What is making this team so widely inconsistant?

[RS12]

What is making this team so widely inconsistant?

Coaching, play calling, and over rated talent.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

There is an Elephant in the room.

 

[T-RO]

The team is not as inconsistent as it would appear.

Consider:
1. The league is one of parity. Lots of team have these starts, sputters and stalls.
2. We've won our two home games and lost our two road games. That's not too surprising is it?
3. We beat two bad teams, and lost to two pretty good teams. Again not surprising.

We just are a pretty average team. The results follow.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

As a fan who just picks up info from all the outlets it was hard not to like the trade for Claiborne, even if it was reckless.

The thought of getting a top notch shutdown CB was awesome. He hasn't looked anything like that.

There's no way his college tape looks like this because if it did, I don't see how he was so highly regarded.

He was rated the #1 defensive player in the draft by us. I believe other teams had his similarly rated. And we got him for a 2nd round (essentially). Furthermore, with the rookie cap in place, he's not going to kill us against the cap.

But, I had my doubts since he wasn't a willing tackler and not overly good at it. Newman wasn't a good tackler, but he was willing and turned into a competent tackler. With today's NFL I think there is more of a premium on the DB's being able to form tackle very well. There are so many short passes being thrown that completing them is easy. The question becomes if the defense can prevent YAC. I think in large part that is why Scandrick is succeeding now. He's always been a willing and capable tackler. Fortunately, Kiffin's scheme has always favored bigger and better tackling corners instead of 'cover corners.' Sucks for Claiborne if he can't get his act together, but in the future we will likely be drafting those bigger, more physical corners.




YR

 

[Risen Star]

He was rated the #1 defensive player in the draft by us. I believe other teams had his similarly rated. And we got him for a 2nd round (essentially). Furthermore, with the rookie cap in place, he's not going to kill us against the cap.

We didn't essentially get him for a 2nd round pick. We got him for the 14th pick overall and a 2nd round pick. After spending 50 million on Brandon Carr and sifting thru the bargain bin for two bad starting Gs. It was horrible value from a team that still didn't understand you build from the front back.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We didn't essentially get him for a 2nd round pick. We got him for the 14th pick overall and a 2nd round pick. After spending 50 million on Brandon Carr and sifting thru the bargain bin for two bad starting Gs. It was horrible value from a team that still didn't understand you build from the front back.

No, we DID essentially got him for a 2nd round pick.

All we did was switch positions in the 1st round. What was left over was giving up a 2nd rounder for him.

It's not that difficult to understand no matter how much you want to rip Jerry for it. If you don't like giving up a 2nd rounder, fine. However, usually when you move up that high in the draft you're going to give up more than a 2nd rounder. The Commanders jump up 2 spots in that very draft and essentially gave up 2 future first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

Finally, with the rookie cap in place it's not going to kill us cap-wise if Claiborne is a bust.

It still hurts because you invested time, money and effort into a player that isn't working out. And you gave up a 2nd rounder for him. But trying to make it look like we didn't essentially get him for a 2nd round pick is ludicrous.




YR

 

[Risen Star]

No, we DID essentially got him for a 2nd round pick.

All we did was switch positions in the 1st round. What was left over was giving up a 2nd rounder for him.

It's not that difficult to understand no matter how much you want to rip Jerry for it. If you don't like giving up a 2nd rounder, fine. However, usually when you move up that high in the draft you're going to give up more than a 2nd rounder. The Commanders jump up 2 spots in that very draft and essentially gave up 2 future first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

Finally, with the rookie cap in place it's not going to kill us cap-wise if Claiborne is a bust.

It still hurts because you invested time, money and effort into a player that isn't working out. And you gave up a 2nd rounder for him. But trying to make it look like we didn't essentially get him for a 2nd round pick is ludicrous.




YR

I agree. It's easy to understand. We used our 1st and 2nd round pick on Morris Claiborne and no amount of spin is going to change that fact.

 

[50cent]

Jerry jones lack of a organizational philosophy. He changes them with the wind and that lack of stability will continue to pull this franchise down.

 

[CosmicCowboy]

Owner / coaching!!!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree. It's easy to understand. We used our 1st and 2nd round pick on Morris Claiborne and no amount of spin is going to change that fact.

It's not 'spin.'

It's how basic bargaining and trading works. The Cowboys got something in return for that first and 2nd rounder....a first rounder of higher value.

We essentially gave up a 2nd rounder. No vendetta against Jerry will change that. Just like the Niners essentially gave up a 3rd rounder to trade with us in order to get Eric Reid.





YR

 

[Risen Star]

It's not 'spin.'

It's how basic bargaining and trading works. The Cowboys got something in return for that first and 2nd rounder....a first rounder of higher value.

We essentially gave up a 2nd rounder. No vendetta against Jerry will change that. Just like the Niners essentially gave up a 3rd rounder to trade with us in order to get Eric Reid.

YR

We used our 1st and 2nd round pick to obtain Claiborne. You don't just count the 2nd round pick. You used the 1st on him too. The Cowboys started the draft with the 14th and 45th overall picks. What they got with those picks was CB Morris Claiborne. Nothing more.

When you have to spin it like you're doing you're pretty much admitting it was a terrible trade.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We used our 1st and 2nd round pick to obtain Claiborne. You don't just count the 2nd round pick. You used the 1st on him too. The Cowboys started the draft with the 14th and 45th overall picks. What they got with those picks was CB Morris Claiborne. Nothing more.

When you have to spin it like you're doing you're pretty much admitting it was a terrible trade.

Do you understand how trade and bargain works?

We acquired the 6th overall pick. We got something of value. Something of more value than the 14th overall pick.

Do you understand simple addition and subtraction? I don't think you do.





YR

 

[eyato]

I rarely post here, not because I don’t want to, but most of the time, you guys just beat me to the good topics and I really enjoy logging on and reading/lurking every day. This week (probably next week too) is a good time to point out all the things that have plagued this team really since Jimmy left. I know we had a small respite when Parcells was here, but not much. We're still a fairly mediocre team and have been for a long time. So I don’t want to pile on with all the negative stuff, So my question is, looking at the teams that are doing really well this year,(Seattle, Denver, KC or organizations like New England, Pittsburgh etc. that put together a good showing year in and year out. What are they doing that is making them so much better than us? It’s not money. Jerry has plenty.

TONY ROMO, THAT'S WHY!!!!!!

 

[Risen Star]

Do you understand how trade and bargain works?

We acquired the 6th overall pick. We got something of value. Something of more value than the 14th overall pick.

Do you understand simple addition and subtraction? I don't think you do.





YR

Yeah, I understand when a team packages two picks to acquire a player it came at the price of those two picks. We invested our 1st and 2nd round picks in Claiborne.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yeah, I understand when a team packages two picks to acquire a player it came at the price of those two picks. We invested our 1st and 2nd round picks in Claiborne.

You obviously don't understand that we picked up something of value.

Here's the math:

6 - 14 = -8

-8 + 45 = 37

In the end, we essentially lost a second rounder for Claiborne.

And like I said, we essentially gave up a 2nd rounder in order to move up and acquire the #1 defensive player in the draft. Typically when you move up that much to acquire the #1 player on either side of the ball...it's going to cost more than switching out your 1st and adding a 2nd round pick.

The Bucs would have no reason to trade with anybody if they didn't get at least a 1st rounder and an additional pick(s). Otherwise, nobody would ever make any trades in the draft.





YR

 

[visionary]

You obviously don't understand that we picked up something of value.

Here's the math:

6 - 14 = -8

-8 + 45 = 37

In the end, we essentially lost a second rounder for Claiborne.

And like I said, we essentially gave up a 2nd rounder in order to move up and acquire the #1 defensive player in the draft. Typically when you move up that much to acquire the #1 player on either side of the ball...it's going to cost more than switching out your 1st and adding a 2nd round pick.

The Bucs would have no reason to trade with anybody if they didn't get at least a 1st rounder and an additional pick(s). Otherwise, nobody would ever make any trades in the draft.





YR

Perhaps you can educate us further in mathematics
So, if we used our rd 2 pick on Mo, what did we do with our rd 1 pick? Or did we not have one in that draft ?

 

[Tabascocat]

TONY ROMO, THAT'S WHY!!!!!!

Nice first post!

 

[visionary]

As someone said above, we are not inconsistent, we are consistently mediocre to bad

Reasons for this in order

1. Our inept FO comprising Jerry jones and his even less competent son, Stephen jones
2. Jason Garrett. Unspectacular QB coach elevated to forgettable OC elevated to learning- on-the-job HC

 

[Risen Star]

Perhaps you can educate us further in mathematics
So, if we used our rd 2 pick on Mo, what did we do with our rd 1 pick? Or did we not have one in that draft ?

Yeah. That was a nice magic trick.

Somehow we invested our 1st round pick in a trade to draft Claiborne without using our 1st round pick. He was a 2nd round investment. Check the math.

 

[Risen Star]

Unfortunately Risen that's not a discussion that is even worth having because it has ZERO chance of being done. The FO is what the FO is going to be. There is no getting around it. Jerry isn't going to change his ways of doing things and he's not going to sell the team. So those have no shot of happening.

We can only hope that some of the other things are able to change despite the FO because the FO isn't changing now or in the future.

Oh, it's changing in the future. Nothing is forever. Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now but Cowboys fans won't always have to deal with that lunatic.