what Garrett needs to demand of Jerry

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is get Dom Capers, now. JG will be the HC in 2010, he needs is choice of DC on the staff now, so that he can help with the drafting of defensive players.
 

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So I go into an interview with another company and get turned down for a job for not being good/qualified enough, I now have the leverage to walk into my current employer and start making demands? Especially when my current employer knew I was interviewing elsewhere and made no indication they wanted to fight to keep me? Sweet.
 

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theogt;2584136 said:
So he can run the defense into the ground. Fantastic.

Not sure what you have against Capers. He's been successful everywhere he's been.
 

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BHendri5;2584131 said:
is get Dom Capers, now. JG will be the HC in 2010, he needs is choice of DC on the staff now, so that he can help with the drafting of defensive players.
JG as Head Coach what hell you smoking? I don't Jason Garrett as Offense Coordinator nor Head Coach .
 

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JordanTaber;2584148 said:
Not sure what you have against Capers. He's been successful everywhere he's been.
Are you dense?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144040

Chocolate Lab;2580383 said:
Here are the stats for his defenses this decade.

NFL rank in points, yards

00 Jaguars 16,12
02 Texans 20,16
03 Texans 27,31
04 Texans 15,23
05 Texans 32,31
06 Dolphins 05,04
07 Dolphins 30,23

Average over the last six years he's been a head coach or DC:

25, 23


Just FYI.
 

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ms9221;2584150 said:
JG as Head Coach what hell you smoking? I don't Jason Garrett as Offense Coordinator nor Head Coach .

Jason Garrett will be the next Head Coach.

Bookit!
 

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Maikeru-sama;2584212 said:
Dom Capers couldn't get it done with a new franchise like the Houston Texans and very below average pre-2008 Miami Dolphins?

Im Shocked :rolleyes: .

Serioulsy, people act like the guy was working with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens or the underachieving but very talented Dallas Cowboys Defense.
Well, let's go with the Panthers, who he coached from 1995-1998. That defense started out fine, but they consistently deteriorated (7th, 10th, 15th, 30th) and by his last season with them they had the last ranked defense in the league. Last. As in worst.

And the Dolphins had a pretty good defense when he came to town. By the time he was finished with them, they were miserable.

The guy has lived for 15 years off his two seasons with the steelers.
 

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theogt;2584193 said:

He wasn't the defensive coordinator in Houston (and didn't run the defense, period) so you can throw those 4 out the window.

That leaves his brilliant season with the 2006 Dolphins and a respectable one with the Jaguars, plus the downfall Dolphins year of 2007.

And take a look at what he did with the 1999 Jaguars defense while you're at it:

1st, 4th
 

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JordanTaber;2584231 said:
He wasn't the defensive coordinator in Houston (and didn't run the defense, period) so you can throw those 4 out the window.

That leaves his brilliant season with the 2006 Dolphins and a respectable one with the Jaguars, plus the downfall Dolphins year of 2007.

And take a look at what he did with the 1999 Jaguars defense while you're at it:

1st, 4th

Would you take him on your 49ers?
 

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theogt;2584221 said:
Well, let's go with the Panthers, who he coached from 1995-1998. That defense started out fine, but they consistently deteriorated (7th, 10th, 15th, 30th) and by his last season with them they had the last ranked defense in the league. Last. As in worst.

And the Dolphins had a pretty good defense when he came to town. By the time he was finished with them, they were miserable.

The guy has lived for 15 years off his two seasons with the steelers.

Again, he was head coach of the Panthers during that era.

Care to look at the Miami defense the year before he arrived?

15th and 18th.

He came in, decided to go against the grain and move Jason Taylor to OLB, and the latter rewarded him with a DPOY season.
 

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Garrett isn't demanding anything.
He is closer to getting fired than getting begged to stick around.
At least he would be if I were in charge.
 

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JordanTaber;2584231 said:
And take a look at what he did with the 1999 Jaguars defense while you're at it:

1st, 4th
And look at what he did in his 2nd season with them - 12th and 16th.

Runs them into the ground much?

JordanTaber;2584247 said:
Again, he was head coach of the Panthers during that era.
LOL. As if that excuses him from coaching a terrible defense.

Care to look at the Miami defense the year before he arrived?

15th and 18th.

He came in, decided to go against the grain and move Jason Taylor to OLB, and the latter rewarded him with a DPOY season.
They averaged 12th ranked defense in both points and yards during the 3 years before him. They averaged 14th in yards and 18th in points with Capers.

Like I said, runs them into the ground.
 

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theogt;2584272 said:
And look at what he did in his 2nd season with them - 12th and 16th.

Runs them into the ground much?

LOL. As if that excuses him from coaching a terrible defense.

They averaged 12th ranked defense in both points and yards during the 3 years before him. They averaged 14th in yards and 18th in points with Capers.

Like I said, runs them into the ground.

You're wasting your time with this guy. Common sense and numbers mean nothing.
 

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theogt;2584272 said:
And look at what he did in his 2nd season with them - 12th and 16th.

Runs them into the ground much?

Run them into the ground, or have the unit revert to its old mediocre ways? They were 17th and 25th the year before he arrived (1998).

If he ran any good thing into the ground, it was a good thing that HE created.


LOL. As if that excuses him from coaching a terrible defense.

Being the head coach and the defensive coordinator (especially when you're a head coach who doesn't call the defense) are two completely separate things.

Just ask Wade Phillips. Remember how poorly the defense was playing this year prior to him taking the headset?

Or how about him during his days as the Broncos' head coach? One of the things he said during his introductory interview was that he was going to run the defense in Dallas; he'd learned his lesson from his Denver days when he didn't do so and the unit flopped.

All this shows is that Dom Capers is not cut out to be a head coach.

They averaged 12th ranked defense in both points and yards during the 3 years before him. They averaged 14th in yards and 18th in points with Capers.

Like I said, runs them into the ground.

2 and 3 years is a pretty large period of time in the modern NFL. The 2006 unit under Capers overachieved by a considerable amount.
 

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Wade Phillips is the "Godfather" of the "Phillips 34". He is one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL. Jerry Jones knows the score. He isn't going to just toss Wade Phillips to the sharks like some would like him to do. Phillips' defense gave the offense plenty of opportunites to win games down the stretch and in October. The offense responded by finishing 2nd in turnovers and playing sloppy football, at critical times, during critical games. There were way too many 3 or 4 and outs this year, and the offense needs to be fixed.

Wade Phillips has confidence in Jason Garrett, and he must have a good relationship with him, or I think he would have stepped down. When Phillilps took over the defense and when Terence Newman came back, the defense went off and looked like a unit that could win a Super Bowl. When Phillips took over Read's duties, the special teams got better, except for the punter.

The guy knows how to coach. He won 13 games his first year, but that wasn't what everyone wanted. How dare the Cowboys do what the Colts and many other teams have done recently. This year the Cowboys' offense and special teams killed them. Phillips had a $ 3 million dollar offensive coordinator with one full year of experience and no Tony Sparano to help him see the big picture and help with protections. I mention the money, because with the money, comes great responsibility. After all, Jason Garrett was an assistant head coach and the "next head coach" in wating. Yet, it's Phillips' head that people want despite his side of the ball's success.

For many, Phillips has never been forgiven for the team losing the playoff game, and many never wanted him in the first place. He is portrayed as some "country idiot". I have never in my life seen a head coach, with two years in one place, treated with so much venom. Many want to put the blame for the team's failures on Phillips, but they ignore that Jason Garrett was making $ 3 million dollars to run the entire offense. Terrell Owens is Jerry's pet. He answers to Jerry. Is it any wonder, the Water Pistol and Greg Ellis ran to Jones?

The call for tossing Phillips aside for Jason Garrett to coach the team isn't right, and Jerry Jones knows it isn't fair. It looks like Garrett has an opportunity to be the future coach of the Cowboys if he can cash in. If and when that time ever comes, perhaps Phillips will stay and continue to coach the defense.

Good luck finding someone better.
 

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ESPN website says that the Giants want Capers. He worked with Coughlin in Jacksonville.
 
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