What if... Eagles had drafted Akili Smith? They almost did

[Blue&Silver]

who in the name of spotted norse gods said "to draw a penalty"?

mcnabb chokes and he's "hurt" to have a built in excuse.

he's a loser who's never won and never will.

excuses to the left dude, i just don't have time for that.

Ok, I'm sensing this isn't about McNabb anymore, and more to do with signing our resident team turd.

I'm just tired of losing because of mediocre quarterback play, and I'm tired of losing to Philly. Its about time we get serious about addressing the departure of Troy instead of putting a bandage on the position every year.

 

[joseephuss]

Personally, I think this guy plays to the camera a little. He seems to limp more after he makes a bad play.

I'm not convinced that if the Eagles had taken Smith, and the Browns McNabb, that McNabb would not be out of football right now, and Smith would be just as successful (kind of I guess) as McNabb. McNabb is the greatest example ever of a product of the system. A system whose back-up QB's can come in and actually play better than McNabb (Garcia, Feeley). Had Smith grasped Reid's system, he would be just as good, if not better. If McNabb had went to the expansion Browns or the trainwreck known as the Bengals, at that time, I think he would probably be out of football right now.

Garcia didn't play better than McNabb. The whole Eagles team started playing better and Reid made a more of an effort to feature Westbrook. The play calling changed for the better. And don't forget the Eagles faced the Giants, Cowboys and Falcons to end the season. All three teams were playing bad football at the end of the season and put up poor efforts against Philly.

Smith just was not a good QB. McNabb is not trash who is a product of a system. He is a very good QB. Not great because if he were great then Philly may have a Superbowl win or at the least played in more than just one.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I think he makes injuries out to be worse than they are when he starts playing bad ..... anytime the guy throws an interception, he limps off the field.

So true. So frickin' true.

 

[zrinkill]

and more to do with signing our resident team turd.

OK and who would that be?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

OK and who would that be?

Jason Witten of course.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Wow...that would be some sick beagles fans for sure.....personally, I wish they had.

 

[Big Country]

I can sit here and rip McNabb with the best of em when it comes to making big plays in crucial situations, but I can't question his toughness. He's 1 tough SOB. I remember when Roy finished his season a couple years ago, the dude tried coming back in that game with a hernia, and torn groin on both sides. Dude is nuts.

Wasn't he doing the moonwalk that game also after a TD run? Maybe not that game, but the MNF game where Dallas won in the last two minutes of the 4th when it looked bleak. No sympathy here if he has to show off.

His injuries are most likely a cause of too much MSG... An ingredient in all Chunky Soups...

 

[iceberg]

Ok, I'm sensing this isn't about McNabb anymore, and more to do with signing our resident team turd.

I'm just tired of losing because of mediocre quarterback play, and I'm tired of losing to Philly. Its about time we get serious about addressing the departure of Troy instead of putting a bandage on the position every year.

well, let me be as blunt as i can be for you since you seem to be seeing things that are just NOT there.

this has NOTHING to do with who we sign, team turd or not.
this has NOTHING to do with soup, fake moms on tv and whatever
this has NOTHING to do with the cowboys at all.

my point is blunt and pretty clear to all who don't look for hidden agendas in their alphabet soup.

it's simply that mcnabb, when in a big game, screws up a lot. WHEN HE DOES he tends to come up with some injury, limp, or SOMETHING to help lessen the fact that HE SCREWED UP.

i have no idea who you're referring to in "team turd" and frankly don't give a dead rats arse. all i'm saying in this particular post (and i'm dropping it to the lowest intelligence level i possibly can so please don't read anything else into this) is mcnabb chokes then fakes injuries to help lessen the burden or get some sympathy after his "choke".

simple enough now, sparky?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Garcia didn't play better than McNabb. The whole Eagles team started playing better and Reid made a more of an effort to feature Westbrook. The play calling changed for the better. And don't forget the Eagles faced the Giants, Cowboys and Falcons to end the season. All three teams were playing bad football at the end of the season and put up poor efforts against Philly.

Smith just was not a good QB. McNabb is not trash who is a product of a system. He is a very good QB. Not great because if he were great then Philly may have a Superbowl win or at the least played in more than just one.

How can you NOT attribute that to Garcia play and presence behind center? I dont get it? ie. intangible, players confidence in QB etcc

 

[Blue&Silver]

well, let me be as blunt as i can be for you since you seem to be seeing things that are just NOT there.

this has NOTHING to do with who we sign, team turd or not.
this has NOTHING to do with soup, fake moms on tv and whatever
this has NOTHING to do with the cowboys at all.

my point is blunt and pretty clear to all who don't look for hidden agendas in their alphabet soup.

it's simply that mcnabb, when in a big game, screws up a lot. WHEN HE DOES he tends to come up with some injury, limp, or SOMETHING to help lessen the fact that HE SCREWED UP.

i have no idea who you're referring to in "team turd" and frankly don't give a dead rats arse. all i'm saying in this particular post (and i'm dropping it to the lowest intelligence level i possibly can so please don't read anything else into this) is mcnabb chokes then fakes injuries to help lessen the burden or get some sympathy after his "choke".

simple enough now, sparky?

Ok, I'm game. I'll ignore everything I know to true based on my experience of watching the guy playing College, and pro ball, and assume you're right.

Can you point to 1 instance where this tendency you claim occurred other than 2005 when his injury issues were well documented?

I honestly can't. I remember the Carolina playoff game where he left the field injured. 1 could say the Eagles lied about his injury, but 2 weeks later he was still injured and pulled out of the probowl.

I vaguely remember the Cardinal game where he limped around, but turns out the ankle was broken. And last year the torn ACL. No indications of that being fake.

Instead of trying to insult my intelligent because of my objectivity, show me your proof with documented occurrences, instead of homerism, and insults.

Hey Eagle fans, you guys should know something about this subject, am I way off base with my observations?

 

[adamknite]

Ok, I'm game. I'll ignore everything I know to true based on my experience of watching the guy playing College, and pro ball, and assume you're right.

Can you point to 1 instance where this tendency you claim occurred other than 2005 when his injury issues were well documented?

I honestly can't. I remember the Carolina playoff game where he left the field injured. 1 could say the Eagles lied about his injury, but 2 weeks later he was still injured and pulled out of the probowl.

I vaguely remember the Cardinal game where he limped around, but turns out the ankle was broken. And last year the torn ACL. No indications of that being fake.

Instead of trying to insult my intelligent because of my objectivity, show me your proof with documented occurrences, instead of homerism, and insults.

Hey Eagle fans, you guys should know something about this subject, am I way off base with my observations?

Dude are you even listening to what people are saying? Nobody is saying he's faking injuries like a sports hernia or torn ACL! Example of what they are saying: 2 guys are playing basketball, Guy1 takes a shot and misses, he starts rubbing his shoulder and says "well my shoulder has been sore since I lifted something the other day at work" Regardless of the injury McNabb always puts the blame for his playing poorly on an "injury." Nobody has said "McNabb faked his hernia" or any injury.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I'll say it: McNabb has a history of getting "injured" when things go south in a game or when he throws crucial interceptions.
Furthermore, even the most casual of football fans can see this if they watch McFlab play.
I will go one step further: Garcia shone while McFlab did not.
McFlab did not want competition from a better QB and thus whined to the management which let Garcia go.
An Aikman or Montana or Staubach or Manning would not do that. Those guys would just play to the best of their abilities and eventually beat out the competition. McFlab won't. He's insecure and feigns injury to cover his arse.

 

[joseephuss]

How can you NOT attribute that to Garcia play and presence behind center? I dont get it? ie. intangible, players confidence in QB etcc

And McNabb doesn't have those same intangibles? He has led them to 4 NFC championship games and 1 Superbowl. Sure Garcia's presence may have helped, but it looked mostly like just a change in offensive philosophy to take pressure off the QB. Garcia was not asked to do the same things McNabb was asked to do.

It was the defense that gave the game away against the Giants early in the season. It was the defense that gave up 31 points to the Titans. The same defense that gave up 45 to the Colts in Garcia's first start of the season. That defense turned it around and started playing better.

I would rather face Philly with Garcia than with McNabb playing.

 

[Smashmouth24]

Ok, I'm game. I'll ignore everything I know to true based on my experience of watching the guy playing College, and pro ball, and assume you're right.

Can you point to 1 instance where this tendency you claim occurred other than 2005 when his injury issues were well documented?

I honestly can't. I remember the Carolina playoff game where he left the field injured. 1 could say the Eagles lied about his injury, but 2 weeks later he was still injured and pulled out of the probowl.

I vaguely remember the Cardinal game where he limped around, but turns out the ankle was broken. And last year the torn ACL. No indications of that being fake.

Instead of trying to insult my intelligent because of my objectivity, show me your proof with documented occurrences, instead of homerism, and insults.

Hey Eagle fans, you guys should know something about this subject, am I way off base with my observations?

He doesn't limp when he throws INTs. He pats himself on the chest and says "my bad" (like we didn't already know it). He had legitimate injuries against the Cardinals, Panthers, and Cowboys. The only time he got up after a big mistake and 'limped around' was against the Cardinals (fumbled while his ankle was being broken) and Cowboys (INT to RW31).

 

[Smashmouth24]

Dude are you even listening to what people are saying? Nobody is saying he's faking injuries like a sports hernia or torn ACL! Example of what they are saying: 2 guys are playing basketball, Guy1 takes a shot and misses, he starts rubbing his shoulder and says "well my shoulder has been sore since I lifted something the other day at work" Regardless of the injury McNabb always puts the blame for his playing poorly on an "injury." Nobody has said "McNabb faked his hernia" or any injury.

He _never_ does this. He puts on a mopey face and says "my bad" but he doesn't feign injuries. This myth seems to be based entirely off of one play to Roy Williams. Pretty stupid. He also doesn't excuse poor play with phony injuries, either. You won't find examples of any such thing.

 

[superpunk]

And McNabb doesn't have those same intangibles? He has led them to 4 NFC championship games and 1 Superbowl. Sure Garcia's presence may have helped, but it looked mostly like just a change in offensive philosophy to take pressure off the QB. Garcia was not asked to do the same things McNabb was asked to do.

It was the defense that gave the game away against the Giants early in the season. It was the defense that gave up 31 points to the Titans. The same defense that gave up 45 to the Colts in Garcia's first start of the season. That defense turned it around and started playing better.

I would rather face Philly with Garcia than with McNabb playing.

They started actually stopping the run, as well. Early in the year, Philly and Indy were setting records for futility in terms of YPC allowed. That was a big reason for their turnaround.

Another reason was Reid's playcalling. You can speculate that he will allow Morninhwheg to keep calling the solid run game he was doing late in the year, but I almost guarantee you it will not go down like that. McNabb is Reid's toy - when he is out there, Reid wants to throw it all the time.Every season Reid talks the talk about committing to the run, then when the lights come on - it's the same old same old - he abandons it, and never gets it established so they can finish out the game. Then, you have situations where McNabb earns (and make no mistake, he has earned it) his reputation for coming up small when he needs to be big. He does his stupid stuff like last year against us with the Roy W. INT and this year with his taunting of the LBs against the Giants?

Reid is just as much to blame. For all his accolades, and tales of offensive brilliance, he is a suspect gameday coach. IF he lets Marty keep calling the game, and they are dedicated to the run, maybe the EAgles can be better with McNabb. But he's shown no propensity to thus far - why will that change? I doubt it will.

 

[zrinkill]

I'll say it: McNabb has a history of getting "injured" when things go south in a game or when he throws crucial interceptions.
Furthermore, even the most casual of football fans can see this if they watch McFlab play.
I will go one step further: Garcia shone while McFlab did not.
McFlab did not want competition from a better QB and thus whined to the management which let Garcia go.
An Aikman or Montana or Staubach or Manning would not do that. Those guys would just play to the best of their abilities and eventually beat out the competition. McFlab won't. He's insecure and feigns injury to cover his arse.

Very True

 

[adamknite]

He doesn't limp when he throws INTs. He pats himself on the chest and says "my bad" (like we didn't already know it). He had legitimate injuries against the Cardinals, Panthers, and Cowboys. The only time he got up after a big mistake and 'limped around' was against the Cardinals (fumbled while his ankle was being broken) and Cowboys (INT to RW31).

he didn't have any trouble with the injury when he was freaking moon dancing in the end zone, now did he?

 

[joseephuss]

he didn't have any trouble with the injury when he was freaking moon dancing in the end zone, now did he?

He also didn't have any trouble with the injury after he threw the interception. It was only after Brade James blocked him did it further aggravate the injury. McNabb ran over to the area where Roy was runnng back the interception and was not limping. Then James blocked him and McNabb went down awkwardly. That is all it takes for that type of injury.

Maybe it only seems like he "fakes" his injuries after every interception because he throws so few interceptions. He throws the second fewest interceptions per pass attempt in NFL history.

 

[zrinkill]

James barely touched McNabb ....... he ducked and rolled and suddenly was hurt because he knew he had lost the game.

He milked the injury he was playing with because of his play.