What is with all the Moon love?

rcaldw

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Listen,

I live in Houston, watched Warren Moon through his entire career. Warren Moon is a NUMBERS guy, and was a good QB, but is not a hall of famer in my book. To compare Moon to Aikman is not based on QB play but STATS. Moon had good teams and GREAT opportunities, that his play directly hurt his team at times. At MAJOR times, like playoff games.

If Troy Aikman is not a first ballot hall of famer, then close the stupid thing down.
 

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Aikman a HOF for sure on his first shot. He's gotta be!! I think Moon is a HOF too tho.. He would get my vote....
 

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I can't think of any other QB that could have operated the Run-N-Shoot the way he did. IMO he's a HOFer as well.
 

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Both are HOF's. I have zero issue with Moon getting in.
 

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Mansta54 said:
Aikman a HOF for sure on his first shot. He's gotta be!! I think Moon is a HOF too tho.. He would get my vote....


Same here...maybe the only thing that hurts moon is his off the field issues...maybe my memory is wrong but didn't he have some domestic dispute issues concerning his wife.
 

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I did a little google search for some accomplishments by Moon. This is all I need to hear:

"Despite spending his first six professional seasons in Canada, Moon ranks third all-time in NFL passing yardage and fifth in touchdown passes thrown. In his pro career, he threw for more than 70,000 yards and 435 touchdowns."

If you need more, think about the SIX CONSECUTIVE Grey Cup championships by his CFL team. You absolutely have to consider that.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Same here...maybe the only thing that hurts moon is his off the field issues...maybe my memory is wrong but didn't he have some domestic dispute issues concerning his wife.

He did but that shouldn't matter.. Dude should be a LOCK...
 

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rcaldw said:
Listen,

I live in Houston, watched Warren Moon through his entire career. Warren Moon is a NUMBERS guy, and was a good QB, but is not a hall of famer in my book. To compare Moon to Aikman is not based on QB play but STATS. Moon had good teams and GREAT opportunities, that his play directly hurt his team at times. At MAJOR times, like playoff games.

If Troy Aikman is not a first ballot hall of famer, then close the stupid thing down.
If any qb could have run Dallas offense close to the way Aikman did it would be Warren Moon. When it came to accuracy he was right there with Aikman.
 

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Fellas, we just must agree to disagree. We apparently saw a different QB play. And the one guy who listed the stats makes my point. Warren only qualifies based on numbers. And in terms of putting up numbers in the run and shoot, how about David Klingler? How about Andre Ware? Both looked like world beaters in College, running the run and shoot, were drafted very high, and then bombed in the pros where they didn't run the run and shoot. I don't think the run and shoot explains away a QB's abilities, and again I say, I think Moon was a good QB, but I think it is wrong to say no one else could have put up those numbers in the run and shoot. The run and shoot was made to produce passing numbers.
 

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warren moon was an outstanding qb.

the oilers would probably have gone to the superbowl twice at least had their defense not crumbled against the bills and broncos. he sure did his part, it wasn't him who blew those games.

i still think warren threw the tightest, prettiest spiral EVER.
 

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lanecity1975 said:
warren moon was an outstanding qb.

the oilers would probably have gone to the superbowl had their defense not crumbled against the bills and broncos. he sure did his part, it wasn't him who blew those games.

i still think warren threw the tightest, prettiest spiral EVER.

Warren Moon contributed to the Buffalo collapse. The offense didn't do squat in the 2nd half and Moon also turned the ball over. I agree he had a great first half in that game.
 

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I have zero confidence in any Cowboy going into the HOF.

I bet they'll even argue about Emmitt!
 

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rcaldw said:
Warren Moon contributed to the Buffalo collapse. The offense didn't do squat in the 2nd half and Moon also turned the ball over. I agree he had a great first half in that game.

let's not forget the bills were a pretty damn good team at home in frigid weather. they also had an excellent coaching staff who made adjustments at halftime to try to make it at least a ballgame. i don't think even the bills thought they would come back and win that game.

but they did.
 

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TLW47 said:
I have zero confidence in any Cowboy going into the HOF.

I bet they'll even argue about Emmitt!

likewise, every time a Cowboy comes up there is always some harsh criticism....with Emmitt it will be "But he played behind such a great OL"
with Aikman it will be "but he played on such a great team"
with Irvin its "but he smoked crack, he didn't have enough yards"

its becoming a joke

I remember folks from Denver saying the same thing about their guys...and i have to agree to some extent, but they certainly don't have the franchise or history of players that we have.
 

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We've had this argument on here before but when you have a team with the success of the Cowboys and you only have 5 players in the HOF something is wrong.
 

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TLW47 said:
We've had this argument on here before but when you have a team with the success of the Cowboys and you only have 5 players in the HOF something is wrong.

There IS something wrong, and I think (hope) we all know that. Just listen to how all the Cowboys are discussed as compared to their peers. People always talk about Steve Young, Brett Favre, Dan Marino and John Elway from the 90's. Never mind that Aikman has more wins in that decade as a starting QB than ANY of them. Never mind that Aikman's teams regularly beat two of those guys in the playoffs (49ers, Packers, except for 1994). People always want to argue the greatness of Aikman's teams, but I watched him play those guys head to head and Aikman contributed to those winning teams and those QB's (Favre and Young) contributed to their team's losses. (Favre, for all of his greatness, continued doing that in the playoffs, tossing 5 picks in one playoff game.)

I watched a replay of the Cowboys - Niners 1981 NFC Championship game. Montana turned the ball over 3 times in that game, some in CRUCIAL spots. Everyone replays the CATCH, but the 49ers RAN THE BALL down the field on that final drive. I'm not denying Montana was a great QB, I'm just amazed at how people forget these players weaknesses and only remember their strengths, yet when it comes to our guys they only talk about their weaknesses and ignore their marvelous strengths.

People always discuss Aikman in terms of accuracy. Doesn't sound too exciting does it? He was more than just accurate. He was accurate with a rocket arm that could make all the throws, especially the deep out. I heard a DB for the Falcons yesterday talk about how he plays defense, that if he sees a team on the far hash, and a receiver on the numbers, then he knows he is probably going to see an in route of some kind because QB's can't make the deep out throw to the other side of the field. Well, let me tell you, you could never assume that with Aikman.

Bradshaw played with the Steel Curtain defense, Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth ALL IN THE HALL OF FAME, but it DOESN'T DISQUALIFY HIM????????

Montana played with the greatest WR who ever lived, Jerry Rice, but it doesn't disqualify him??????

Look at some of the players Johnny Unitas played with.
Look at Bob Griese.

The bottom line is that football is a team sport, and AIKMAN WAS AT THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON A GREAT TEAM, and no one can deny that he did HIS JOB about as well as it can or ever has been done. The wins prove it. The Super Bowls prove it.

I say again. If he isn't 1st ballot HOFamer, close the thing down. But I feel the same way about Irvin too, and Drew Pearson and Bob Hayes not being in is an absolute joke.
 

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rcaldw said:
Fellas, we just must agree to disagree. We apparently saw a different QB play. And the one guy who listed the stats makes my point. Warren only qualifies based on numbers. And in terms of putting up numbers in the run and shoot, how about David Klingler? How about Andre Ware? Both looked like world beaters in College, running the run and shoot, were drafted very high, and then bombed in the pros where they didn't run the run and shoot. I don't think the run and shoot explains away a QB's abilities, and again I say, I think Moon was a good QB, but I think it is wrong to say no one else could have put up those numbers in the run and shoot. The run and shoot was made to produce passing numbers.

Well, if that's the case, lets all get together and get the HOF to take Marino out...He didn't do anything but put up numbers...right?

Moon is a HOF'er...Period. And Aikman better be standing next to him at the induction this time.
 
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