What if both QB's are gone?

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If the two QB's really are potentially franchise players, there is the possibility that 1) Cleveland drafts one of them, and 2) the 49ers trade up to get the other. Should this happen, what would you like us to do?

My initial thoughts

1) take BPA (Tunsil as your RT? or more likely Bosa)
2) trade down even if it's a buyers market and look for a guy like Wentz, or Elliott
3) Take another player (Ramsey, Treadwell, Hargreaves, Jack, Stanley)
 
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DoctorChicken said:
Trade down and get Wentz + extra picks.
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I agree. And this is where Jerry needs to make this scenario happen. And in reality, if he's so good of a negotiator as he claims to be, if they really think Goff and/or Lynch are legitimate franchise QB's...we should be able to get them by moving up a spot or two and not giving up the farm in the process. And if he's really good at his job as he claims to be, he should have some feelers out there to determine who Cleveland and San Diego are going to pick.

We'll see.






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ckalch said:
If the two QB's really are potentially franchise players, there is the possibility that 1) Cleveland drafts one of them, and 2) the 49ers trade up to get the other. Should this happen, what would you like us to do?

My initial thoughts

1) take BPA (Tunsil as your RT? or more likely Bosa)
2) trade down even if it's a buyers market and look for a guy like Wentz, or Elliott
3) Take another player (Ramsey, Treadwell, Hargreaves, Jack, Stanley)
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If somehow both of the QB's are gone by 4 I will be celebrating. Then we can actually get a player that can help the team.
 
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Shaq Lawson gonna move up strong on draft boards. Could move on from Hardy that way.
 

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RS12 said:
Shaq Lawson gonna move up strong on draft boards. Could move on from Hardy that way.
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True but I don't think Lawson is a Hardy clone. Just my opinion, which some will disagree with, Lawson seems to be more a SDE than a pure pass rushing DE.
 
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Sydla said:
True but I don't think Lawson is a Hardy clone. Just my opinion, which some will disagree with, Lawson seems to be more a SDE than a pure pass rushing DE.
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Abused fellow high draftee Ronnie Stanley. Can rush the passer.
 
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Joe Rod said:
Do you feel like a Mary Ann guy in a room full of Gingers?
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Is there a breakdown of him anywhere? The thing that got me was the poster above saying he'd literally take any trade back scenario that involves Wentz. That's saying a lot. Why is he ranked so low if he's so good?
 

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RS12 said:
Abused fellow high draftee Ronnie Stanley. Can rush the passer.
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He's not your Von Miller, Hardy, Clowney type athlete. That's not to say he won't be a great pro. But IMO, if you want the speed, athletic edge rusher to replace Hardy........... I don't think it's Lawson.

I wouldn't take him with a Top 10 pick if I were the Cowboys.
 

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Joe Rod said:
I would like that scenario, but who would a team trade up for and how far back would you go to pick Wentz?
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Tunsil is the swing player. If the Titans move out of their spot, Lynch or Goff goes there. Cleveland will take whichever quarterback is left.
That leaves San Diego, who may want Tunsil or may want Treadwell. I don't see a team jumping up to get Treadwell. But I do see a team jumping up to get Tunsil. The Titans may want to jump back up to assure themselves of Tunsil. Or another team could move up to take a guy who is considered a franchise LT.
As to how far down we'll have to go to assure ourselves of Wentz? I say now lower than 10, sweating it out that San Francisco doesn't take him.

I say pick 10 because Big Ben went 11 to the Steelers in the 2004 draft, and he came out of a "small" school, Miami of Ohio University. If he had gone to a major school, he could have been the No. 1 overall pick. But his small school status hurt him - but not that much.
If Wentz is viewed the same way, he likely won't be selected in the top 5, but he won't fall to the end of the first.

Then you have to consider the teams needing quarterbacks, who could trade with other teams looking to grab Wentz.

The Jaguars (#5) don't need a quarterback. But they need corner help and would love Hargreaves, who is basically in their backyard. Other teams that don't need a quarterback are the Ravens (#6), Dolphins (#8), Buccaneers (#9) or Giants (#10).

Then it starts getting dicey because the Bears (#11) could take a quarterback as could the Saints (#12) and the Eagles (#13).

So if you're making a play for Wentz, #10 is about as low as you can go. And even then, it's very hard to predict because who is going to give you that much to move down? There's really not a franchise player in this draft, someone teams drool over as a MUST-HAVE player (at least I don't think so). Is someone going to let you move down (particularly the Giants) and give up draft choices to get a very good player?

I don't know. But that's my best guess at this time. :)
 
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Sydla said:
He's not your Von Miller, Hardy, Clowney type athlete. That's not to say he won't be a great pro. But IMO, if you want the speed, athletic edge rusher to replace Hardy........... I don't think it's Lawson.

And he had a good first half against Stanley, then got beat up a bit in the 2nd half when ND started moving the ball up and down the field on Clemson only to shoot itself in the foot with four 2nd half turnovers.
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How does Hardy fit into that group athletically??? I keep seeing people knock Bosa and Lawson because they aren't the quick twitch speed rushing type, but then mention resigning Hardy in the same sentence. Hardy IS NOT a speed rusher either people. He's a 280+lb guy who probably runs close to a 5 flat 40 at this point (4.87 out of college). There is more than 1 way to get to the QB and Hardy, Chandler Jones, Michael Bennett, and plenty of others are a prime example of that. I'm not saying either Bosa or Lawson are ever going to put up prolific sack #'s like Hardy did (once), but people need to stop acting like any DE that isn't 250 ponds and runs a 4.4 40 can't be great.

Anyway....Bosa is my #2 behind Goff so if he's still on the board it's a no brainer. If Goff, Bosa, and Lynch are all off of the board (seems fairly unlikely) we should have a small bidding war over the #1 LT in the draft so a trade back would be best case scenario. They are more or less the only 4 options I see, I absolutely don't want to draft anyone else at pick #4 as of right now.
 
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egn22 said:
Is there a breakdown of him anywhere? The thing that got me was the poster above saying he'd literally take any trade back scenario that involves Wentz. That's saying a lot. Why is he ranked so low if he's so good?
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I don't know if the breakdown's will do a whole lot right now since it seems everyone is being cautious in their analysis until the Senior Bowl and Combine (due to his injury). If he does so-so then he will probably slip to round two, but if he aces everything then he will probably shoot up the draft boards. The offense they ran had some Pro-Style concepts so he was not full-time spread. He is a great athlete with an NFL frame (6'5" and 230ish from the last time I looked him up). He had a few 100 yard games running in 2014. Showed good improv when plays broke down. He was also allowed to make changes at the LOC based on defensive alignments and from what I read he can read the field well.

Cons would be that he operated with a lower level of competition and they threw a boatload of screen/short passes. His injury should be fully healed since he is currently practicing for next weekend's game against Jacksonville State, but you neveer know until you see him live and in person.

I can see where the Ben Roethlisberger comparisons fit. He looks faster than Ben when he came out with maybe a touch less arm talent. Extends plays with his feet and pocket movement like Ben does.
 
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egn22 said:
Serious question, what is up with all of the Wentz love around here? What did I miss?
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He can make any throw. He has a great release. Great pocket presence and makes good decisions under duress. Extremely intelligent and has an insane work ethic. Changes plays at the line and can read a defense.

I loved watching his tape. The ball just flies out of his hand so effortlessly. Now, he does have some issues. I saw a few instances where he locked onto a read, or pre determined a pass. I think a lot of that had to do with ND State's offense, because they employed a lot of designed QB runs too that don't work in the NFL. Of course, the biggest knock on him is that he went to a small school. I feel like if he went to Stanford, or Cal, or USC, Auburn... people would be loving this kid. He was 5'8, 125 in HS, so he went underecruited.

And he's not really ranked that low. CBS sports draft board has him as a 1-2 round pick, and once the Senior Bowl and combine roll around, I assume his stock will raise. I have watched all the tape available on Goff, Wentz, Lynch and Cook. I like them all in that order, with Goff and Wentz having the most potential.

You can watch Carson Wentz tape here and read DanTheMan, our local scout's review of him here.
 

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tm1119 said:
How does Hardy fit into that group athletically??? I keep seeing people knock Bosa and Lawson because they aren't the quick twitch speed rushing type, but then mention resigning Hardy in the same sentence. Hardy IS NOT a speed rusher either people. He's a 280+lb guy who probably runs close to a 5 flat 40 at this point (4.87 out of college). There is more than 1 way to get to the QB and Hardy, Chandler Jones, Michael Bennett, and plenty of others are a prime example of that. I'm not saying either Bosa or Lawson are ever going to put up prolific sack #'s like Hardy did (once), but people need to stop acting like any DE that isn't 250 ponds and runs a 4.4 40 can't be great.

Anyway....Bosa is my #2 behind Goff so if he's still on the board it's a no brainer. If Goff, Bosa, and Lynch are all off of the board (seems fairly unlikely) we should have a small bidding war over the #1 LT in the draft so a trade back would be best case scenario. They are more or less the only 4 options I see, I absolutely don't want to draft anyone else at pick #4 as of right now.
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I have no issue taking Bosa if he's there at 4. I think he's a better prospect than Lawson.

I wouldn't take Lawson in the Top 10.
 
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