What is making this team so widely inconsistant?

[Tabascocat]

Yeah. That was a nice magic trick.

Somehow we invested our 1st round pick in a trade to draft Claiborne without using our 1st round pick. He was a 2nd round investment. Check the math.

In the end, wouldn't it just be easier for everyone to say the Cowboys lost one pick(2nd round) to acquire Mo? We did not lose the first round as it was used. It would have been used regardless.

Giving up a 1st and a 2nd is not an accurate way of putting it because the 1st was not really given away, it was used 8 spots earlier.

 

[KJJ]

What's making the Cowboys so inconsistent is the lack of a solid HC. This continues to be a dysfunctional team that lacks direction despite numerous personnel and coordinator changes. Garrett has been a big step down from Wade compare their records their first 3 years as HC with the Cowboys. Making a head coaching change is suppose to energize and improve a team and the Cowboys have made no progress under Garrett. The best the Cowboys looked under him was when he was the interim HC in 2010.

The Cowboys made the playoffs twice in Wades first 3 years leading them to their first playoff win in 13 years. He had winning seasons his first 3 years while Garrett has the Cowboys on track for a third straight 500 season. Nothing is going to change with the Cowboys until Jerry sets his ego aside and hires a solid proven HC like the Chiefs did with Andy Reid.

 

[Risen Star]

that was my argument

The sooner people realize that, then they can actually think or come up with other ideas on how to improve this team.

Jerry and stephen will always be the head of the snake. Want change? Just hope they change their ways, because they ain't leaving.

We Won 3 superbowls with Jerry before, we can win again, just need the right pieces...IMO..a better offensive mind is at the top of the list.

You won three Super Bowls when the team was built by someone other than the Joneses. That team wasn't put together under the structure you see today where Jerry's heading personnel meetings and acts as the team mouthpiece.

There isn't a way to fix this team until that changes.

 

[Risen Star]

In the end, wouldn't it just be easier for everyone to say the Cowboys lost one pick(2nd round) to acquire Mo? We did not lose the first round as it was used. It would have been used regardless.

Giving up a 1st and a 2nd is not an accurate way of putting it because the 1st was not really given away, it was used 8 spots earlier.

It certainly is accurate. You use a pick on a player, that's his price tag. Travis Frederick cost the Cowboys a 1st.

I said the Cowboys invested a 1st and 2nd round pick on Claiborne. How anyone can dispute that is beyond me.

As for wasting the pick, I couldn't imagine less bang for my buck than packaging those two picks for Claiborne and I said that when the trade was made. It was literally the worst case scenario for me.

 

[Risen Star]

What's making the Cowboys so inconsistent is the lack of a solid HC. This continues to be a dysfunctional team that lacks direction despite numerous personnel and coordinator changes. Garrett has been a big step down from Wade compare their records their first 3 years as HC with the Cowboys. Making a head coaching change is suppose to energize and improve a team and the Cowboys have made no progress under Garrett. The best the Cowboys looked under him was when he was the interim HC in 2010.

The Cowboys made the playoffs twice in Wades first 3 years leading them to their first playoff win in 13 years. He had winning seasons his first 3 years while Garrett has the Cowboys on track for a third straight 500 season. Nothing is going to change with the Cowboys until Jerry sets his ego aside and hires a solid proven HC like the Chiefs did with Andy Reid.

Wade took over Parcells team that was just entering it's prime.

Garrett took over Wade's team that was coming apart at the seams.

 

[BHendri5]

I thought we had 12 more games left to play? Yeah, some teams peak early and fade late, some do not show up until a late season run. Some teams can show their identity early some it takes a little longer, may 5/6 games into the season and some just never get it figured out, till the next season or seasons may go by.

I say for the Boys by the 6th game we will know who they are and they will know who they are.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh, it's changing in the future. Nothing is forever. Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now but Cowboys fans won't always have to deal with that lunatic.

Well that's true. But it's someone they'll deal with until the day he finally steps away on his own, or he is taken away by natural causes, but then you'll have his son for years and years after that. I'm not sure, at this point anyway, how much different that will be.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wade took over Parcells team that was just entering it's prime.

Garrett took over Wade's team that was coming apart at the seams.

An excellent point about the differences in the situations the last two head coaches walked into. The only thing I might point out here is that Garrett was part of that team that was coming apart at the seams under Wade, for whatever it's worth on his role within that team and it's structure.

 

[Risen Star]

Well that's true. But it's someone they'll deal with until the day he finally steps away on his own, or he is taken away by natural causes, but then you'll have his son for years and years after that. I'm not sure, at this point anyway, how much different that will be.

I'm holding on to hope it'll be different. Even if he just hires a personnel guru from outside the organization to come in to assist him, it would be progress.

But if he names Jerry Jones Jr. the new VP of Personnel, institutionalize me. I will lose my mind.

 

[Risen Star]

An excellent point about the differences in the situations the last two head coaches walked into. The only thing I might point out here is that Garrett was part of that team that was coming apart at the seams under Wade, for whatever it's worth on his role within that team and it's structure.

That's fair. I never liked how Garrett got here. Hiring the offensive coordinator before the head coach. The GM hiring any assistant for the head coach, for that matter.

That's the ego at work. That's what has to change.

 

[Tabascocat]

Wade took over Parcells team that was just entering it's prime.

Garrett took over Wade's team that was coming apart at the seams.

Wade and Garrett both took over Parcells team. Garrett then took over Wade's which in part is Jason's. Common denominator = Garrett which is equivalent to Jerry creating this mess.

Wade did a good job considering he didn't even get to pick his offensive coordinator.

 

[DeaconMoss]

the spelling bee?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Perhaps you can educate us further in mathematics
So, if we used our rd 2 pick on Mo, what did we do with our rd 1 pick? Or did we not have one in that draft ?

It's about value. I guess you guys don't understand it.

If we always viewed it that way, there would never be any trades in the draft.

Let's say I have a car valued at $30K and you have a car valued at $40k. And you say you would like to trade, but you want my $20K boat as well as my car.

I've essentially given came away losing the boat because I got a car in exchange for my car and your car was of higher value.

We had a first round pick all along. Just like the Niners had a 1st rounder when they traded up to get Eric Reid. Essentially, they gave up a 3rd rounder for him. We didn't really 'acquire' a first rounder. We just switched positions and gained a 3rd rounder.

I can't understand why you are puzzled by this.



YR

 

[visionary]

It's about value. I guess you guys don't understand it.

If we always viewed it that way, there would never be any trades in the draft.

Let's say I have a car valued at $30K and you have a car valued at $40k. And you say you would like to trade, but you want my $20K boat as well as my car.

I've essentially given came away losing the boat because I got a car in exchange for my car and your car was of higher value.

We had a first round pick all along. Just like the Niners had a 1st rounder when they traded up to get Eric Reid. Essentially, they gave up a 3rd rounder for him. We didn't really 'acquire' a first rounder. We just switched positions and gained a 3rd rounder.

I can't understand why you are puzzled by this.



YR

I guess the confusion works both ways

In the interest of simplifying this, let me ask you

When we picked Fred with our rd 1 pick this year , did he cost us a rd 1 pick ? Does not matter if "we already had it" , was the cost of drafting him a rd 1 pick?

When we went into the 2012 draft, we had a rd 1 pick and a rd 2 pick
At the end of rd 2, we only had Mo

Ergo, the price for Mo was our rd 1 pick+ our rd 2 pick
NOT our rd 2 pick

If you don't agree, and still feel that the cost for Mo was our rd 1 pick, please answer my original question about who we picked with out rd 2 pick

Simple enough

If not, we are done