What Did We Learn About the Eagles?

Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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What we learned about the Eagles is they are a hundred times better than the Cowboys................ LOL!
 
We learned what we already knew, Hirts is better than Dak in managing a football game. Barkley was contained and Hurts found a way to win on the back of a great defense. We’ve heard enough on here about how bad Hirts is and he just put the doubters to shame. That’s his second Super Bowl appearance in three years, first one he threw for nearly 400 yards, didn’t need to do that last night. Dak can’t sniff an nfc championship and he’s had better offenses that were like this last year. Defenses win championship and we still have fans wanting more offense.lol. Dallas is years behind and won’t be winning anything any time soon:/.
 
We learned the basic most important thing about football their owner wanted to win the Super bowl more than anyone else.
We learned their owner was smart enough to employ a man who knew how to build a team to get that job done.

If you were paying attention back then you also saw their owner make a mistake hiring Chip Kelly admit his mistake and put the man that built this team back in charge something our owner would never do admit that he had made a mistake and someone else could do the job better.

We learned that the basics of football still matter that many times might makes right. As we saw the eagles scour the planet for the most giant powerful men to man their offensive line.
A line that boasted the biggest men ever to play in a Super bowl together.
We learned that the right moves in free agency can take you over the top.
We saw the eagles in a situation similar to ours where they paid Carson Wentz like we have paid DAk then realize their mistake and drafted Jalen hurts.

We learned the best teams make mistakes too but are not too prideful to fix them. Part of the reason why they've been in the Super bowl and won it and we watch it.
We have also learned after watching them that they should be a powerhouse for a while to come and we need to retool to compete
 
Wangchung83 said:
We learned what we already knew, Hirts is better than Dak in managing a football game. Barkley was contained and Hurts found a way to win on the back of a great defense. We’ve heard enough on here about how bad Hirts is and he just put the doubters to shame. That’s his second Super Bowl appearance in three years, first one he threw for nearly 400 yards, didn’t need to do that last night. Dak can’t sniff an nfc championship and he’s had better offenses that were like this last year. Defenses win championship and we still have fans wanting more offense.lol. Dallas is years behind and won’t be winning anything any time soon:/.
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Hurts has had top tier talent surrounding him at every aspect of his team, that played lights out throughout the season, playoffs and SB. Where one aspect lacked another stepped up, this is what we call a team.

JJ has never built a team like that since the early 90's. So putting it all on Dak doesn't work.
 
They knew when to cut their losses with Carson Wentz!

We doubled down on Dak and now we are screwed for several years!
 
Look at the Eagles lineup across the board. They have BY FAR the most talented team in the league. There are Pro Bowlers at every single position on offense and defense.

It's not because they have some unique philosophy of building the line of scrimmage. They just spent their top 2 picks on corner backs. They spent 1st rd picks on their two star receivers.
 
I learned I hate them even more lol. Going back to the early 70s I couldn't stand them. I also learned I respect how they turned everything around after last year. Kinda refreshing. They imploded last year, coach Nick could have easily been fired. But the team, GM, owner rallied and looked into the mirror and decided they had a plan, they tinkered and fixed it. Something we never seem to do around here. We stay static. Going on 30 years. Btw, my wife whose an Eagle fan loved the game. It picked up her spirits. As many of you may know, she's almost in hospice. On oxygen, bedridden etc. She really enjoyed the game.
 
Swagger said:
Dak can't run. Hurts rushed for several key first downs and 72 yards in total (I heard it was a Superbowl record for a QB). Hurts also threw some absolute dimes on his deep balls...I'm unsure if Dak wins that game last night. Zero threat with his legs with a noodle arm. The Eagles defense played lights out but the offense also put constant pressure on the Chiefs' offense either through scoreboard pressure or consistently giving the Chiefs very challenging field positions.
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Dak or any other QB wouldn’t have to win that game. The eagles DL absolutely dominated Mahomes who is the best QB in the NFL.

Yeah Hurts had a good game - he’s a good QB. But he’s nothing special. The eagles don’t have to have a special QB. The chiefs have the best QB in the league and you see what that means when the other team has a great DL.
 
Bobhaze said:
Dak or any other QB wouldn’t have to win that game. The eagles DL absolutely dominated Mahomes who is the best QB in the NFL.

Yeah Hurts had a good game - he’s a good QB. But he’s nothing special. The eagles don’t have to have a special QB. The chiefs have the best QB in the league and you see what that means when the other team has a great DL.
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Exactly and football at any level, going back to it's inception, has been this way. The best cryptonite for a great offense and QB is a great defense. Conversely, we saw what can beat a great chiefs d. It was a stout Oline with great RB. Saquan didn't have gawdy numbers last night but make no mistake, they had to account for him all game which helped Hurts drive the bus to victory. The Oline was Elite. The d was Elite and the chiefs Oline was exposed, as was the fact they can't run the ball against very good defenses. Old-school football once again is how chips are won. Always has been, always will be.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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Great post. Very informative. Funny thing is, YOU can see the glaring errors our team makes and the guys making $$millions don't. And it's not just one coach or OC. Someone (Jerry)is demanding we fit a square peg(Prescott) into a round hole. To the detriment of the entire franchise. It's also unfair to Dak to put all of that on him. I need a drink.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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When your GM builds a team for a passing league, why would you be surprised that we can't run the ball?
 
Teague31 said:
They sacked Mahomes 6 times and harassed him on nearly every throw. And they didn’t call a single blitz. Not a one. It’s the type of D Eberflus can only dream of with big and little calling the shots
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That Jerry sucks as a GM.
 
We learned that the Eagles front office is running circles around the clown show in Dallas.
 
StarOfGlory said:
Did you watch the game??? Build the lines first. Don't do what the Giants did when they drafted Barkley.
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Jeanty was pedestrian against Penn State. Of course JJ will take him to sell merch, but as the NYG Barkley experience (bad) and last night (defense, defense, defense) proves, it would not be the best pick for the Cowboys.
 
Swagger said:
Dak can't run. Hurts rushed for several key first downs and 72 yards in total (I heard it was a Superbowl record for a QB). Hurts also threw some absolute dimes on his deep balls...I'm unsure if Dak wins that game last night. Zero threat with his legs with a noodle arm. The Eagles defense played lights out but the offense also put constant pressure on the Chiefs' offense either through scoreboard pressure or consistently giving the Chiefs very challenging field positions.
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Agreed. Yes the defense was dominant and the roster is stacked, but Hurts was VERY sharp yesterday, and totally composed other than that one bone head interception.
 
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