What Happens if Bledsoe is Injuried?

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Bledsoe:

4500+ seasons = 1
4000+ seasons = 2
3500+ seasons = 4

Dude wins a Super Bowl here he is Canton Bound. 50,000+ career yards and pushing 300 Career TD's. Just like we razz Steelers, NFL is too bias to SB winning players unlike baseball..... Brady can have an average career out and gets in because of his teams......??????
 

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Brady can have an average career out and gets in because of his teams......??????

His three rings to Bledsoe's zero have more to do with it.
 

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The defense scored 14 points in 2003, that's less than 1 point per game. You really think you can win a game by scoring that much. You said those teams were severely challenged offensively, you're right, but that's what made our defense look so good, despite not having a pass rush and finishing near the bottom of the NFl in defensive turnovers. Carter had to be the difference because we had a pedestrian Rb, receivers who ran poor routes, dropped balls and wouldn't come back to the ball and a leaky offensive line. Carter set a Cowboys record for passing yards in a season, he also threw the highest td total since Aikman with 17,which matches Aikman's 2nd highest total for tds and Carter did it in his first full season and without a hall of fame RB,WR and TE like Aikman had and the Cowboys had pass rushers, corner backs who could get ints. Yeah, the Cowboys receivers had one of the highest dropped pass stats in the league with Bryant dropping a whopping 20%.

And don't tell about how bad the other teams offenses were, because the Cowboys offense was playing the other teams defenses which were pretty good, what's being missed here is that the Cowboy defense caught the breaks because they were playing against poor offenses, while Carter was playing against tough defenses. The bottom line is that the Cowboys defense played well against pedestrian offenses in 2003 while Carter played reasonably well against tough defenses and without a legitamate starting RB.

Your contention that Carter was not any good and that the rest of the team propped him up was blown to smitherines because:
A) the Cowboys D was shown to be a paper tiger against good offense in 2004
B) Vinny's numbers were no better than Carter's with a better supporting cast and weaker defenses to play against and more experience
D) Parcells showed that his genius alone wasn't what got this team to the playoffs,i.e.he didn't make it the playoffs without Quincy,but Quincy showed he could improve his qb rating,completion percentage and td to int ratio and help a team get to the playoffs without Parcells.
C) Hambrick still couldn't beat out E.Smith in Arizona or anyone else

Doesn't matter how you break down the defense. The facts are that we ran for more yards, while QC was here. We threw for less while QC was here. We allowed significantly fewer points scored, passing yards and rushing yards while QC was here. We scored more, threw for more and ran for less while Vinnie was here. The defense certainly gave up more. Vinnie's QB numbers were better. All this from an 18 year vet who should have been retired, in his first year with the Cowboys. Any way you slice it, Carter was not the deference.

We lost to Atlanta even without Vick.

We got extremely lucky with the Giants.

We beat a Jets team minus Pennington, holding Martin to 64 yards. Carter didn't do that. (BTW, Carter's numbers in that game 11/23 165 1td 1int. Tbone runs for 127 and the team rushes for 200. Testeverde is 21/29 for 219 with 0/0).

We beat Az minus Jake. We beat Philly with an injured McNappie playing. He goes 11/26 for 126 yds. (He has issues with a hand injury that effects his accuracy all through the early part of the year.

Philly is 2-3, at that point. He comes back to thump us 36-10, throwing for 240 with 3 TDs later in the year.).

We beat a happless Detroit team, in which Harrington goes 5/13 with 2 INTs before he gets his bell wrong trying to make a tackle on the 2nd INT. (Detroit commits 4 TOs, of which, 2 are returned for TDs.) We are 5-1 at that point. We play TB and they take us apart. At this point, we are averaging 135 yards per game rushing. TB plays an 8 man front and forces QC to beat them. We rush for 60 yards on 22 carries. QC goes 15/25 for 140 yards or 5.6 YPA. He throws 0 TDs, 2 INTs, takes 4 sacks and fumbles once. We lose 16-0 and the blue print has been drawn up. From here on out, it's pretty much all 8 man fronts.

Next game is Washington. We beat a happless skinz team team, Skinz try to use an 8 man but they don't have the players. TBone runs for 100, Carter throws 2 INTs and Ramsey out plays him in the loss. We are now 6-2 midway through the season. To this point, we have played two teams with healthy starting QBs. Ramsey with an idiot HC in Washington and a miracle win in NY against the Giants.

We play Buffalo in a game our defense wins for us. Bledsoe is the starter. He passes for 100 yards, just slightly worse then Carter who throws for 116. Hambone runs for 33 on 13. The difference in the game are two fumbles by Bledsoe. The total distance of both scores, 47 yards. 1 TD(24) and 1 FG(23).

We lose to NE. Hambone runs for 41, Carter goes 21/36 for 210 yards but also throws 3 costly INTs. We get shut out 12-0. Defense plays great but Brady makes the throws when the game is on the line, QC does not.

We beat Carolina in a very nice effort. Carter playes well going 29/44 for 254, 2TDs, 1 INT. We hold Delhomme down for 9/24 for 175 with 1TD and 1INT. Hold Davis to 59 yards on 26 carries. We get 60 yards on 19 rushes.

We get hammered by Miami. Jay Fiedler goes 16/20 with 239, 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Carter goes 24/40 with 288, 2 TDs and 3 INTs and a fumble. Another 8 man front. We turn the ball over 5 times, of which,

Next up Philly! The rushing game is actually there in this contest. We rush for 150 yards on 33 carries. The problem? Carter throws for 93 yards on 15/24, 1 TD, 2 INTs. The Eagles D forced Carter to complete the long to intermediate pass and he was horrid at it. With the score tied 10 at half and the running game going, Carter threw a very costly INT on the 3rd play of the 3rd Quarter. It would eventually be his undoing. Carter's exact words.


"I made a mistake and it cost us." We lost that game 20 to 13.

We rebounded against a demoralized and completely pathetic Washington team. Spurriers idiocy had taken it's toll and Ramsey was gone for the season. We beat a overwhelmed Hasselbeck who went for 6/26, 56 yards, 0 TDs and 4 INTs. Carter went 10/24 for 108 yards. 1 TD, 0 INTs and a 3 yard bootleg for a TD.

Were in the home stretch. We are 9-5 with a chance to secure buy if we can win our last 2 games. Our opponents are NY, without Collins, and NO. Saints still have an outside chance at Playoffs but certain things have to happen. Whomever wants it more will get it. We dominate NY. QC has a good game going 17/25, 240, 1 TD and 0 INTs. He has no fumbles and, IMO, plays his best game of the season. By this time, the Giants are using Palmer at QB, the team has basically quit on Fassel and they are waiting to get a QB and a new HC.

One more win and we secure a playoff spot and a buy. We should be up for this. Saints are out and we have a chance to secure a buy. We come out flat. Saints use an 8 man, Carter goes 24/47 290 with 1 TD but 3 very costly INTs and three sacks taken. Brooks is a very efficiant 15/32, 243 with 1 TD and 0 INTs. We rush for 85 yards on 23 carries or 3.7per. We hold the Saints to 58 on 24. The defense really plays well in this game, holding the Saints to just 13 1st downs. We manage 21, we win the time of possesion but INTs just kill drives. 1st INT thrown on the goal line. Kills scoring drive. 2nd INT thrown at the 50 is returned to the Dallas 40 will eventually turn into a FG. 3rd INT comes with 1:33 seconds left in the 4th Quarter. Dallas is on the NO 27 1st and 5. This INT effectively kills any chance of winning this game. We lose 13-7.

Next up Carolina! This is a win or go home game. Delhomme has less then 20 starts and has already lost to us. This is everything for Carter. With a win, he can shut a lot of people up. Carter goes 21/36 for 154 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Carter takes 3 sacks and never gets over the hump. Our running game is shut down while Carolina uses there's very effectively. Carolina takes a page from Tampa Bay, Miami and Philly. They use 8 man fronts and force Carter to make the money throws in the deep and intermediate zones. Carter is dominated by there defense and there offense runs rough shot over our defense. With 5:10 seconds left and a 2nd and one on our own 43, Carter throws an INT to Julius Peppers, who returns it to the Dallas 11 yard line. All hope is gone but there was really never any hope in this game. We lose 29-10, Carter has played his last game for the Cowboys, the Panthers go on to lose in the Super Bowl and Delhomme effectively waives good by to Carter as he goes on past.

This is the 2003 season. Certainly Carter was not completely to blame for it but I can not look back at it and say he was as good as you make him out to be. At best, he was average. Nothing more IMO.
 

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Alexander said:
His three rings to Bledsoe's zero have more to do with it.

First I think Brady is borderline amazing and deserves that. But he has an amazing D that creates turnovers, field positition and a PK that never misses in the clutch. One very lucky dude.....

Bledsoe has a ring and won 2 AFC Championship games. He wins a Lombardi he's there too.
 

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First I think Brady is borderline amazing and deserves that. But he has an amazing D that creates turnovers, field positition and a PK that never misses in the clutch. One very lucky dude.....

Bledsoe has a ring and won 2 AFC Championship games. He wins a Lombardi he's there too.

Bledsoe's ring is about as significant as the one Bernie Kosar earned.

He helped, but was far from being a significant reason.
 

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Alexander said:
Bledsoe's ring is about as significant as the one Bernie Kosar earned.

He helped, but was far from being a significant reason.

He won the Pitt AFC Championship game - on the road

He also was a PRO and schooled Brady all season long after his near death injury. In fact the team I believe was dealing on the heels of the QB coach dying that year in preseason. Bledsoe earned that ring my friend. Brady said as much post facto.
 

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He won the Pitt AFC Championship game - on the road

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as I recall Kordell Stewart had alot more to do with New England being in the super bowl than Drew Bledsoe did

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Ps. You said those first 8 teams were limited offensively more than ourselves.
If Quincy was no good, then why. We werent better because of Hambrick.
Terry Glenn wasn't thought of very highly early in 2003. They said if he couldn't do it with Brett Favre, then he certainly could do anything with Carter as his qb and yet Terry Glenn had his best year in years with QC. Galloway was considered an under-achiever, Bryant was just a second year guy and Witten a rookie and O-line, a bunch of under-achievers cause they couldn't protect Hutch down the stretch the year before. The Cowboys had the number one passing offense in the first six games, not the number one rushing offense and a 5-2 record. Every quarterback we played against was considered better than Carter going into the 2003 season, yet Carter outplayed them all and still finished 12th in passing yardage, despite a brutal schedule with little help at the end of the season.

This clearly shows your irrational bias against Carter when you state that the team won in spite of him instead of because of him. He finished statistically higher than any offensive player on the team and he finished statistically higher than any qb he faced whose name was not Brady or McNabb and maybe Brooks. In my book, that's some pretty good work for a first year starter. One last thing, Vinnie couldn't win enough games in 2003 to help his team get to the playoffs when Pennington got hurt, so that's one more thing Carter has on Vinnie.

why do they let you post here anymore? honestly you are the most annoying person in this forum...you constantly make garbage up and when presented with actual facts that debunk your delusional b/s you ignore it and post more totally made up cow dung

Carter is what he is...a below average QB who's always going to be best suited as a backup or #3 guy, that is if he can stay off the drugs long enough to convince anyone to give his mediocre arse another chance...the CFL is calling his name

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dbair1967 said:
as I recall Kordell Stewart had alot more to do with New England being in the super bowl than Drew Bledsoe did

David

Did you watch the game :eek: ? Drew took over and rallied team. Kordell self destructed late in game, behind and facing a great defense....

You can't comprehend intangibles at Vet QB value- Bill truly gets that - move on my friend!




Drew story

Bledsoe's return sparks Patriots past Steelers 24-17
Posted: Sunday January 27, 2002 4:44 PM
Updated: Monday January 28, 2002 4:17 AM

Drew Bledsoe has led the Patriots to the Super Bowl for a second time. AP
PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Drew Bledsoe never expected to be a backup at this stage of his career. The New England Patriots never expected he would be the one to take them back to the Super Bowl.

Bledsoe replaced an injured Tom Brady and led the Patriots to a 24-17 upset of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday.

It wasn't a perfect performance by the quarterback who lost his job to Brady after being injured Sept. 23 in the season's second game. And Bledsoe got plenty of help from Troy Brown, who returned a punt 55 yards for a touchdown and was the middle man on a 60-yard return of a blocked field goal that put New England ahead 21-3 early in the third quarter.

The Patriots held on and advanced to the Super Bowl against the St. Louis Rams, who beat Philadelphia 29-24 in the NFC Championship Game.

But Bledsoe, a three-time Pro Bowl selection who turns 30 next month, still did what few backups could do in a championship game -- enter with the experience and arm of one of the better starters in the NFL.

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SI's Don Banks
Insider: Brady, Bledsoe and Belichick might sound like a team of lawyers, but Sunday there were enough words of equivocation offered up by those three to make me believe it might take congressional hearings to determine who's going to be New England's starter next week.
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Looking ahead: Don't look now, but the Patriots are back in New Orleans for a Super Bowl. And you know what that means: A blowout's on the way. Here are three observations leading up to Feb. 3.



"I've done this for a long time and at times at a pretty high level," said Bledsoe, who signed a 10-year, $103 million deal in the offseason. "I felt confident coming out. I've been working hard and preparing for this exact scenario."

The Steelers had their chances late in the game, but Kordell Stewart threw two interceptions in the final three minutes after Pittsburgh had cut into an 18-point deficit and trailed only by a touchdown.

Pittsburgh running back Jerome Bettis, who returned after being out eight weeks with a groin injury, carried nine times for just 8 yards, forcing Stewart to try to carry the team.

Bledsoe filled that role well for the Patriots late in the first half when Brady went down with an injured left leg. Four plays later he threw an 11-yard TD pass to David Patten to give the Patriots a 14-3 lead.

It was New England's only offensive touchdown of the game.

"You don't give a guy $100 million if you don't think he can be a championship quarterback," Pittsburgh safety Lee Flowers said. "He's a good quarterback. Nobody on our sideline was celebrating when Brady went out."

In addition to the TD pass, Bledsoe put the Patriots in position for Adam Vinatieri's fourth-quarter field goal and allowed his team to hold the ball enough to avoid constant pressure late in the game as the Steelers tried to complete their comeback.
"You need a couple of quarterbacks in this league," said head coach Bill Belichick, who added Brady could have gone back in the game. "Sooner or later you might need them and I'm glad we had them [Sunday]."

Brady said he felt fine but didn't know yet if he could play next week.

New England, which went from 5-11 in 2000 to 11-5 this regular season, heads to its third Super Bowl, in New Orleans next Sunday. The Patriots also went in 1986 and 1997, and both times they lost in New Orleans -- 46-10 to the Chicago Bears, and 35-21 to the Green Bay Packers with Bledsoe at quarterback.

Bledsoe got a lot of help Sunday from some old-timers, like linebackers Willie McGinest and Ted Johnson, who shut down Pittsburgh's running backs to just 19 total yards.

Stewart was 24-of-42 for 255 yards but also threw three interceptions -- the last two by Tebucky Jones and Lawyer Milloy -- that helped seal the Patriots' victory.

Stewart also threw three interceptions in the 1997 AFC championship loss to the Denver Broncos, who went on to win the Super Bowl.

Pittsburgh now has lost three of four AFC Championship Games under head coach Bill Cowher. All the losses were at home and all came with the Steelers favored. They were nine-point favorites in this game.

"The spread is the same as when Pittsburgh played 1-12 Detroit a few weeks ago," Belichick said when asked if he thought his team didn't get enough respect.

Bledsoe, expected to be traded after the season, was hospitalized with bleeding in his chest from a hit in the Week 2 game against the New York Jets.

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When he was ready to return, the Patriots were 5-5, but Belichick decided to stick with Brady, a second-year player who had never started a game before this season.

Brady led the Patriots to seven consecutive victories before Sunday in what has become a charmed season for a team few people gave any chance of even making the playoffs.

The streak is up to eight after a sloppy game that included five replay reviews and several long conferences by officials.

The first score came after one of those little mistakes that coaches always preach can lose a game.

On fourth-and-6 from his own 13, Pittsburgh's Josh Miller punted the ball to the Patriots' 23 -- 64 yards after it skittered behind Brown. But Pittsburgh's Troy Edwards was called for illegal procedure for stepping out of bounds and coming back in. So the Steelers had to rekick.

Cowher said the officials lined up the ball on the wrong hashmark when they respotted it after the penalty. He said that was one reason Brown punted the ball down the middle.

"In my mind that's inexcusable," Cowher said.

Brown took the ball back down the middle in the other direction for a 55-yard touchdown return that made it 7-0 with 3:42 left in the first period.

"I always said that special teams is crucial," said Brown, New England's leading receiver. "If you're good at what you do and your team needs you on special teams, that's what you go out and do."

Kris Brown's 30-yard field goal made it 7-3 early in the second quarter.

The game dragged until 2:42 was left in the half, and New England got the ball back at its own 30. On the third play, Brady passed to Troy Brown for a 28-yard gain to the Steelers' 40 as safety Lee Flowers hit the quarterback, knocking him out of the game.

Bledsoe entered and found Patten for 15 and 10 yards before a 4-yard scramble. Then he hit Patten in the end zone with 58 seconds left to make it 14-3 at intermission. Bledsoe finished 10-of-21 for 102 yards.

Early in the second half, the Steelers moved from their own 32 to the New England 16, where they lined up for a field goal. But Brandon Mitchell blocked it, Troy Brown picked up the ball at the 40 and ran 11 yards before lateraling to Antwan Harris, who took it 49 yards for the score that made it 21-3.

"Antwan started calling my name and I looked over my shoulder and gave it to him," Brown said.

Bettis' 1-yard run at the end of a 79-yard, eight-play drive cut it to 21-10 with 5:11 left in the third quarter.

Then Troy Edwards' 28-yard punt return set up a 32-yard drive capped by Amos Zereoue's 11-yard touchdown run to bring Pittsburgh within four points.

Vinatieri's 44-yard field goal made it 24-17 three minutes into the fourth quarter.

Now it's on to the Super Bowl.

Quarterback controversy anyone?

"I'm feeling good, and that's all Coach wants us to say about it," Brady said.

"Coach" will be heard from again.
 

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Did you watch the game :eek: ? Drew took over and rallied team. Kordell self destructed late in game, behind and facing a great defense....

You can't comprehend intangibles at Vet QB value- Bill truly gets that - move on my friend!




Drew story

Bledsoe's return sparks Patriots past Steelers 24-17
Posted: Sunday January 27, 2002 4:44 PM
Updated: Monday January 28, 2002 4:17 AM

Drew Bledsoe has led the Patriots to the Super Bowl for a second time. AP
PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Drew Bledsoe never expected to be a backup at this stage of his career. The New England Patriots never expected he would be the one to take them back to the Super Bowl.

Bledsoe replaced an injured Tom Brady and led the Patriots to a 24-17 upset of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday.

It wasn't a perfect performance by the quarterback who lost his job to Brady after being injured Sept. 23 in the season's second game. And Bledsoe got plenty of help from Troy Brown, who returned a punt 55 yards for a touchdown and was the middle man on a 60-yard return of a blocked field goal that put New England ahead 21-3 early in the third quarter.

The Patriots held on and advanced to the Super Bowl against the St. Louis Rams, who beat Philadelphia 29-24 in the NFC Championship Game.

But Bledsoe, a three-time Pro Bowl selection who turns 30 next month, still did what few backups could do in a championship game -- enter with the experience and arm of one of the better starters in the NFL.

Video
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Troy Brown talks about the plays that gave the Patriots an early lead.
Drew Bledsoe's return leaves the Patriots in a quandary.
Special teams were essential to the Patriots' cause.
Bledsoe discusses an emotional win.
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SI's Don Banks
Insider: Brady, Bledsoe and Belichick might sound like a team of lawyers, but Sunday there were enough words of equivocation offered up by those three to make me believe it might take congressional hearings to determine who's going to be New England's starter next week.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Looking ahead: Don't look now, but the Patriots are back in New Orleans for a Super Bowl. And you know what that means: A blowout's on the way. Here are three observations leading up to Feb. 3.



"I've done this for a long time and at times at a pretty high level," said Bledsoe, who signed a 10-year, $103 million deal in the offseason. "I felt confident coming out. I've been working hard and preparing for this exact scenario."

The Steelers had their chances late in the game, but Kordell Stewart threw two interceptions in the final three minutes after Pittsburgh had cut into an 18-point deficit and trailed only by a touchdown.

Pittsburgh running back Jerome Bettis, who returned after being out eight weeks with a groin injury, carried nine times for just 8 yards, forcing Stewart to try to carry the team.

Bledsoe filled that role well for the Patriots late in the first half when Brady went down with an injured left leg. Four plays later he threw an 11-yard TD pass to David Patten to give the Patriots a 14-3 lead.

It was New England's only offensive touchdown of the game.

"You don't give a guy $100 million if you don't think he can be a championship quarterback," Pittsburgh safety Lee Flowers said. "He's a good quarterback. Nobody on our sideline was celebrating when Brady went out."

In addition to the TD pass, Bledsoe put the Patriots in position for Adam Vinatieri's fourth-quarter field goal and allowed his team to hold the ball enough to avoid constant pressure late in the game as the Steelers tried to complete their comeback.

"You need a couple of quarterbacks in this league," said head coach Bill Belichick, who added Brady could have gone back in the game. "Sooner or later you might need them and I'm glad we had them [Sunday]."

Brady said he felt fine but didn't know yet if he could play next week.

New England, which went from 5-11 in 2000 to 11-5 this regular season, heads to its third Super Bowl, in New Orleans next Sunday. The Patriots also went in 1986 and 1997, and both times they lost in New Orleans -- 46-10 to the Chicago Bears, and 35-21 to the Green Bay Packers with Bledsoe at quarterback.

Bledsoe got a lot of help Sunday from some old-timers, like linebackers Willie McGinest and Ted Johnson, who shut down Pittsburgh's running backs to just 19 total yards.

Stewart was 24-of-42 for 255 yards but also threw three interceptions -- the last two by Tebucky Jones and Lawyer Milloy -- that helped seal the Patriots' victory.

Stewart also threw three interceptions in the 1997 AFC championship loss to the Denver Broncos, who went on to win the Super Bowl.

Pittsburgh now has lost three of four AFC Championship Games under head coach Bill Cowher. All the losses were at home and all came with the Steelers favored. They were nine-point favorites in this game.

"The spread is the same as when Pittsburgh played 1-12 Detroit a few weeks ago," Belichick said when asked if he thought his team didn't get enough respect.

Bledsoe, expected to be traded after the season, was hospitalized with bleeding in his chest from a hit in the Week 2 game against the New York Jets.

Click on the image for a larger view. CNNSI.com
When he was ready to return, the Patriots were 5-5, but Belichick decided to stick with Brady, a second-year player who had never started a game before this season.

Brady led the Patriots to seven consecutive victories before Sunday in what has become a charmed season for a team few people gave any chance of even making the playoffs.

The streak is up to eight after a sloppy game that included five replay reviews and several long conferences by officials.

The first score came after one of those little mistakes that coaches always preach can lose a game.

On fourth-and-6 from his own 13, Pittsburgh's Josh Miller punted the ball to the Patriots' 23 -- 64 yards after it skittered behind Brown. But Pittsburgh's Troy Edwards was called for illegal procedure for stepping out of bounds and coming back in. So the Steelers had to rekick.

Cowher said the officials lined up the ball on the wrong hashmark when they respotted it after the penalty. He said that was one reason Brown punted the ball down the middle.

"In my mind that's inexcusable," Cowher said.

Brown took the ball back down the middle in the other direction for a 55-yard touchdown return that made it 7-0 with 3:42 left in the first period.

"I always said that special teams is crucial," said Brown, New England's leading receiver. "If you're good at what you do and your team needs you on special teams, that's what you go out and do."

Kris Brown's 30-yard field goal made it 7-3 early in the second quarter.

The game dragged until 2:42 was left in the half, and New England got the ball back at its own 30. On the third play, Brady passed to Troy Brown for a 28-yard gain to the Steelers' 40 as safety Lee Flowers hit the quarterback, knocking him out of the game.

Bledsoe entered and found Patten for 15 and 10 yards before a 4-yard scramble. Then he hit Patten in the end zone with 58 seconds left to make it 14-3 at intermission. Bledsoe finished 10-of-21 for 102 yards.

Early in the second half, the Steelers moved from their own 32 to the New England 16, where they lined up for a field goal. But Brandon Mitchell blocked it, Troy Brown picked up the ball at the 40 and ran 11 yards before lateraling to Antwan Harris, who took it 49 yards for the score that made it 21-3.

"Antwan started calling my name and I looked over my shoulder and gave it to him," Brown said.

Bettis' 1-yard run at the end of a 79-yard, eight-play drive cut it to 21-10 with 5:11 left in the third quarter.

Then Troy Edwards' 28-yard punt return set up a 32-yard drive capped by Amos Zereoue's 11-yard touchdown run to bring Pittsburgh within four points.

Vinatieri's 44-yard field goal made it 24-17 three minutes into the fourth quarter.

Now it's on to the Super Bowl.

Quarterback controversy anyone?

"I'm feeling good, and that's all Coach wants us to say about it," Brady said.

"Coach" will be heard from again.

dont get me wrong, I want Bledsoe to do well here...but your article basically supports what I said...Bledsoe had very little to do with the Pats winning that game...I dont think he even completed half his passes and may not have even broke 100 yds...

I hope he fares well here because we can be a better team with him playing well, but I havent seen much from him the past few seasons to get me excited

David
 

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dbair1967 said:
why do they let you post here anymore? honestly you are the most annoying person in this forum...you constantly make garbage up and when presented with actual facts that debunk your delusional b/s you ignore it and post more totally made up cow dung

Carter is what he is...a below average QB who's always going to be best suited as a backup or #3 guy, that is if he can stay off the drugs long enough to convince anyone to give his mediocre arse another chance...the CFL is calling his name

David

Thank you for the compliments. The more I rile you up, the better. Oh and here is my compliment to you. You're a complete moron and a disgrace as a Cowboy fan, you make the Eagles fans look sane.
 

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Thank you for the compliments. The more I rile you up, the better. Oh and here is my compliment to you. You're a complete moron and a disgrace as a Cowboy fan, you make the Eagles fans look sane.

:nono2: :shootfoot
 

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Did you watch the game :eek: ? Drew took over and rallied team. Kordell self destructed late in game, behind and facing a great defense....

You can't comprehend intangibles at Vet QB value- Bill truly gets that - move on my friend!




Drew story

Bledsoe's return sparks Patriots past Steelers 24-17
Posted: Sunday January 27, 2002 4:44 PM
Updated: Monday January 28, 2002 4:17 AM

Drew Bledsoe has led the Patriots to the Super Bowl for a second time. AP
PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Drew Bledsoe never expected to be a backup at this stage of his career. The New England Patriots never expected he would be the one to take them back to the Super Bowl.

Bledsoe replaced an injured Tom Brady and led the Patriots to a 24-17 upset of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday.

It wasn't a perfect performance by the quarterback who lost his job to Brady after being injured Sept. 23 in the season's second game. And Bledsoe got plenty of help from Troy Brown, who returned a punt 55 yards for a touchdown and was the middle man on a 60-yard return of a blocked field goal that put New England ahead 21-3 early in the third quarter.

The Patriots held on and advanced to the Super Bowl against the St. Louis Rams, who beat Philadelphia 29-24 in the NFC Championship Game.

But Bledsoe, a three-time Pro Bowl selection who turns 30 next month, still did what few backups could do in a championship game -- enter with the experience and arm of one of the better starters in the NFL.

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Insider: Brady, Bledsoe and Belichick might sound like a team of lawyers, but Sunday there were enough words of equivocation offered up by those three to make me believe it might take congressional hearings to determine who's going to be New England's starter next week.
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Looking ahead: Don't look now, but the Patriots are back in New Orleans for a Super Bowl. And you know what that means: A blowout's on the way. Here are three observations leading up to Feb. 3.



"I've done this for a long time and at times at a pretty high level," said Bledsoe, who signed a 10-year, $103 million deal in the offseason. "I felt confident coming out. I've been working hard and preparing for this exact scenario."

The Steelers had their chances late in the game, but Kordell Stewart threw two interceptions in the final three minutes after Pittsburgh had cut into an 18-point deficit and trailed only by a touchdown.

Pittsburgh running back Jerome Bettis, who returned after being out eight weeks with a groin injury, carried nine times for just 8 yards, forcing Stewart to try to carry the team.

Bledsoe filled that role well for the Patriots late in the first half when Brady went down with an injured left leg. Four plays later he threw an 11-yard TD pass to David Patten to give the Patriots a 14-3 lead.

It was New England's only offensive touchdown of the game.

"You don't give a guy $100 million if you don't think he can be a championship quarterback," Pittsburgh safety Lee Flowers said. "He's a good quarterback. Nobody on our sideline was celebrating when Brady went out."

In addition to the TD pass, Bledsoe put the Patriots in position for Adam Vinatieri's fourth-quarter field goal and allowed his team to hold the ball enough to avoid constant pressure late in the game as the Steelers tried to complete their comeback.
"You need a couple of quarterbacks in this league," said head coach Bill Belichick, who added Brady could have gone back in the game. "Sooner or later you might need them and I'm glad we had them [Sunday]."

Brady said he felt fine but didn't know yet if he could play next week.

New England, which went from 5-11 in 2000 to 11-5 this regular season, heads to its third Super Bowl, in New Orleans next Sunday. The Patriots also went in 1986 and 1997, and both times they lost in New Orleans -- 46-10 to the Chicago Bears, and 35-21 to the Green Bay Packers with Bledsoe at quarterback.

Bledsoe got a lot of help Sunday from some old-timers, like linebackers Willie McGinest and Ted Johnson, who shut down Pittsburgh's running backs to just 19 total yards.

Stewart was 24-of-42 for 255 yards but also threw three interceptions -- the last two by Tebucky Jones and Lawyer Milloy -- that helped seal the Patriots' victory.

Stewart also threw three interceptions in the 1997 AFC championship loss to the Denver Broncos, who went on to win the Super Bowl.

Pittsburgh now has lost three of four AFC Championship Games under head coach Bill Cowher. All the losses were at home and all came with the Steelers favored. They were nine-point favorites in this game.

"The spread is the same as when Pittsburgh played 1-12 Detroit a few weeks ago," Belichick said when asked if he thought his team didn't get enough respect.

Bledsoe, expected to be traded after the season, was hospitalized with bleeding in his chest from a hit in the Week 2 game against the New York Jets.

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When he was ready to return, the Patriots were 5-5, but Belichick decided to stick with Brady, a second-year player who had never started a game before this season.

Brady led the Patriots to seven consecutive victories before Sunday in what has become a charmed season for a team few people gave any chance of even making the playoffs.

The streak is up to eight after a sloppy game that included five replay reviews and several long conferences by officials.

The first score came after one of those little mistakes that coaches always preach can lose a game.

On fourth-and-6 from his own 13, Pittsburgh's Josh Miller punted the ball to the Patriots' 23 -- 64 yards after it skittered behind Brown. But Pittsburgh's Troy Edwards was called for illegal procedure for stepping out of bounds and coming back in. So the Steelers had to rekick.

Cowher said the officials lined up the ball on the wrong hashmark when they respotted it after the penalty. He said that was one reason Brown punted the ball down the middle.

"In my mind that's inexcusable," Cowher said.

Brown took the ball back down the middle in the other direction for a 55-yard touchdown return that made it 7-0 with 3:42 left in the first period.

"I always said that special teams is crucial," said Brown, New England's leading receiver. "If you're good at what you do and your team needs you on special teams, that's what you go out and do."

Kris Brown's 30-yard field goal made it 7-3 early in the second quarter.

The game dragged until 2:42 was left in the half, and New England got the ball back at its own 30. On the third play, Brady passed to Troy Brown for a 28-yard gain to the Steelers' 40 as safety Lee Flowers hit the quarterback, knocking him out of the game.

Bledsoe entered and found Patten for 15 and 10 yards before a 4-yard scramble. Then he hit Patten in the end zone with 58 seconds left to make it 14-3 at intermission. Bledsoe finished 10-of-21 for 102 yards.

Early in the second half, the Steelers moved from their own 32 to the New England 16, where they lined up for a field goal. But Brandon Mitchell blocked it, Troy Brown picked up the ball at the 40 and ran 11 yards before lateraling to Antwan Harris, who took it 49 yards for the score that made it 21-3.

"Antwan started calling my name and I looked over my shoulder and gave it to him," Brown said.

Bettis' 1-yard run at the end of a 79-yard, eight-play drive cut it to 21-10 with 5:11 left in the third quarter.

Then Troy Edwards' 28-yard punt return set up a 32-yard drive capped by Amos Zereoue's 11-yard touchdown run to bring Pittsburgh within four points.

Vinatieri's 44-yard field goal made it 24-17 three minutes into the fourth quarter.

Now it's on to the Super Bowl.

Quarterback controversy anyone?

"I'm feeling good, and that's all Coach wants us to say about it," Brady said.

"Coach" will be heard from again.

I don't think either of you really watched the game, that is, how the game was won. Kordell Stewart had a injured starting RB,Bettis, whom Cowher should never have played, yet Stewart completed more passes for more yardage than Bledsoe and Brady combined. The Patriot offense scored just 10 points to Pittsburgh's 17. Troy Brown's punt return for a td and the Patriots blocked field goal for a td gave the Pats 14 points off special teams which was the true difference in that game, 24-17. Stewart was guilty of only not being able to bring his team back against two of the finest defensive minds in the NFL, something that even Peyton Manning hasn't done yet. It was Pittsburgh's special teams coach that was fired after that game because his unit gave the game away. I'm not a Stewart fan, but he gets way too much criticism for a qb with a positive won/loss record and on that blocked field goal, he had led his team down the field with no running game and a chance to put the Steelers up 20-10 late in the game. The game definitely turned on Pittsburgh's poor special teams play, the Pats just got lucky.
 

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That's right. Anyone that really watched that AFC championship _knows_ the Patriots special teams won the game. Not Bledsoe.

"Bledsoe's return sparks Patriots past Steelers 24-17" -- what a blowjob title.
 

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Doesn't matter how you break down the defense. The facts are that we ran for more yards, while QC was here. We threw for less while QC was here. We allowed significantly fewer points scored, passing yards and rushing yards while QC was here. We scored more, threw for more and ran for less while Vinnie was here. The defense certainly gave up more. Vinnie's QB numbers were better. All this from an 18 year vet who should have been retired, in his first year with the Cowboys. Any way you slice it, Carter was not the deference.

We lost to Atlanta even without Vick.

We got extremely lucky with the Giants.

We beat a Jets team minus Pennington, holding Martin to 64 yards. Carter didn't do that. (BTW, Carter's numbers in that game 11/23 165 1td 1int. Tbone runs for 127 and the team rushes for 200. Testeverde is 21/29 for 219 with 0/0).

We beat Az minus Jake. We beat Philly with an injured McNappie playing. He goes 11/26 for 126 yds. (He has issues with a hand injury that effects his accuracy all through the early part of the year.

Philly is 2-3, at that point. He comes back to thump us 36-10, throwing for 240 with 3 TDs later in the year.).

We beat a happless Detroit team, in which Harrington goes 5/13 with 2 INTs before he gets his bell wrong trying to make a tackle on the 2nd INT. (Detroit commits 4 TOs, of which, 2 are returned for TDs.) We are 5-1 at that point. We play TB and they take us apart. At this point, we are averaging 135 yards per game rushing. TB plays an 8 man front and forces QC to beat them. We rush for 60 yards on 22 carries. QC goes 15/25 for 140 yards or 5.6 YPA. He throws 0 TDs, 2 INTs, takes 4 sacks and fumbles once. We lose 16-0 and the blue print has been drawn up. From here on out, it's pretty much all 8 man fronts.

Next game is Washington. We beat a happless skinz team team, Skinz try to use an 8 man but they don't have the players. TBone runs for 100, Carter throws 2 INTs and Ramsey out plays him in the loss. We are now 6-2 midway through the season. To this point, we have played two teams with healthy starting QBs. Ramsey with an idiot HC in Washington and a miracle win in NY against the Giants.

We play Buffalo in a game our defense wins for us. Bledsoe is the starter. He passes for 100 yards, just slightly worse then Carter who throws for 116. Hambone runs for 33 on 13. The difference in the game are two fumbles by Bledsoe. The total distance of both scores, 47 yards. 1 TD(24) and 1 FG(23).

We lose to NE. Hambone runs for 41, Carter goes 21/36 for 210 yards but also throws 3 costly INTs. We get shut out 12-0. Defense plays great but Brady makes the throws when the game is on the line, QC does not.

We beat Carolina in a very nice effort. Carter playes well going 29/44 for 254, 2TDs, 1 INT. We hold Delhomme down for 9/24 for 175 with 1TD and 1INT. Hold Davis to 59 yards on 26 carries. We get 60 yards on 19 rushes.

We get hammered by Miami. Jay Fiedler goes 16/20 with 239, 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Carter goes 24/40 with 288, 2 TDs and 3 INTs and a fumble. Another 8 man front. We turn the ball over 5 times, of which,

Next up Philly! The rushing game is actually there in this contest. We rush for 150 yards on 33 carries. The problem? Carter throws for 93 yards on 15/24, 1 TD, 2 INTs. The Eagles D forced Carter to complete the long to intermediate pass and he was horrid at it. With the score tied 10 at half and the running game going, Carter threw a very costly INT on the 3rd play of the 3rd Quarter. It would eventually be his undoing. Carter's exact words.


"I made a mistake and it cost us." We lost that game 20 to 13.

We rebounded against a demoralized and completely pathetic Washington team. Spurriers idiocy had taken it's toll and Ramsey was gone for the season. We beat a overwhelmed Hasselbeck who went for 6/26, 56 yards, 0 TDs and 4 INTs. Carter went 10/24 for 108 yards. 1 TD, 0 INTs and a 3 yard bootleg for a TD.

Were in the home stretch. We are 9-5 with a chance to secure buy if we can win our last 2 games. Our opponents are NY, without Collins, and NO. Saints still have an outside chance at Playoffs but certain things have to happen. Whomever wants it more will get it. We dominate NY. QC has a good game going 17/25, 240, 1 TD and 0 INTs. He has no fumbles and, IMO, plays his best game of the season. By this time, the Giants are using Palmer at QB, the team has basically quit on Fassel and they are waiting to get a QB and a new HC.

One more win and we secure a playoff spot and a buy. We should be up for this. Saints are out and we have a chance to secure a buy. We come out flat. Saints use an 8 man, Carter goes 24/47 290 with 1 TD but 3 very costly INTs and three sacks taken. Brooks is a very efficiant 15/32, 243 with 1 TD and 0 INTs. We rush for 85 yards on 23 carries or 3.7per. We hold the Saints to 58 on 24. The defense really plays well in this game, holding the Saints to just 13 1st downs. We manage 21, we win the time of possesion but INTs just kill drives. 1st INT thrown on the goal line. Kills scoring drive. 2nd INT thrown at the 50 is returned to the Dallas 40 will eventually turn into a FG. 3rd INT comes with 1:33 seconds left in the 4th Quarter. Dallas is on the NO 27 1st and 5. This INT effectively kills any chance of winning this game. We lose 13-7.

Next up Carolina! This is a win or go home game. Delhomme has less then 20 starts and has already lost to us. This is everything for Carter. With a win, he can shut a lot of people up. Carter goes 21/36 for 154 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Carter takes 3 sacks and never gets over the hump. Our running game is shut down while Carolina uses there's very effectively. Carolina takes a page from Tampa Bay, Miami and Philly. They use 8 man fronts and force Carter to make the money throws in the deep and intermediate zones. Carter is dominated by there defense and there offense runs rough shot over our defense. With 5:10 seconds left and a 2nd and one on our own 43, Carter throws an INT to Julius Peppers, who returns it to the Dallas 11 yard line. All hope is gone but there was really never any hope in this game. We lose 29-10, Carter has played his last game for the Cowboys, the Panthers go on to lose in the Super Bowl and Delhomme effectively waives good by to Carter as he goes on past.

This is the 2003 season. Certainly Carter was not completely to blame for it but I can not look back at it and say he was as good as you make him out to be. At best, he was average. Nothing more IMO.

How could you have spent so much time on this and yet still get it wrong?
When the Cowboys won in 2003, we got lucky, when we lost, it was all Carters fault, that sounds like selective memory to me. Your ending statement that Carter was not completely the blame for the 2003 season, we had a good season and Carter had his best season, duh. I've never said that Carter was a great QB, but I think he could be given a decent supporting cast. You say he was average at best, you call 12th in the Nfl in passing yardage average, which means that 20 qbs passed for less yardage than Carter, that's about 2/3, which put Carter in the top 3rd, how is that average. Carter only threw for 17 tds, but that matches Aikman's 3rd highest total and in his first full year as a starter with a average supporting cast, yet the Cowboys receivers finished in the top ten of the dropped pass category. Antonio dropped a 50 yard td bomb in the Detroit game,Jamar Martin dropped a td pass in the second Commander game and there were others.

In the Saints game, Carter's first int was attributed to Bryant running the wrong route on a timing pattern, the last one Terry Glenn's fault, because he slipped down due to wearing the wrong shoes. How can you call yourself fair, when you blame Carter for his receivers screw ups?

In the Patriots game, Galloway was injured and didn't play, so Carter only had Bryant who dropped two passes on 3rd and long in Patriot territory and Witten who dropped a pass deep in Patriot territory and batted it to Ty Law. Parcells said of Witten's drop that turned into an int,"If you can get both hands on the ball, you should catch it", so he clearly didn't blame that one on Carter. And the last int was thrown into the endzone with 12 seconds on the clock, we'd lost the game anyway.

In the Dolphins game, Carter had a qb rating of 80+ in the first game, yet the Cowboys trailed 24-14. You conveniently forget that the number #1 defense didn't show up that day and neither did Hambrick as usual. Carter's fumble was the direct result of his own offensive lineman being pushed back into him.Carter's first int came with 2 minutes left in third quarter when we were way behind.

In the second Eagles game, the weather was horrible in Philly and Hambrick had a sure touchdown run until he saw Bobby Taylor and decided to run out bounds instead. Even the Eagles fans laughed at Hambrick on that one, afraid of Bobby Taylor, who he outweighed by 30 pounds. We were 10-10 at half-time against the Eagles, how often has that happened in Philly. Carter's ints in the second half were the result of Terry Glenn not coming back to the ball, he was clearly open, but decided to stand there and wait for the ball, while Sheldon Brown was closing in. Michael Irvin always protected Aikman by coming back to the ball, every good receiver does this automatically and Glenn did the same thing last year in the Cleveland game. And Cowboys number 1 defense completely collapsed in the second half of that game. They allowed Westbrook and Buckhalter to catch short passes and dance thru their secondary at will.

But you blame everything that goes wrong on Carter, while other qbs had guys to make plays for them. And when we won, we got lucky,yeah, Carter throwing for 321 yards against the Giants or 190 yards against Detroit with 3 tds in the first half. But wait, you said that they were a bad team, so when we beat a bad team badly, we got lucky,huh. You continually show a selective memory with regards to Carter. You try to make it seem that he was no good at all,but you said average didn't you. Well, being average in your 3rd year in the NFl is a sign a progress,especially if you have only 31 starts, which is not even 2 years worth. I didn't see Harrington or Carr or Ramsey or Brees for that matter getting their teams in the playoffs in their 3rd years and they were all drafted much higher than Carter.

So why not just man up and admit that your dislike of Carter has nothing to do with his ability, but with the fact that he isn't a pocket qb. And drugs, lots of successful NFL players have substance abuse problems and some coaches too, so I'm not buying the drug thing.
 

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kartr said:
How could you have spent so much time on this and yet still get it wrong?

How was it wrong? Because he did not make up things as you often do?
It was pretty accurate.

Antonio dropped a 50 yard td bomb in the Detroit game,Jamar Martin dropped a td pass in the second Commander game and there were others.

We won both games. And this is relevant how?

In the Saints game, Carter's first int was attributed to Bryant running the wrong route on a timing pattern, the last one Terry Glenn's fault, because he slipped down due to wearing the wrong shoes. How can you call yourself fair, when you blame Carter for his receivers screw ups?

You whine that when we lose the excuse was that Carter played poorly, yet you excuse him at every turn and absolve him of any responsibility.

Carter's fumble was the direct result of his own offensive lineman being pushed back into him.

Excuse.

Carter's first int came with 2 minutes left in third quarter when we were way behind.

Excuse.

In the second Eagles game, the weather was horrible in Philly

So why didn't McNabb's play suffer?

We were 10-10 at half-time against the Eagles, how often has that happened in Philly. Carter's ints in the second half were the result of Terry Glenn not coming back to the ball, he was clearly open, but decided to stand there and wait for the ball, while Sheldon Brown was closing in. Michael Irvin always protected Aikman by coming back to the ball, every good receiver does this automatically and Glenn did the same thing last year in the Cleveland game. And Cowboys number 1 defense completely collapsed in the second half of that game. They allowed Westbrook and Buckhalter to catch short passes and dance thru their secondary at will.

Excuse.

So tell me, did Quincy ever do ANYTHING wrong?

Or was it always a receiver not fighting for the ball, dropping a "perfect pass" or was it some sort of cosmic negative karma that kept the turnovers and poor decisions coming?

But you blame everything that goes wrong on Carter, while other qbs had guys to make plays for them.

Where do you get that? Teams lose games. But QBs making errors cause teams to lose games because they touch the ball on every down, every snap. A miscue is a miscue, no matter how much you try to excuse it.

You continually show a selective memory with regards to Carter.

Listen to yourself. You do the same thing.

why not just man up and admit that your dislike of Carter has nothing to do with his ability, but with the fact that he isn't a pocket qb.

L O L

This is a great act. It really is. If it isn't then you really need therapy.

And drugs, lots of successful NFL players have substance abuse problems and some coaches too, so I'm not buying the drug thing.

Which coaches do? Or did you make up that pile of manure as well?
 

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kartr said:
So why not just man up and admit that your dislike of Carter has nothing to do with his ability, but with the fact that he isn't a pocket qb.

Carter had only 68 rushing attempts in 2003. By comparison, Drew Brees had 53 rushing attempts last year and Ben Roethlisberger had 56. And I don't recall anyone saying those guys aren't "pocket qbs."

Most of us didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I think we all know what you're trying to imply with the term, "pocket qb".
 

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Most of us didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I think we all know what you're trying to imply with the term, "pocket qb".

Exactly.

And that is precisely where this passion comes from and is always lurking under the surface. It has always been there, yet everyone tip toes around it.

I would love it if someone would just say it so it all gets out into the open. And then I could rip someone's head off for such an outlandish implication.
 

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blindzebra said:
Total fabrication, now he admits to trolling and throws an insult...tic, tic, tic

Yep. Talk about undermining one's cause.


Alexander said:
Exactly.

And that is precisely where this passion comes from and is always lurking under the surface. It has always been there, yet everyone tip toes around it.

I would love it if someone would just say it so it all gets out into the open. And then I could rip someone's head off for such an outlandish implication.

He's too afraid. He has come out a couple of times and said it, but then openly complained about his posts being censored.

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