What a Letdown :(

[DipChit]

I agree that people are jumping to conclusions.. but it's understandable.

To be so hell bent on getting a guy at this point whose coaching experience basically consists of showing QB's snapshots of what the defense is doing between series seems peculiar.

I'm not saying wanting a guy around like him for future consideration is a bad thing, it's just that we're all concerned about the titles being thrown around.

Course it could be that no matter what title he's given, assuming he's not actually going to be the HC (which I think theres 0 chance of) he's not really going to be given THAT much responsibility anyway.

I mean just cause you call him the OC, because thats what you have to call him to have the ability to sign him away in the first place, doesnt mean you have to actualy turn the whole offensive works over to him.

Or is someone from the outside going to be keeping track and say.. No No no.. this'll never do.. you hired him as an OC but thats not really what he's doing.. he's still a gopher.. you cheated!

 

[DizzG]

Im not letdown at all. In fact Im excited about some young blood coming into Dallas with hopefully some fresh ideas

some people are wallowing in misery it seems the past few days and I just dont care to do it. everything is not bad. People laughed at Sean Payton being hired in NO. they laughed on this board and everywhere else too

 

[PosterChild]

Jerry really is as dumb as we all thought, Jason garett I mean really, wow I was really looking forward to next season now were back to the campo/gaily years all over again what an idiot:bang2:

Why is that everytime someone has thought here they decide it's worthy of its very own thread? Setting that aside, assertions such as you made require some rationale. WHY is Jerry dumb in your opinion? What is the basis for your opinion that Garrett isn't qualified to be named HC? I suppose it's conceivable that you are correct, but how we judge?

 

[cowboyed]

This is an empty argument. Being a good businessman, successfully marketing the team and building a state of the art stadium obviously doesn't translate into being a good GM.

Having three SB rings has more to do with Jimmy and his staff than it does the decisions Jerry made. Jerry has those rings, only because he hired his college buddy to coach the team and let him have the power and control to do the job.

Everytime Jerry has taken a total hands-on approach it's been at the detriment of the team.
So forgive me if I don't take your words to heart.

That is quite alright. But what is evident in your flaccid smug rebuttal is that Jones made the decisions to hire the right people. Did you expect him to maybe coach and play as well in order for him to garner your credit?

Yes he is successful in business but however you want to shake and bake it that is the context of professional football. Jones also has operated and helped perpetuate a team with an elite winning legacy. And even though we are in a decade long doldrum despite the hiring of Parcells the owner keeps trying.

Most fans recognize this and that translates into continued fundamental support of this great franchise which also manifests itself right into local business and local government decisions, support and development.

 

[VA Cowboy]

So, Jerry didn't have much success without Jimmy, Jimmy didn't have much success without Jerry...

What this SHOULD tell a LOGICAL individual is that their success was a direct result of their COLLABORATION... if it really was all Jimmy, as you'd have us believe, indeed as you flatly stated, then he should have been able to replicate that success in Miami...

He didn't..

How does Jimmy not winning a SB in Miami automatically mean that Jerry was an integral part of having the Cowboys win in the '90's?
Could it possibly be the other factors that I mentioned?

In your flawed logic, Jimmy didn't replicate the same success in Miami only because he didn't have Jerry. I mean, do you really think Jimmy would've replicated it if Jerry had gone to Miami with him? If not, then how does Jerry automatically play into the equation?

All things being equal, I'm pretty sure Jimmy could've won in Dallas even if Jerry hadn't been there. I'm also pretty sure that the reverse wouldn't be true for Jerry.

Chuckle... so in your mind, whatever Jerry does in regard to Jason Garrett is gonna be the wrong thing... never mind that ol' Red is highly sought after by a number of teams around the league...

I haven't seen one other team seriously consider Jason to be the HC. And, he may prove to be a good OC, but it would be much better to have a situation where the HC is hiring his own assistants. I don't understand why that concept is so difficult to grasp.

One wonders why you're so quick to assume the worst in this situation... perhaps if Parcells leaving was Jerry's fault, you might have a point, but it wasn't, so you really don't...

You seem to desperately want to believe that Jerry only wants Garrett because Jason would be the "puppet" he craves, when it's far more likely that Jerry's only following a league-wide trend now, looking for the hot YOUNG coach to bring on board...

You seem to desperately want to believe that Jerry knows what he's doing and ignoring the fact the every other time he's been totally hands-on it's been a disaster.

And there's nothing wrong with wanting a hot young coach. But at least find someone with some experience. Basically Jerry lost Payton and now it appears he's wanting to find another one, even if it means reaching.

And no, you're mind isn't wide open, because you totally throw out the very real possibility that JJ is following his same old failed methods of the past.
That doesn't mean that this time will automatically be a failure, but if anyone is totally honest with themselves they would have to see that this is similar to how things were done previously.

 

[tsumma]

Dan Reeves, or Rex Ryan on Ron Rivera are good guys available this year

 

[VA Cowboy]

Bottom line, neither you nor any of the other gloom and doomers around here know WHAT Jerry's doing right now, and you're making yourselves look rather silly by speculating as if you do...

Of course, you do that because Jerry's your convenient designated scapegoat for everything...

You don't have any idea either. And this being a message board, it should be expected that people comment and speculate on what is happening with the team.

I don't see why you have such a problem with it, other than the fact that you will obviously defend anything the team does.

It is a FACT that Garrett is being hired. That is not speculation.

If he is being hired for the OC position, then it is a FACT that he was hired prior to a HC being hired. That would not be a speculation.

If he has been hired to be the HC, then it isn't speculative to say he is incredibly inexperienced since he only has two years of coaching as a position coach.

The only ones who look silly are those who blindly defend such decisions and then act like they are "open-minded".

 

[VA Cowboy]

T
Yes he is successful in business but however you want to shake and bake it that is the context of professional football. Jones also has operated and helped perpetuate a team with an elite winning legacy. And even though we are in a decade long doldrum despite the hiring of Parcells the owner keeps trying.

The only thing Jerry has actually done the last ten years to try and reverse the decade long doldrum was hiring BP.

I don't fault him one bit for that not working like we had hoped. But if he really wanted to "perpetuate a team with an elite winning legacy", he would've hired a GM when Jerry left. All he wanted to do at that time was try to win with him in total control.

Hiring BP was the first time since then that he actually made a serious
effort to get back on track.

The only two times we've been moving in the right direction was when he hired Jimmy and BP, and it's no coincidence that's these are the only two times during JJ's ownership that he hasn't made the majority of the decisions.

Logically that would mean we would stick with that blueprint.

All I'm saying is that the evidence we have right now is that this isn't going to be the case.

 

[CATCH17]

Jason Garrett is a pretty hot commodity anyways so its not like the new coach isnt probably going to be on board anyways.

Sean Payton wanted Garret but the Dolphins denied them permission and Payton is all of a sudden a lot of peoples Boys on this board.

 

[notherbob]

Strange...This thing gets more interesting every day yet my interest seems to diminish a little every day. Maybe I'm just a little burned out on football this time of year. I find myself not much caring whom he hires and willing to wait and see how things turn out.

I may be all Cowboyed out and just need a little time away from things.

 

[Kalyan]

Dan Reeves is 63 yrs old. I doubt if he has what it takes for 12 month grind and just witnessed by Parcells last year here.
Rex Ryan/Ron Rivera could be good coordinates, but for HC position, they are as much an unknown as Garret. I can see why Jerry would want to go with somebody he know very well and is a rising star than the other 2.

Dan Reeves, or Rex Ryan on Ron Rivera are good guys available this year