What is the best trade down scenario with our first pick?

[nathanlt]

Whether or not you think trading down is a good idea, which scenario is best? Could Dallas get 3 picks in the top 40? top 60? What do you think?

personally, I am certain that the Cheatriots will not trade up, they seem to own draft day, at least this year.

I wonder, could Dallas trade away their lower picks for better picks next year? Trade a second for next years first, etc.

Because this year is highly suspect anyway, I'd love to have a great selection next year when we pick players who have actually played football in the past season.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Best trade down scenario is trading down and STILL landing Tyron Smith. That is HIGHLY unlikely though.

As for trading a second for a 1st next year. I think that would be foolish. The Cowboys have some serious needs at both oline, DE, and secondary. There is talent to be had in this years draft. Trading a way would do more damage than good IMO. If you land a starter OL in the second round, you got the better deal.

 

[nathanlt]

My scenario is that Dallas trades down to 18 with San Diego, and picks up #18 and #50.

Then, trades down again with Chicago or Pittsburgh and gets #29 and #61.

Dallas draft then looks like this

#29, #40, #50, #61 and #71 through the third round.

Getting 5 players in the top 71 seems so much better than getting three. Even blue chip players are hit and miss, and it seems that if we get enough solid starters across the board, the overall team will be much better for it, instead of getting a single superstar or two. We have enough superstars.

 

[TheCount]

As far as I know, you can't involve next years picks in trades unless there's a CBA, which there won't be by the draft.

 

[nathanlt]

As far as I know, you can't involve next years picks in trades unless there's a CBA, which there won't be by the draft.

Oh... didn't know that. Well, I guess going for it all this year makes sense!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

As far as I know, you can't involve next years picks in trades unless there's a CBA, which there won't be by the draft.

If that is the case...it will change how the Pats do the draft. They always seem to come out of the draft with picks for the following year.

Interesting if true.

 

[TheCount]

If that is the case...it will change how the Pats do the draft. They always seem to come out of the draft with picks for the following year.

Interesting if true.

Okay, so I decided to actually do some followup on this and it turns out the "No future picks" tradeable thing was started by Chris Mortenson but in fact you CAN trade future picks.

However, Players can not be traded for picks, obviously and there is some turmoil as to determining what future picks are worth considering there is no CBA.

So ignore what I said, you can trade picks, the teams just aren't sure what the picks are worth so they may be more conservative this year.

 

[nathanlt]

Okay, so I decided to actually do some followup on this and it turns out the "No future picks" tradeable thing was started by Chris Mortenson but in fact you CAN trade future picks.

However, Players can not be traded for picks, obviously and there is some turmoil as to determining what future picks are worth considering there is no CBA.

So ignore what I said, you can trade picks, the teams just aren't sure what the picks are worth so they may be more conservative this year.

So now we have a new draft debate besides BPA vs need.

Lockout year picks this year vs draft picks next year... is it worth it to trade some away?

 

[Hostile]

The best trade scenario is to get the player who fits your system. It would suck to trade down and miss the guy you targeted. I would suck to stand still and see the guy you want taken. If there is a player you want, get him. Don't try to get cute.

 

[nathanlt]

The best trade scenario is to get the player who fits your system. It would suck to trade down and miss the guy you targeted. I would suck to stand still and see the guy you want taken. If there is a player you want, get him. Don't try to get cute.

What's cute about getting 5 players in the top 71? That's long term sustainability. That's an infusion of youth into your starting lineup. Nothing cute or fancy about it.

 

[supercowboy8]

If Prince is there at 9 I can see Dallas trading back with Detriot but Detriot wont give up a 2nd but would give up a 3rd. STL is another team I can see trading up to 9 for multiple players. Also the Chargers always like to trade up for there guy and with some 3-4 teams between 10-18 I can see them wanting to jump ahead to get their guy at 9.

The way I would like to see it go is trade 9 to Detriot for 13 or to STL for 14 and get an extra 3rd. Then trade 13 or 14 back to 18 with SD. SD will want to be ahead of NE. We can get a 2nd round pick from SD.

If Detriot gets Prince I can see Smith falling to 18. I don't see any team taking Smith between 10-18 besides Detriot and if they trade up for Prince then he will fall to 18. Then the run on OTs will start. Now you would have to take the risk of a team in the early 20s trading up ahead of you to get Smith. But I would be ok with that. I can still get Carimi, Castanzo, or Sherrod at 18.

 

[nathanlt]

Using draftcountdown.com as a guide, I think our team would far better off than any other scenario with the following players

Dallas draft then looks like this

#29 - Derek Sherrod, unfortunately will take a good while to develop. more versatility than dominance.
#40 - Marcus Cannon, Fireplug at guard, replace Davis. Might be used as an RT if needed.
#50 - Rahim Moore, S (hope he falls a bit), or Marvin Austin/Phil Taylor NT
#61 - Curtis Brown, CB 32 PBU, most of any corner, not many picks though.
#71 -Demarco Murray, RB or Jarvis Jenkins DT (most TFL productivity)

Gotta go O-line this year, need it most. I predict character issue players will drop more this year than anything, simply because owners and coaches don't know how much chance they'll get to help immature players get over their issues.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Using draftcountdown.com as a guide, I think our team would far better off than any other scenario with the following players

Dallas draft then looks like this

#29 - Derek Sherrod, unfortunately will take a good while to develop. more versatility than dominance.
#40 - Marcus Cannon, Fireplug at guard, replace Davis. Might be used as an RT if needed.
#50 - Rahim Moore, S (hope he falls a bit), or Marvin Austin/Phil Taylor NT
#61 - Curtis Brown, CB 32 PBU, most of any corner, not many picks though.
#71 -Demarco Murray, RB or Jarvis Jenkins DT (most TFL productivity)

Gotta go O-line this year, need it most. I predict character issue players will drop more this year than anything, simply because owners and coaches don't know how much chance they'll get to help immature players get over their issues.

I doubt Sherrod is still on the board at #29. I think he could go before Carimi and there is no way Carimi is still on the board at #29.

 

[Hostile]

What's cute about getting 5 players in the top 71? That's long term sustainability. That's an infusion of youth into your starting lineup. Nothing cute or fancy about it.

69. Jason Williams

67. James Marten

18. Bobby Carpenter

53. Anthony Fasano

42. Kevin Burnett

43. Julius Jones

52. Jacob Rogers

That is 7 players since 2004 who have been taken in the top 71 who are no longer playing for the Cowboys. You're right, there is nothing cute or fancy about those 7 names.

I'll take 1 Tyron Smith who plays here for 10 years over that gaggle of top 71 talent put together.

 

[TheCount]

69. Jason Williams

67. James Marten

18. Bobby Carpenter

53. Anthony Fasano

42. Kevin Burnett

43. Julius Jones

52. Jacob Rogers

That is 7 players since 2004 who have been taken in the top 71 who are no longer playing for the Cowboys. You're right, there is nothing cute or fancy about those 7 names.

I'll take 1 Tyron Smith who plays here for 10 years over that gaggle of top 71 talent put together.

Not sure I understand that list, is that of players we traded down for?

 

[Hostile]

Not sure I understand that list, is that of players we traded down for?

Some we might have. He said top 71 players for depth.

There's your depth from top 71 players. Worth getting cute and passing on a Tyron Smith for?

Not in my book.

 

[NeonNinja]

Some we might have. He said top 71 players for depth.

There's your depth from top 71 players. Worth getting cute and passing on a Tyron Smith for?

Not in my book.

Agree.

We should take full advantage of being in the top 10 and getting the guy we want. Not worth the risk losing out just for the sake of trading down.

I'm fine with a trade down as long as we still get one of the top guys on our list.

 

[DCBoysfan]

69. Jason Williams

67. James Marten

18. Bobby Carpenter

53. Anthony Fasano

42. Kevin Burnett

43. Julius Jones

52. Jacob Rogers

That is 7 players since 2004 who have been taken in the top 71 who are no longer playing for the Cowboys. You're right, there is nothing cute or fancy about those 7 names.

I'll take 1 Tyron Smith who plays here for 10 years over that gaggle of top 71 talent put together.

That list hurts my eyes

 

[TheCount]

Some we might have. He said top 71 players for depth.

There's your depth from top 71 players. Worth getting cute and passing on a Tyron Smith for?

Not in my book.

I'm not sure I see the correlation between that list and Tyron Smith, but I think Smith is a doable proposition at #9.

I won't profess to know everything there is to know about the kid but if Michael Oher and Bryan Bulaga can go #23, I don't see why some would think it's a travesty to question Smith at #9.

 

[nathanlt]

69. Jason Williams

67. James Marten

18. Bobby Carpenter

53. Anthony Fasano

42. Kevin Burnett

43. Julius Jones

52. Jacob Rogers

That is 7 players since 2004 who have been taken in the top 71 who are no longer playing for the Cowboys. You're right, there is nothing cute or fancy about those 7 names.

I'll take 1 Tyron Smith who plays here for 10 years over that gaggle of top 71 talent put together.

If Tyron Smith plays that long... you'd be right, and obviously you think so. however, Larry Allen in the second round comes to mind, and there are an equal number of names that can support the opposite side of the argument.

There is not 100% proof that Tyron Smith is not a Ryan Leaf type bust. I'd rather take 5 chances than 3.