What Did We Learn About the Eagles?

Chuck 54 said:
You are missing out on the key role Barkley had. Ignore stats, and there’s still an argument for him being the most valuable player. They ran him more times than Hurts threw passes because that forced the defense to play the run with everyone on the field. KC has a great secondary; why do you think the Philly receivers were wide open all game. Do you even recall a tight window throw? They were running past the DBs and safeties. After that one panicked int by Hurts, if guys weren’t open, he threw it to Barkley.

When you are only called upon to pass 20-22 times a game, you are going to find stud receivers open most of the time. Like most QBs, Hirts has not been successful when asked to pass 30+ times per game. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff, and going back to Aikman and Breez, etc, even the elite QBs have trouble throwing 35-40 times a game because there’s no balance, and the pass rush is completely different, as is the coverage. You have to have playmakers, but you also have to make the defense read, expect, and play the run, and as we saw in the Eagles win, you have to keep runn8ng it even when it isn’t working.
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Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense.
 
Bobhaze said:
In short we learned 3 big things (if we didn’t already know):
  • Having a GM and FO that knows what they’re doing with the salary cap matters a TON.
  • Building a dominant OL and DL is the REAL foundation of a great team. There are probably 10-15 QBs in the NFL that could have won that game last night for the egirls.
  • When you have dominant trench players your skill position players don’t have to win every game for you.
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Exactly......................of course we all knew this already, but the Super Bowl just reinforced it.

In short, the Eagles have a front office that actually knows what the hell they are doing and they dont have jobs for life, they actually have to do a good job or they get fired. Weird concept, I know.

That same front office has built one of the best rosters in the NFL, especially by focusing on the trenches. Their offensive and defensive lines are the class of the NFL. They also actually use free agency, they dont avoid it like the plague, yeah again, weird concept, I know.
 
mote said:
Exactly. An overmatched O-Line is going to make even the best players look bad. He's not the answer, but he will for sure be the pick if he's there.
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Look at Barkely before and after. Easy example. Marshawn Lynch w/ a bad BUFF team as compared to his SEA days.

I'm not sure Jeantty is good or not, but using the Penn St game as a barometer is a poor way too judge. That's like judging a HS team vs a NCAAF team.
 
BigWillie said:
We learned that it helps to actually hit on some defensive lineman thru the draft.

If you want something that will make you sick, go look at the d-line players we have drafted over the last 15 years.

With the exception of DLaw, not a single guy you would call a difference maker.

I don’t consider Micah a hit for the d-line seeing as how he was drafted as a LB and converted down mid season.
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I'm trying to think of even one, and coming up empty!!!!

The last DL we drafted who was a difference maker aside from DLaw? Jason Hatcher, I guess?
 
kskboys said:
Look at Barkely before and after. Easy example. Marshawn Lynch w/ a bad BUFF team as compared to his SEA days.

I'm not sure Jeantty is good or not, but using the Penn St game as a barometer is a poor way too judge. That's like judging a HS team vs a NCAAF team.
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Which O-line does Dallas most reflect, the Eagles' or Giants'?
 
Blackrain said:
We learned the basic most important thing about football their owner wanted to win the Super bowl more than anyone else.
We learned their owner was smart enough to employ a man who knew how to build a team to get that job done.

If you were paying attention back then you also saw their owner make a mistake hiring Chip Kelly admit his mistake and put the man that built this team back in charge something our owner would never do admit that he had made a mistake and someone else could do the job better.

We learned that the basics of football still matter that many times might makes right. As we saw the eagles scour the planet for the most giant powerful men to man their offensive line.
A line that boasted the biggest men ever to play in a Super bowl together.
We learned that the right moves in free agency can take you over the top.
We saw the eagles in a situation similar to ours where they paid Carson Wentz like we have paid DAk then realize their mistake and drafted Jalen hurts.

We learned the best teams make mistakes too but are not too prideful to fix them. Part of the reason why they've been in the Super bowl and won it and we watch it.
We have also learned after watching them that they should be a powerhouse for a while to come and we need to retool to compete
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Chuck 54 said:
You are missing out on the key role Barkley had. Ignore stats, and there’s still an argument for him being the most valuable player. They ran him more times than Hurts threw passes because that forced the defense to play the run with everyone on the field. KC has a great secondary; why do you think the Philly receivers were wide open all game. Do you even recall a tight window throw? They were running past the DBs and safeties. After that one panicked int by Hurts, if guys weren’t open, he threw it to Barkley.

When you are only called upon to pass 20-22 times a game, you are going to find stud receivers open most of the time. Like most QBs, Hirts has not been successful when asked to pass 30+ times per game. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff, and going back to Aikman and Breez, etc, even the elite QBs have trouble throwing 35-40 times a game because there’s no balance, and the pass rush is completely different, as is the coverage. You have to have playmakers, but you also have to make the defense read, expect, and play the run, and as we saw in the Eagles win, you have to keep runn8ng it even when it isn’t working.
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Very well said. Hurts is not good when asked to throw a ton, this has been established.
 
GMO415 said:
Bobhaze said:
In short we learned 3 big things (if we didn’t already know):
  • Having a GM and FO that knows what they’re doing with the salary cap matters a TON.
  • Building a dominant OL and DL is the REAL foundation of a great team. There are probably 10-15 QBs in the NFL that could have won that game last night for the egirls.
  • When you have dominant trench players your skill position players don’t have to win every game for you.
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BULLET!!!!
Nominated for post of the year.
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We all know these except Jerry it seems
 
We learned that you don't have to have a top tier QB. You need one who can move the ball consistently and you need a front 4 on D that disrupts the opposing QB. Everything else is optional.
 
kskboys said:
We learned that you don't have to have a top tier QB. You need one who can move the ball consistently and you need a front 4 on D that disrupts the opposing QB. Everything else is optional.
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Well, a good o-line is not optional as well. I think you'd agree with that.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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What did we really learn? That Jerry gave too much power to McCarthy....and should have stuck with Kellen. Very possible...we could have been here in the Superbowl...Instead....here we are starting over...again....with a QB nobody in their right mind would try to build around.

So what did we really learn? That Jerry hasn't figured out how to build a winning organization in the 30 years without Jimmy.
 
kskboys said:
We learned that you don't have to have a top tier QB. You need one who can move the ball consistently and you need a front 4 on D that disrupts the opposing QB. Everything else is optional.
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What is “a top tier QB”? Stafford, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Love, Prescott, Lawrence, Goff. Only Mahomes and Jackson have a higher win percentage as a starting quarterback than Hurts. Only Mahomes and Burrow have a higher winning percentage in playoff games than Hurts. Only Mahomes has won more and been in more Super Bowls than Hurts. Those ten quarterbacks’ collective win/loss record vs. Hurts as opposing starting quarterback is 5-14. Except for Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts is the best quarterback in the NFL today. Incredibly the only two paid less per season than Hurts are Stafford and Mahomes.
 
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