What is the likely term of Josh Brent's suspension?

[AbeBeta]

you kill someone through your own stupidity you should go to jail.

And this serves what end? Making jails more crowded?

 

[ghst187]

ray lewis killed two guys and didn't even miss a game, in fact was on the cover of madden

 

[AbeBeta]

ray lewis killed two guys and didn't even miss a game, in fact was on the cover of madden

He was not convicted -- there is a big difference there.

There is absolutely nothing standing between Brent and a conviction in this case.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

And this serves what end? Making jails more crowded?

Taken to it's logical extreme - Let's not send anybody to jail if they kill anybody - they can't bring them back and they only did the worst thing to another person they possibly could do. Maybe just have a moratorium on any punishment...I'd like that on the red light cameras in Plano.

/end sarcasm

 

[AbeBeta]

Taken to it's logical extreme - Let's not send anybody to jail if they kill anybody - they can't bring them back and they only did the worst thing to another person they possibly could do. Maybe just have a moratorium on any punishment...I'd like that on the red light cameras in Plano.

/end sarcasm

Your "logical" extreme is not particularly logical. There was no intent to kill here nor is Brent a real danger to kill again. There is a big difference between someone who kills another person during an altercation vs. what Brent did. And you can punish someone with them having to go to prison.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

^ There is nothing uncommon with jail time for negligence/carelessness - manslaughter is one such crime.

If not jail time, it would have to be a pretty serious restitution, but then you can't bring back a life.

 

[AbeBeta]

^ There is nothing uncommon with jail time for negligence/carelessness - manslaughter is one such crime.

If not jail time, it would have to be a pretty serious restitution, but then you can't bring back a life.

I didn't say it was uncommon -- i do believe the focus should be more on restitution -- a pro athlete is a prime example of someone who can likely do considerable good on that front if not incarcerated. Something like 25% of all earnings for 20 years going to victim's families, general victim relief funds, and educational programs directed at prevention would be a very serious penalty.

 

[perrykemp]

There was no intent to kill here nor is Brent a real danger to kill again.

Huh?

The fact that he got caught drunk driving in 2009 and spent two years on probation (ending in 2011) only to go drunk driving again in 2012 and this time kill someone (a team-mate no less) doesn't indicate a strong possibility he might get behind the wheel drink yet a 3rd time?

He clearly has a problem. Busted for drunking driving on two separate occasions and killing someone is plenty of evidence of that.

I'm not an advocate of locking him up and throwing away the key... however, I think the risk associated when bringing Josh Brent back onto the Dallas Cowboys active roster (if that is even a possibility) way outweighs any potential reward.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I'll say it again: some of the members are being way harder on Michael Vick than Josh Brent simply because of which team they play for - there would be no mercy if Brent was an Eagle.

Some of those defending Brent definitely could not serve on his jury because they way they argue suggests they drink and drive at least occasionally and thus sympathize with him too much to arrive at a fair verdict.

 

[AbeBeta]

Huh?

The fact that he got caught drunk driving in 2009 and spent two years on probation (ending in 2011) only to go drunk driving again in 2012 and this time kill someone (a team-mate no less) doesn't indicate a strong possibility he might get behind the wheel drink yet a 3rd time?

He clearly has a problem. Busted for drunking driving on two separate occasions and killing someone is plenty of evidence of that.

I'm not an advocate of locking him up and throwing away the key... however, I think the risk associated when bringing Josh Brent back onto the Dallas Cowboys active roster (if that is even a possibility) way outweighs any potential reward.

His car gets a breathizer lock. Or he loses his licence for life. Either solution fixes the menace to society angle

 

[joseephuss]

The NFL never suspended Marshawn Lynch last year for his DUI that occurred before the season started. I have wondered if that is going to happen this year. I imagine Brent will get suspended at some point, but it is hard to figure out when based on the NFL's dealing with Lynch.

 

[AbeBeta]

The NFL never suspended Marshawn Lynch last year for his DUI that occurred before the season started. I have wondered if that is going to happen this year. I imagine Brent will get suspended at some point, but it is hard to figure out when based on the NFL's dealing with Lynch.

A DUI is a bit different than a DUI that results in someone's death

I expect the league is simply waiting to see what plays out legally -- if Brent is convicted and gets a year or two in jail before training camp, they don't have to worry about punishment.

 

[The Natural]

I'll say it again: some of the members are being way harder on Michael Vick than Josh Brent simply because of which team they play for - there would be no mercy if Brent was an Eagle.

Some of those defending Brent definitely could not serve on his jury because they way they argue suggests they drink and drive at least occasionally and thus sympathize with him too much to arrive at a fair verdict.

I agree with you.

 

[joseephuss]

A DUI is a bit different than a DUI that results in someone's death

I expect the league is simply waiting to see what plays out legally -- if Brent is convicted and gets a year or two in jail before training camp, they don't have to worry about punishment.

I know they are different. I have just been surprised that nothing was ever done about Lynch. It seems to set a strange precedent. I expected Lynch to see some sort of suspension. I expect the same for Brent and Ratliff. And jail time should not keep the NFL from issuing a punishment as well even if it runs concurrent to said jail time.

 

[The Quest for Six]

If he does not go to jail and gets probation...

What is his likely term of his suspension?

he's going to prison, no doubt about that..

 

[joseephuss]

he's going to prison, no doubt about that..

Really? I have seen some things posted here that say there is also a possibility he doesn't. Slim chance he doesn't, but still a chance. I am leaning toward him seeing jail time, but nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Really? I have seen some things posted here that say there is also a possibility he doesn't. Slim chance he doesn't, but still a chance. I am leaning toward him seeing jail time, but nothing would surprise me at this point.

There have been 2 similar tarrant county cases one where two people were killed. It all depends on what the prosecution decides to do.

If they decide to make the manslaughter charge a misdemeanor then he is probably not going to jail. If they make it a felony then maybe. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are grandstanding on a prior DUI hoping that he goes to jail. What do they get out of it?

They may very well be disappointed because he has hired that Royce guy who is buddy buddy with all the local prosecutors.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

What doesn't make sense to me is why people are grandstanding on a prior DUI hoping that he goes to jail. What do they get out of it?

Past behavior is one of the few ways to predict future behavior.

Since he's done DUI more than once, that makes him a high risk to repeat.

Frequently when I read of DUI deaths, the person responsible has been a repeat offender.

This is just like countless threads of signing a player, some will object because he has a lot of penalties, injuries, fumbles, etc.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

His car gets a Breathalyzer lock. Or he loses his licence for life. Either solution fixes the menace to society angle

Those are appropriate actions in a DUI case. In the instance of New Mexico, Breathalyzer locks have reduced the drunks in that state. They are not foolproof.

Alcoholics often go to any length...it's not that uncommon some simply drive another car or without a licence.

I don't think Josh Brent has a drinking problem that severe, but the DUI death changes things - isn't jail time typical?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Past behavior is one of the few ways to predict future behavior.

Since he's done DUI more than once, that makes him a high risk to repeat.

Frequently when I read of DUI deaths, the person responsible has been a repeat offender.

This is just like countless threads of signing a player, some will object because he has a lot of penalties, injuries, fumbles, etc.

So then we should just lock him up forever? You think that jail works as a deterrent?