billion dollar flagship stadium and oh garner 3 Superbowl wins in the process I most certainly will take your words to heart.

This is an empty argument. Being a good businessman, successfully marketing the team and building a state of the art stadium obviously doesn't translate into being a good GM.

Having three SB rings has more to do with Jimmy and his staff than it does the decisions Jerry made. Jerry has those rings, only because he hired his college buddy to coach the team and let him have the power and control to do the job.

Everytime Jerry has taken a total hands-on approach it's been at the detriment of the team.
So forgive me if I don't take your words to heart.

 

[silverbear]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

Once again, if you insist on running around calling people idiots, you probably ought to work on your English, so that you don't look like an idiot your own self...

Personally, I've never been stung when somebody who can't string together a semi-coherent sentence attempts to call me stupid...

 

[silverbear]

This is an empty argument. Being a good businessman, successfully marketing the team and building a state of the art stadium obviously doesn't translate into being a good GM.

Having three SB rings has more to do with Jimmy and his staff than it does the decisions Jerry made. Jerry has those rings, only because he hired his college buddy to coach the team and let him have the power and control to do the job.

Bluntly, I sincerely doubt you have the first clue how the power was divided up back in those glory days... and as I always do when somebody starts the "Jerry only won those Super Bowls because of Jimmy" garbage up, I'll point out that Jimmy didn't win squat when he left Dallas...

This suggests that Jerry was an integral part of Jimmy's success here...

Everytime Jerry has taken a total hands-on approach it's been at the detriment of the team.
So forgive me if I don't take your words to heart.

You have some evidence that Jerry's gonna take a "total hands-on approach", do you??

Or are you just jumping to conclusions without anything factual to support those conclusions??

From what I can see, all he's doing right now is trying to put together a staff for next season... and he's only doing that because Parcells left him in the lurch... given that, you're gonna have to forgive me if I find your cynicism, devoid as it is of any factual basis, less than compelling...

 

[dbair1967]

Or are you just jumping to conclusions without anything factual to support those conclusions??

...

alot of the fickle folks seem to be doing that because the guy they wanted (whether its Stoops, Weis, Rivera or whomever) may not be considered here, so they decide that they only acceptable explanation is that "Jerry is pulling the puppet strings" again

when as you mention, there is absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever

David

 

[maxsports]

We have been through 4 coaches since Jimmy Johnson. No playoff wins. Horrible drafts (until BP got here) What gives you confidence in Jerry? I love him as an owner just wish he would fire himself as GM!!!!!

 

[dbair1967]

We have been through 4 coaches since Jimmy Johnson. No playoff wins. Horrible drafts (until BP got here) What gives you confidence in Jerry? I love him as an owner just wish he would fire himself as GM!!!!!

first off, he hired Parcells and ceded all the power didnt he? Did you guys forget he said "what I was doing wasnt working" ???

further, he has a title of GM, but he was a GM in title only the past 4 yrs...Parcells did all the hiring, firing, drafting and signing...now is the new HC going to have as much power as Parcells had? No almost assuredly not, but nobody he can hire today has the experience or clout Parcells either

David

 

[VA Cowboy]

Bluntly, I sincerely doubt you have the first clue how the power was divided up back in those glory days... and as I always do when somebody starts the "Jerry only won those Super Bowls because of Jimmy" garbage up, I'll point out that Jimmy didn't win squat when he left Dallas...

This suggests that Jerry was an integral part of Jimmy's success here...

This does no such thing, because Jerry didn't have any success once Jimmy left. The Super Bowl in '95 was the core team that won in '92 and '93.

I know there were other factors involved in the building of the great 90's teams besides just Jimmy, but he was a integral part. We had great scouts, some high draft picks, the Walker trade. Irvin was here when Jimmy arrived. Aikman was the #1 pick in Jimmy's first year, Emmitt came in year two. These are things Jimmy didn't have in Miami. Just because Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami, it doesn't mean Jerry was a main factor in him winning in Dallas, other than the fact Jerry hired him. Period.

You have some evidence that Jerry's gonna take a "total hands-on approach", do you??

Or are you just jumping to conclusions without anything factual to support those conclusions??

From what I can see, all he's doing right now is trying to put together a staff for next season... and he's only doing that because Parcells left him in the lurch... given that, you're gonna have to forgive me if I find your cynicism, devoid as it is of any factual basis, less than compelling...

I'm not saying definitively that Jerry is reverting back 100% to his previous failed methods. But the fact we are now hiring a possible OC before we have a HC suggests that part is the same as with the Gailey / Campo years.
Now if Garrett is actually being hired as HC, then that takes it to an ever further level that suggests Jerry needs to be committed.

What factual evidence do you have that states he isn't reverting back to his failed ways??? Or are you just jumping to conclusions trying to put a good face on things?

 

[CactusCowboy]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

I think u r the idiot

 

[VA Cowboy]

alot of the fickle folks seem to be doing that because the guy they wanted (whether its Stoops, Weis, Rivera or whomever) may not be considered here, so they decide that they only acceptable explanation is that "Jerry is pulling the puppet strings" again

when as you mention, there is absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever

David

No evidence? If Garrett isn't the HC, then that would mean we hired him as OC before having a HC, right? This would be very similar to how JJ operated after Jimmy left and before BP arrived.

If Garrett is in fact being hired to be the HC, then it has nothing to do with him just not being a preference, it would have everything to do with him only being a position coach for 2 years and being totally inexperienced.

Either way, we are either having JJ hire the assistant(s) like in the past, or we are having JJ hire someone who no one else is after similar to when he brought in his previous puppets.

 

[silverbear]

first off, he hired Parcells and ceded all the power didnt he? Did you guys forget he said "what I was doing wasnt working" ???

They've either forgotten what he said back then, or they're ignoring it because it doesn't fit in with their rigidly preconceived notions...

Frankly, I find all this "Jerry should fire himself as GM" talk highly amusing, since Jerry's not about to do any such thing... so we as Cowboys fans need to learn to make our peace with him in that role...

 

[silverbear]

This does no such thing, because Jerry didn't have any success once Jimmy left. The Super Bowl in '95 was the core team that won in '92 and '93.

So, Jerry didn't have much success without Jimmy, Jimmy didn't have much success without Jerry...

What this SHOULD tell a LOGICAL individual is that their success was a direct result of their COLLABORATION... if it really was all Jimmy, as you'd have us believe, indeed as you flatly stated, then he should have been able to replicate that success in Miami...

He didn't...

I know there were other factors involved in the building of the great 90's teams besides just Jimmy, but he was a integral part.

Never said he wasn't...

I'm not saying definitively that Jerry is reverting back 100% to his previous failed methods. But the fact we are now hiring a possible OC before we have a HC suggests that part is the same as with the Gailey / Campo years.
Now if Garrett is actually being hired as HC, then that takes it to an ever further level that suggests Jerry needs to be committed.

Chuckle... so in your mind, whatever Jerry does in regard to Jason Garrett is gonna be the wrong thing... never mind that ol' Red is highly sought after by a number of teams around the league...

What factual evidence do you have that states he isn't reverting back to his failed ways??? Or are you just jumping to conclusions trying to put a good face on things?

Well, let's see-- first off, he didn't WANT to be looking for a new coach right now, he wanted Parcells to stick around for at least another year... kinda strange thing for a guy who's hungry to take back power to do, wouldn't you say??

You see, unlike you, my mind is wide open in all of this... there are things that Jerry could do that would make me feel OK about this transition, and things that he could do that would hack me off... but until he actually DOES one of them, I don't feel much like rippin' him a new anal orifice because he MIGHT do something stupid...

One wonders why you're so quick to assume the worst in this situation... perhaps if Parcells leaving was Jerry's fault, you might have a point, but it wasn't, so you really don't...

You seem to desperately want to believe that Jerry only wants Garrett because Jason would be the "puppet" he craves, when it's far more likely that Jerry's only following a league-wide trend now, looking for the hot YOUNG coach to bring on board...

 

[silverbear]

No evidence? If Garrett isn't the HC, then that would mean we hired him as OC before having a HC, right?

Bottom line, neither you nor any of the other gloom and doomers around here know WHAT Jerry's doing right now, and you're making yourselves look rather silly by speculating as if you do...

Of course, you do that because Jerry's your convenient designated scapegoat for everything...

 

[Big Dakota]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

Take a season off. Heck take two.

 

[Kalyan]

Just curious as what would your choice for a HC that would be an exciting hire?

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

 

[JPM]

Bottom line, neither you nor any of the other gloom and doomers around here know WHAT Jerry's doing right now, and you're making yourselves look rather silly by speculating as if you do...

Of course, you do that because Jerry's your convenient designated scapegoat for everything...

I thought Bill was the scapegoat, and before him Zimmer was the scapegoat. I get some scapegoats confused.