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I like how everyone has taken it upon themselves to rip the Commanders free agent acqusitions. Granted we have gone on free agent spending sprees in the past, however none of them were under the guidance of Joe Gibbs. Since he has been here look at the Free Agents he has brought in, then think about the ones we have signed this offseason.

Joe Gibbs signed free agents:
Brunell (took us to playoffs)
Phillip Daniels
Cornelius Griffin
Santana Moss
Clinton Porits
David Patten
Shawn Springs
Randy Thomas
Marcus Washington
Renaldo Wynn
Casey Rabach
all of these guys are "core" Commanders guys...there has been one free agent that he brought in that didn't work...Armstead...his track record speaks for itself...i expect nothing less the you all ripping our new guys, but i would think about what Gibbs has done before you speak.
 

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Skinsfan21, you're just opening yourself up for a ****storm here. None of these Cowboy fans would admit to being wrong if they cared.

I agree, minus Patten. Good post.
 

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skinsfan21 said:
I like how everyone has taken it upon themselves to rip the Commanders free agent acqusitions. Granted we have gone on free agent spending sprees in the past, however none of them were under the guidance of Joe Gibbs. Since he has been here look at the Free Agents he has brought in, then think about the ones we have signed this offseason.

Joe Gibbs signed free agents:
Brunell (took us to playoffs)
Phillip Daniels
Cornelius Griffin
Santana Moss
Clinton Porits
David Patten
Shawn Springs
Randy Thomas
Marcus Washington
Renaldo Wynn
Casey Rabach
all of these guys are "core" Commanders guys...there has been one free agent that he brought in that didn't work...Armstead...his track record speaks for itself...i expect nothing less the you all ripping our new guys, but i would think about what Gibbs has done before you speak.

Portis was not a free agent btw.
 

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well i had to put the good w/ the bad not just a biased opinion. i dont care if i opend myself up for a **** storm...im tired of reading posts on all NFC east boards, besides extremeskins, that rip our signings. obviously gibbs knows what we want. im just sticking up for my team, as some cowboy fans do on our board.
 

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Originally Posted by Derinyar
The Commanders are the undisputed kings of March. They have been continually doing the same things, the only thing that has saved them is the rate at which the cap has been expanding. The Cap has been expanding faster than figured on for a whie, especially this year. That has allowed the Skins to no wind up in a huge bind, that and the fact that your core players are still willing to restructre each year. The skins are literally one career ending injury away from a hell of a lot of trouble.

Frankly, I think the Skins "success" in March has hurt them more than its helped them. It makes their Front Office undervalue the draft and drafted players. It means they have to be the Kings of March every year to have any chance at a decent team.

I don't think they are cheating either. Derinyar is most accurate in his statement.

They choose not to keep Champ, Smoot, Lavar, Steven Davis, Pierce...Probably others too. Good players I'm sure they would like to have on their team now. But they are not due to the way Snyder plays. His team his choice. Different coach's over the years have had different styles and want certain players that fit their style, creates a lot of turnover.

Look, we and a few other teams were burned by the cap in earlier years when it was not expanding as fast. It's that simple...

We could do it too, I think JJ just has a little of the burnt stove syndrum. So he doesn't want to go back there.

The Skins could actually be a real force in the NFL if they keep up this strategy. There biggest problem to date is really that they trade too many draft picks and are not that great with the ones they have, especially in the later rounds.

If they continued with their top of the line...Yes I said top of the line cap management...and stopped trading draft picks, got smarter and some late round picks, they could build an outstanding team.

So I see their only real flaws is not in signing the FA's, there fine there as long as the cap keeps expanding (I'm not sure how that works tho?lol.)...but thier problem is trading a lot of picks and then not hitting on many their late round choices.

But all is not lost Dallas fans. The last couple of years OUR drafting has improved considerabliy (is that even a word?).

We could and should be more agressive in Free agency and cap management.

We are running the Eagles cap management mode, which is too try to save money for an emergency and convert extra cash into LTBE incentives to add to our dollars the next year.

Its up to JJ on which mode we want to use.

If JJ was more aggressive and we rolled more with the expanding cap, we would have the advantage because we are better at drafting (part of that is KEEPING your draft picks) and we just have more on hand now.

I didn't think this was a great FA season anyhow, the caps going up another..5-6 million next year so who knows about next year either ?

We just happen to need help at reciever this year and the best one is a dufus were not sure we want to take a chance on (and the draft isn't that great at reciever this year either). We could have been more agressive on 1 of the 2 olinemen (Bently and Hutch) and still would have been fine...But we didn't. Yell at Jerry if your pissed.

Demps, Chavous at FS I would gone hard for too. We have plenty of room left.

Its more of us not being aggressive enough than any cheating by the Skins.

Now 1 more thing. Since they restructured many contracts and spread out the bonus's on several players, they must keep those same players next year. That is where you get screwed. We don't have (or I don't) have the details on this but I think if Brunell or Samuels (and whoever else) were to retire or have a career threatning injury. They would be in trouble.

Their salary grows as the cap grows. In the late 90's our salaries grew faster than the cap...Bottom line.
 

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skinsfan21 said:
well i had to put the good w/ the bad not just a biased opinion. i dont care if i opend myself up for a **** storm...im tired of reading posts on all NFC east boards, besides extremeskins, that rip our signings. obviously gibbs knows what we want. im just sticking up for my team, as some cowboy fans do on our board.

I hear ya.

Also drafting Chris Cooley warrants mentioning on this board, especially since Parcells told him he'd never make it in the league.

It's almost like everyone else has gotten into the habit of bashing the Skins acquisitions so they do it no matter what the results are.
 

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What Cowboys fans DO realize is that Gibbs won that way in a different era, with different rules. He could stockpile depth and keep it there. Doesn't work anymore. The model for success has been set - and it's not the Commanders way.

If you want all rosey opinions of Skins signings, you'd be better served just reading a Skins board. We know better.
 

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I hear ya.

Also drafting Chris Cooley warrants mentioning on this board, especially since Parcells told him he'd never make it in the league.

It's almost like everyone else has gotten into the habit of bashing the Skins acquisitions so they do it no matter what the results are.

Do skins fans actually expect different?

Afterall it is a dallas cowboys board.

We do have the best rivalry in football.
 

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What Commanders fans don't realize: we don't care.

Your team will always be the inferior team- your team started the rivalry and Dallas pretty much dominated it. Dallas came into the league as an expansion club and quite quickly we were routinely beating the Commanders enough to where the Cowboys have close to a 20 victory margin in the series. Dallas has always been a more popular team, been more successful, won more division titles, playoff games, and Super Bowls, had better TV shows about our city and Dallas is a better city than the craphole of D.C.

Dallas fans don't feel the need to run to Commander boards and brag about some other teams garbage that our team signed in free agency. It's this little sisters of the poor mentality and a gross inferiority complex that has earned your fan base its low reputation around the league as being ignorant and braggardly when there is nothing to back it up or show for it.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Do skins fans actually expect different?

Afterall it is a dallas cowboys board.

We do have the best rivalry in football.

Hey man, all I'm asking for is a bit of respect. If the Cowboys had signed all the above listed players and shown it to me, I'd say "Yep, thats a good group there, no doubt." How can you see any other way around it?
 

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why do they sign FREE AGENTS...because if they didnt they would be a BELOW AVERAGE team.... They have to spend money just to be competitive!


I just have one thing to say...how long will it take skins fans to figure out if JASON CAMPBELL cant beat out 35 year OLD BRUNELL in year 2+ he will never be a quality QB!!!

they say "never, say say never".... I'm saying never!

Campbell is at best a QUINCY CARTER clone from the SEC! But I'm once they figure that out they will sign a QB via FREE AGENCY like they did with RAMSEY!!!


one more thing...watching TRENT GREEN in SAUNDERs O for the last few years I will say that JASON CAMPBELL is a misfit much like RAMSEY was with GIBBS O....


the theme rolls on! ask yourself where would the skins be if they didnt OVERSPEND? now go back to Commanders park because I think SEAN TAYLOR is going to need help with all that money he is going to want when he sees ARCHULETTA play!!!
 

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Your tired about reading on this board that we ripping the Skins. Sorry about that, bit I've read the Skins board and they rip on us. Don't see you any better then we are.

But I will say that I'm impressed with some of the FAs the Skins have signed and how Snyder improved his team by adding Saunders as his HC. Also impressed that they brough in Greg Williams as HC & then paid the money to keep him here as HC when Gibbs leaves. Skins will have the stability on defense that is so valuable. I wish we had same situation with the Cowboys; we will be up a creek when Parcells goes cause Jones will screw up with another dumb coaching hire. Satisfied? Unlike some Cowboy fans I can admit to Skins doing right.

Also impressed by your signing of Brandon Lloyd. I wouldn't want Randle El here in Dallas but he will be good for you cause Saunders is creative enough to use him right. We aren't. Also think you picked up 1 nice defensive player. All in all, Skins will be tough to beat this year, but we will give it the old college try.

Hope I'm not banned for being a realist. BTW I'm also one of those guys who extremely concerned over the (shall I say slow start in FA that Cowboys have shown) but can't say more cause I might get banned or else reams of Cowboy fans will jump on me for not being patient enough. Patience is as patience does but no pulse means after several days there chance we dead.
 

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kingwhicker said:
What Commanders fans don't realize: we don't care.

Your team will always be the inferior team- your team started the rivalry and Dallas pretty much dominated it. Dallas came into the league as an expansion club and quite quickly we were routinely beating the Commanders enough to where the Cowboys have close to a 20 victory margin in the series. Dallas has always been a more popular team, been more successful, won more division titles, playoff games, and Super Bowls, had better TV shows about our city and Dallas is a better city than the craphole of D.C.

Dallas fans don't feel the need to run to Commander boards and brag about some other teams garbage that our team signed in free agency. It's this little sisters of the poor mentality and a gross inferiority complex that has earned your fan base its low reputation around the league as being ignorant and braggardly when there is nothing to back it up or show for it.

Yup, yup, yup....you Sir, have earned two Silver Stars!

:star: :star:
 

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Hey man, all I'm asking for is a bit of respect. If the Cowboys had signed all the above listed players and shown it to me, I'd say "Yep, thats a good group there, no doubt." How can you see any other way around it?

Because when it comes to the Skins vs Cowboys rivalry you will have that.

Just like on Skins boards when there was talk that the CBA might not get done I recall hearing that someone was saying how they, the skins, would be better off if they did not sign any name FAs.

Yet that has changed.

Just like how Brandon Nobel was a nobody when he was here but the minute he signed there he was the perfect "Blocker Magnet" and would make all the difference.

It's homeristic rants and raves and to expect anything else is kind of silly.
 

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kingwhicker said:
What Commanders fans don't realize: we don't care.

Your team will always be the inferior team- your team started the rivalry and Dallas pretty much dominated it. Dallas came into the league as an expansion club and quite quickly we were routinely beating the Commanders enough to where the Cowboys have close to a 20 victory margin in the series. Dallas has always been a more popular team, been more successful, won more division titles, playoff games, and Super Bowls, had better TV shows about our city and Dallas is a better city than the craphole of D.C.

Dallas fans don't feel the need to run to Commander boards and brag about some other teams garbage that our team signed in free agency. It's this little sisters of the poor mentality and a gross inferiority complex that has earned your fan base its low reputation around the league as being ignorant and braggardly when there is nothing to back it up or show for it.

What a bitter little man you must be.

Your team only exceeds in popularity when you're winning superbowls. In the 90's, cowboy stuff was everywhere. Now I'm not calling everyone on here a bandwagon hopper, because I know thats not the case, but you have to admit (and I know you won't) that there are a lot of people that hopped on the Cowboys bandwagon and hopped off when the going got rough.

Also, go over to ES, there's a bunch of cowboys fans on there.

(Cue to the predictable joke about Art from kingwhicker...)
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Because when it comes to the Skins vs Cowboys rivalry you will have that.

Just like on Skins boards when there was talk that the CBA might not get done I recall hearing that someone was saying how they, the skins, would be better off if they did not sign any name FAs.

Yet that has changed.

Just like how Brandon Nobel was a nobody when he was here but the minute he signed there he was the perfect "Blocker Magnet" and would make all the difference.

It's homeristic rants and raves and to expect anything else is kind of silly.

I'm not gonna dispute that Noble didn't work out. We were excited to have him, but he couldn't stay healthy, so be it.

All I'm saying is that some people can't man up enough to admit when another team in the rivalry has done something good.
 

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What a bitter little man you must be.

Your team only exceeds in popularity when you're winning superbowls. In the 90's, cowboy stuff was everywhere. Now I'm not calling everyone on here a bandwagon hopper, because I know thats not the case, but you have to admit (and I know you won't) that there are a lot of people that hopped on the Cowboys bandwagon and hopped off when the going got rough.

Also, go over to ES, there's a bunch of cowboys fans on there.

(Cue to the predictable joke about Art from kingwhicker...)

Why would I be bitter? Just because I laid out the facts? And as for bandwagoners, I sure saw a lot of moth riddled 1991 Commanders gear during your great playoff run last year.
 
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