What exactly is missing with our Offensive Line?

[Coogiguy03]

Besides needing an entire new scheme/game plan, what exactly in our starting 5 lineman are causing us not to get good movement on the defense.

Guyton-Rookie, he needs more time, thrown into the fire far too early.

Tyler Smith- Probably our best lineman right now

Cooper- Rookie, has some toughness, thrown in the fire too early, not his fault

Martin- Not the same player he was in years past, probably won't be playing much longer due to age/skills declining

Steele-Not the same player, excelled in one aspect of blocking, now it seems that he's not excelling in anything!


How does our O-line compare or not to the other O-lines in the NFL that our defense faces? It seems that these lineman are firing off the ball, and they're moving guys out of the way consistently. For our o-line, it seems that on the snap, our guys are getting pushed back, and we're not firing off and staying with our blocks. Please give your thoughts on what you see our O-line struggling with......

 

[Hawkeye19]

Solari should have been fired a long time ago. The guy is ancient and the whole unit is under-performing IMO.

I think it is a combination of an outdated scheme, and a bad fit in terms of the talent we have.

Bottom line is that this OL should be more productive overall than it has been.

Holding out a measure of hope that they will start to hit their stride around game 6 like they did last year— but it is not looking good so far.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Solari should have been fired a long time ago. The guy is ancient and the whole unit is under-performing IMO.

I think it is a combination of an outdated scheme, and a bad fit in terms of the talent we have.

Bottom line is that this OL should be more productive overall than it has been.

Holding out a measure of hope that they will start to hit their stride around game 6 like they did last year— but it is not looking good so far.

I hear you on that, if that does happen, why does it take us so long? Like what are they doing all summer and in the spring

 

[Cowboys5217]

I hear you on that, if that does happen, why does it take us so long? Like what are they doing all summer and in the spring

Setting up the Cirque du JonesBoys.

 

[gtb1943]

I am hoping Martin is not declining as much as some think
Guyton is raw and needs more experience
Beebe is getting better and frankly I think is better than Biadasz
Tyler is the boss
Steele sadly just has not recovered and now its doubtful he ever will

 

[Coogiguy03]

Setting up the Cirque du JonesBoys.

looooooooool

 

[Teague31]

An OL coach under 100 would be a good place to start

 

[Coogiguy03]

I am hoping Martin is not declining as much as some think
Guyton is raw and needs more experience
Beebe is getting better and frankly I think is better than Biadasz
Tyler is the boss
Steele sadly just has not recovered and now its doubtful he ever will

Good points GTB

 

[Coogiguy03]

An OL coach under 100 would be a good place to start

loooooooooooool a DC as well, would love to see a young energized guy come in here and revamp our entire offensive scheme. Take every play out of it, install a new one, if Dak can't grasp it, there's an issue

 

[gtb1943]

loooooooooooool a DC as well, would love to see a young energized guy come in here and revamp our entire offensive scheme. Take every play out of it, install a new one, if Dak can't grasp it, there's an issue

ginger was young
so youth is not everything

 

[baltcowboy]

Besides needing an entire new scheme/game plan, what exactly in our starting 5 lineman are causing us not to get good movement on the defense.

Guyton-Rookie, he needs more time, thrown into the fire far too early.

Tyler Smith- Probably our best lineman right now

Cooper- Rookie, has some toughness, thrown in the fire too early, not his fault

Martin- Not the same player he was in years past, probably won't be playing much longer due to age/skills declining

Steele-Not the same player, excelled in one aspect of blocking, now it seems that he's not excelling in anything!


How does our O-line compare or not to the other O-lines in the NFL that our defense faces? It seems that these lineman are firing off the ball, and they're moving guys out of the way consistently. For our o-line, it seems that on the snap, our guys are getting pushed back, and we're not firing off and staying with our blocks. Please give your thoughts on what you see our O-line struggling with......

An offensive line coach who didn’t coach with Tom Laundry. Seriously time. Two rookie linemen need time to develop.

 

[offlimits]

A quality RB would only need a crack to get into the secondary. We don't have one and Dowdle would be a 3rd back on most good teams. JMO.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

A quality RB would only need a crack to get into the secondary. We don't have one and Dowdle would be a 3rd back on most good teams. JMO.

Are you saying theres actually a crack? Pssh
And screw that crack noise...how about a pancake 5 yards up yhe field. How bout this even...rb ridin coat tails up the field for a change.

Crack shmack.. niceshot at the rbs though.

 

[KJJ]

We have two young players upfront so experience is missing. Some fans got a little too excited about the young player additions thinking they were going to step in and hit the ground running. There were a number of bold predictions being made about our OL. Those usually backfire. I told everyone to tap the brakes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Tyler Smith- Probably our best lineman right now.

Probably???

 

[Creeper]

Sometimes I think it is scheme. Sometimes I think it is talent. Guyton and Steele right now are not good pass blockers. Bother struggle with speed rushers. Beebe is doing well for a rookie but he needs more experience at the position. He has the power so that is not something we need to wait for. I think Guyton needs to get stronger in h is upper body. I have seen some guys run through his arms. We're used to seeing Tyron get his arms out and stoning guys right in their tracks.

 

[Whirlwin]

Solari should have been fired a long time ago. The guy is ancient and the whole unit is under-performing IMO.

I think it is a combination of an outdated scheme, and a bad fit in terms of the talent we have.

Bottom line is that this OL should be more productive overall than it has been.

Holding out a measure of hope that they will start to hit their stride around game 6 like they did last year— but it is not looking good so far.

Attitude

 

[CyberB0b]

Starting two rookies, what do you expect?

 

[Mr_437]

A good coach

 

[StarOfGlory]

Besides needing an entire new scheme/game plan, what exactly in our starting 5 lineman are causing us not to get good movement on the defense.

Guyton-Rookie, he needs more time, thrown into the fire far too early.

Tyler Smith- Probably our best lineman right now

Cooper- Rookie, has some toughness, thrown in the fire too early, not his fault

Martin- Not the same player he was in years past, probably won't be playing much longer due to age/skills declining

Steele-Not the same player, excelled in one aspect of blocking, now it seems that he's not excelling in anything!


How does our O-line compare or not to the other O-lines in the NFL that our defense faces? It seems that these lineman are firing off the ball, and they're moving guys out of the way consistently. For our o-line, it seems that on the snap, our guys are getting pushed back, and we're not firing off and staying with our blocks. Please give your thoughts on what you see our O-line struggling with......

Two rookies that need game experience at the NFL level. Can't judge them on four games.

Tyler Smith is our stud on the line and will be for the next ten years if he stays healthy.

Sadly, Martin is on the tail end of a HoF career. He is still better than half the guards in the league, but his foot speed is down a notch.

Steele...IDK what happened to him. His footwork has regressed. He is sluggish too often at the point of attack. Lingering effects of injury? He never had the best technique to fall back on.

Detroit has a great vet leader at center in all-pro Ragnow, and a true stud in all-pro Penei Sewell at tackle. Their o-line coach, Hank Fraley, is quite competent with teaching blocking schemes and believes in attacking the defense. We'll see them in the playoffs, I hope. I know Rags is hurt a bit but there back-up center has filled in well enough.

Philly's o-line is the largest in the league and run blocks very well when allowed too. We know how good their tackles are. Their o-line coach, Jeff Stoutland, is probably the best in the business. He has Mekti (sp?) Becton shifting from tackle (where he wasn't very good) to guard, where he now looks like a beast. Add in Landon Dickerson and a still learning Jurgens and any QB other than Hurts thrives. Philly's line is being wasted protecting crappy Hurts.

The Chiefs with all-pros Joe Thuney and Creed Humphries are likewise a unit with solid coaching and an attacking philosophy. Andy Reid will not let players with sloppy technique play on his line.

Guys, our o-line doesn't suck as badly as some make it out to be. We don't attack a defense, but I don't belive all of our lineman can play that game. No, we don't have the talent across the line like the lines I mentioned, nor do we have the coaching those lines have. But give our rooks time. It's been four games. I am more concerned with the veteran right side of our line. If Steele is what we see now, we will have two holes to fill next year or the following year at the latest, while hoping our rookies make a leap in their second year. We're a middle of the pack line at this time with potential to get better because our rookies grow, or get worse as our right side vets struggle.

Maybe revisit this halfway in.