What changed Jerrys mind...

[Thomas82]

Moss will make any QB have a career year if he is at least decent. Cunningham, Culpepper, and now Brady. Imagine what it wouldve been like with Aikman.

We wouldve had the best deep ball receiver and the best intermediate receiver in the game.

Emmitt would have reaped the benefits and probably got another rushing title in 98. That was when we went 8-8 and lost to Ari in the wildcard? Followed by a 6-10 year?

We actually went 10-6 in 1998, and then we went 8-8 in 1999. The 6-10 year you were thinking about was 1997.

 

[Thomas82]

the price he had to pay for not drafting Randy Moss. Forget the fact that he b-slaps the Cowboys just about every time he plays them, but this is more telling:


Over 40 million dollars in salaries and bonuses AND 4 draft picks, including TWO #1 picks. That's the price.

a) Rocket Ismail = 7 years, 21 million dollars, 7 millions signing bonus.

b) James McKnight = inherited contract ( iirc: 2 million dollars a year ), plus a 3rd and 5th round draft picks

c) Joey Galloway= 42 million dollars contract, 12.5 millions signing bonus + 2 number 1 picks.


Neither Rocket or Galloway finished their contracts with Dallas, but between their signing bonuses + the salaries they collected while with the Cowboys, + McNight's salary, the figure should be around 40+ millions.

Not drafting Moss set the franchise back at least 5 years, if not more.

:starspin

 

[tunahelper]

I could care less as long as we win!

 

[Grevus]

I assume you're talking about Pacman and Tank Johnson?

Owens has absolutely no problems outside of the game of football, he has a big mouth.. that's it.

I don't think that qualify's the cowboy's as a safe haven for thugs and criminals.

Other then Pacman and Tank, who else on this team has had problems off the field? You hear nothing about Tank. I agree TO has never seemed to be a problem off the field. He just like to hear himself talk. Plus the media has a mic on him 24/7. I don't think Jerry has sold out. I think he sees a bargain.

 

[Daudr]

Hahahaha oh boy.

He made "a mockery" long before that. What you call making a mockery, I call improving a team. But let it be known that I do not want PacMan on this team, but he does make us better.

He didnt take Moss b/c of the recent troubles that happened back then. We have been a clean team for along time now. Very few arrests, but to answer your quesiton, he changed his mind when we went 5-11 for three straight years and after Parcells left.

He changed his mind long, long before then. He changed it when he brought in Charles Haley. Reading Boys will be Boys: The Glory Days and Party Nights of the Dallas Cowboys Dynasty will open your eyes to a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff that went on. I knew about some of the stuff on the surface from reading newspaper articles back in the day, but the details are a little eye opening about how "rowdy" it really was.

 

[Seven]

I assume you're talking about Pacman and Tank Johnson?

Owens has absolutely no problems outside of the game of football, he has a big mouth.. that's it.

I don't think that qualify's the cowboy's as a safe haven for thugs and criminals.

Best post in the thread.. including the OP

Don't you just love these veiled "iHateTO" threads that pop up every once in awhile. Thank goodness we won last week. This board would have been full of these ridiculous posts for another week had we lost.

Pathetic................. Not one mention of #81 and you two nanny's hurry in to bundle him up.


You're not only on his jock, you've dove inside.

 

[coblue]

I assume you're talking about Pacman and Tank Johnson?

Owens has absolutely no problems outside of the game of football, he has a big mouth.. that's it.

I don't think that qualify's the cowboy's as a safe haven for thugs and criminals.

What has Tank done to be anything but a QUALITY ADDITION to the team?

 

[Don Corleone]

back in 98, I think... Jerry didnt want to draft Randy Moss because of off the field issues, like he was a Champion of higher standards in his Organization. Now, Jerry Jones has made the Cowboys a safe haven for thugs with multiple off the field problems...

Does Jerry make a mockery of Tom Landrys legacy because of the one that got away?

or has losing and poor talent evaluation several years after the Moss debacle taken its toll on the guy that changes his mind like the wind...

I haven't read the other responses yet, but Moss wasn't drafted by Jerry because of the team's earlier off the field issues. Irvin actually called Moss on draft day and apologized to Moss.

Aikman got injured that year against the Broncos in 1998 (broken collarbone) and missed 6 games. We still went 10-6. Having Moss that year might have made a difference, especially against an overachieving Cards team in the playoffs.

 

[Vtwin]

Jerry didn't take Moss because Greg Ellis was still on the board.

 

[Boysboy]

back in 98, I think... Jerry didnt want to draft Randy Moss because of off the field issues, like he was a Champion of higher standards in his Organization. Now, Jerry Jones has made the Cowboys a safe haven for thugs with multiple off the field problems...

Does Jerry make a mockery of Tom Landrys legacy because of the one that got away?

or has losing and poor talent evaluation several years after the Moss debacle taken its toll on the guy that changes his mind like the wind...

Let's just say I'm VERY happy with what Ellis has contributed to us over the years, and Moss likely would have bolted elsewhere during his tenure here.

Yeah-I haven't been too thrilled with what Jerry has done over the last decade, but drafting Ellis over Moss was ONE VERY good thing he did!

 

[Thomas82]

I haven't read the other responses yet, but Moss wasn't drafted by Jerry because of the team's earlier off the field issues. Irvin actually called Moss on draft day and apologized to Moss.

Aikman got injured that year against the Broncos in 1998 (broken collarbone) and missed 6 games. We still went 10-6. Having Moss that year might have made a difference, especially against an overachieving Cards team in the playoffs.

I think so too.

 

[Boysboy]

I think so too.

Not really-both of our starting CBs were hobbled the second half of the season. We had trouble getting off the field on 3rd downs largely b/c of that.

 

[popcorn]

The diffrence is he's not giving up draft picks(i.e, Owens, Pacman, Tank), therefore there is no risk. I think Parcells help drive that point home.

 

[Thomas82]

I remember a few people asking about us going after Randy Moss when he was a FA. I personally think that Randy Moss still has a grudge against the Cowboys for passing on him in 1998. I also find it interesting that he has never lost a game to the Cowboys, no matter what team he was on.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's more than deceptive to compare the "morality" of the Tom Landry era with the "morality" of the Jerry Jones era.

Tom Landry's era wasn't any more moral. (North Dallas Forty was a take-off on the crazy antics of the Landry era Cowboys.) It's just that the media didn't cover that off-field stuff like it does now - not to the degree that it does today.

Remember, in the Tom Landry era, Staubach and Clint Longley got in a fist fight, and there was barely any coverage given to that - until later when Longley wsa long gone.

The climate between those days and these aren't any different. In fact, I would say that it was worse in the Landry days before drug testing and steroid testing.

It's just that Landry himself was such a stand-up, moral guy, and he cast a long shadow that it was presumed the Cowboys were a moral organization.