J_Allen
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Thats called playing within a system and coaches playing best matchups.
Was his best season for a reason.
He was in all pro the next year in tennessee.
Thats called playing within a system and coaches playing best matchups.
Was his best season for a reason.
Me likey!!!!!!Come away from this draft with
1st - A starting OL, position does not matter. Guard,Center, Tackle, dont care who falls, this OL is desperate.
2nd - Give Quinn his pick here, I bet its more valuable and starting worthy than the past decade with 2nd round choices, give the man his choice.
3rd - Go BPA here, its a deep WR draft so might get lucky and catch one falling.
What I dont want to see in this draft is throwing away our 4 5th rounders like those picks are worthless, we need to hit there, and this draft is backloaded.
Let McClay play with those picks and watch what happens to this roster quickly.
Its actually a great idea if you nail 3-4 starters in every draft and get to play them on rookie contracts if you hit the jackpot on a draft and lucky enough to do so, the problem is that we need to basically do just that every year.
Drafting rooks into starting roles is the future of this league.
Agents representing grab cap every year as it elevates, so fans believing in cap expansion somehow helps is very short sighted, agent know what the FO has in the pocket every minute of every day.
Gaining Cap means nothing.
3-4 starters in a draft, I laughed at myself when I saw that I posted that,, you are lucky to grab a Parsons from a draft class.
Just watch this 2nd year draft class close is all Im asking of those that follow.
WM stamp was allowed and is all over that draft class, esp now.
You can be wrong five times a day like me if you let your guard down for just a moment around these parts.I have no patience to read all the posts but when I read the question all that came to mind was that we have no clue what to do with our #1, and look to make a bit bang in rd 2 and the only way we think it can happen is to pick the guy who could have been top 5 but fell...not having a clue as to why they fell. I can't be wrong can I?
There is an entertainment value for everyone. But some of us have more critical thinking. That’s part of the entertainment value.Well, there isn't much you or @Bobhaze can do about it, so why get so bent outta shape? If you're a fan, you take the good with the bad.....it's meant to be entertaining.....it's not meant to piss you off....
You have too get a quality starter in the 2nd. Always thought anyone taken after the 3rd is a total crapshoot.2nd Round is not the time, or place Big Brother.
That's the time to secure a reliable cog in the machine moving forward.
Not a lottery ticket.
That's what the rest of the Draft is for.
Why do you get bent out of shape at people who enjoy analyzing and giving opinions? Why does that bother you at all?Well, there isn't much you or @Bobhaze can do about it, so why get so bent outta shape? If you're a fan, you take the good with the bad.....it's meant to be entertaining.....it's not meant to piss you off....
Because I dealt with fans that didn't know a dang thing throughout my careerWhy do you get bent out of shape at people who enjoy analyzing and giving opinions? Why does that bother you at all?
The problem I have with this second round history is taking unnecessary risks year after year with a premium draft pick. It’s not wrong to take a risk. Maybe do it once. Or take risks on day 3 in rounds 4-7. But over and over in the 2nd round?I will say this about 2015. That was the draft after the Packers playoff loss where we couldn't sniff a hobbled Rodgers.
The team took a risk on Hardy and then in the 2nd Gregory was still there.
Obviously in hindsight both moves backfired(short term). But, with the team still in the Romo win now mode, drafting Gregory seemed like a worthy risk cause he was a talented pass rusher from CFB that had the talent to be a very good RDE. They either where completely surprised at his weed habits or didn't vet him hard enough during the draft process on why he smoked weed.
20/20 here but that draft had some gems later on for DE's. Danielle Hunter was picked mid-late 3rd round and ZaDarius Smith was in the 4th.
And red flag Frank Clark didn't get suspended as much as RG94 did.
I have never understood the mindset that making a premium second round draft pick is the perfect place to roll the draft dice. Take chances in rounds 4-7. Round two picks should be starting if not right away, at least showing they can soon.
Under the Jones FO, this team has done very well with first round picks but conversely have down awful in round two. It’s almost laughable how our 2nd round picks have turned out for this team. Let’s look at our 2nd round picks in the last 15 drafts:
So in the last 15 drafts, the Cowboys drafted 12 players in the second round. If you count Jaylon Smith, only three of those 12 ever played for Dallas after their rookie deals- so far. Those guys are Sean Lee, DLaw, and Jaylon Smith. Diggs will probably get a second deal- at least we think so at this point.
- 2007- No selection- traded prior to draft.
- 2008- Martellius Bennett- TE. Had a good career after he left Dallas. Somehow, this team could never figure out how to pair him with Witten.
- 2009- No selection because Jerry traded the 2nd round pick to Buffalo for a 3rd and and two 4ths. Part of one of the worst drafts in Cowboys history.
- 2010- Sean Lee- LB- first round talent with a mile long injury history. He was great…when he played. He missed a whopping 58 games in his 11 year career.
- 2011- Bruce Carter- LB- a pretty prospect out of college, played in 32 games in 4 yrs in Dallas. Has had an ok NFL career.
- 2012- no 2nd round pick; traded to the rams so we could move up in round one to get Mo Claiborne with the 5th pick. Claiborne was pretty much a bust considering what this team gave up to get him.
- 2013- Gavin Escobar-TE- at total BUST. Started 7 games in 4 years and rarely played. Was completely out of the league 5 yrs after being drafted.
- 2014- DeMarcus Lawrence- DE- despite what many fans here think, DLaw has been an outstanding player. Most don’t like him because of his paycheck. He’s a 2nd rounder that has worked out here.
- 2015- Randy Gregory- DE- another of Jerry’s wild risks on a guy with great talent but struggling with well chronicled mental health and substance issues off the field. In 7 seasons, never played more than 12 games. And JJ was prepared to pay him like a star before Denver stepped in.
- 2016- Jaylon Smith- LB- another medical risk pick on a guy who was once a stud. His college knee injury was so devastating, he never got back to his potential. Somehow JJ saw him as a top 10 LB in the league and paid him accordingly. Was cut less than two years later and out of the league.
- 2017- Chidobe Awuzie- CB- turned into a decent corner yet was not deemed worth keeping. Started for the Bengals in the SB last year.
- 2018- Connor Williams- OL- drafted to play LG and played ok at times. Often overwhelmed by bull rushers and eventually became the best holder in the league with the stats to prove it. I never thought this guy was anything special. Signed with Miami this off-season.
- 2019- Trysten Hill- DT- going into his 4th NFL season, he has to be called a bust. Jury still out…kinda.
- 2020- Trayvon Diggs- CB- had an All pro season last year and is still only 24. Needs to improve his coverage skills more but he’s been the best 2nd rounder we’ve had along with DLaw.
- 2021- Kelvin Joseph- CB- we all know about the recent “person of interest” embrolio he got himself into. His off field behavior was a red flag going into last yrs draft. Which is often a green light for JJ. Too early to know how this turns out.
With Kelvin Joseph’s potential legal woes, we may have to add another bust to this list.
THIS YEAR- Here’s hoping we draft a talented, un-injured player with no off field issues.
The problem I have with this second round history is taking unnecessary risks year after year with a premium draft pick. It’s not wrong to take a risk. Maybe do it once. Or take risks on day 3 in rounds 4-7. But over and over in the 2nd round?
When in 15 drafts, your team has only kept 3 second rounders after their rookie deals have expired, that’s bad. Then that forces you to make corrective moves in subsequent drafts and you get what we’ve been getting: mediocrity.
LOL! Who’s more “bent out of shape”? The people offering an opinion on a bad drafting trend- or people who just don’t like opinions they disagree with? On an opinion forum, lol!Well, there isn't much you or @Bobhaze can do about it, so why get so bent outta shape? If you're a fan, you take the good with the bad.....it's meant to be entertaining.....it's not meant to piss you off....
What didn't you understand? Do you really think getting bent outta shape is gonna change anything.LOL! Who’s more “bent out of shape”? The people offering an opinion on a bad drafting trend- or people who just don’t like opinions they disagree with? On an opinion forum, lol!
If you disagree with an opinion, you are welcome to explain why. Please do. I’m fine with any fan who disagrees with any opinion offered here. If you are ok with our second round draft history, that’s fine. I would love to see your analysis why you disagree. Bring it.