What made the team get worse in the off season?

MichaelWinicki

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A concept that doesn't seem to matter to anyone I've heard/read who can't see anything more than the those 52% of the sacks leaving.

That's true.

It's human nature to spend more time focusing on what you losing as opposed to what you're gaining.

OK, BDC, here's some info that I'm only going to share with you... Just to make you feel even better about the loss of Hatcher... Not that it wasn't a loss, because it was, but consider this...

Since the 2010 season Hatcher has created a sack, QB hit or a hurry 16.86% of the time.

How does Henry Melton compare?

Well since the 2010 season Melton has created a sack, QB hit or a hurry 18.16% of the time.

So in actuality Melton has done a slightly better job at rushing the passer than Hatcher has.
 

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keep telling yourself that.

oh stop, was Ware getting any younger? Are we favorites to make the SB? THis defense has a lot of work to do and its going to be scary how the offense turns out. So losing Ware at this moment in time was not that big of a deal.
 

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No matter how bad we think Ware was, every play Ware was on the field the other team's QB was worried about him. That's gone

I know what you're saying jimmy... I just think you're over-rating the impact of Ware.

I mean who was a QB going to "fear" on the Seahawks DL?

I mean they didn't have anyone who had a big-time rep as far as being a sack-master.

Look at the Rams... Robert Quinn was ridiculous last season with 19 sacks, yet the pass defense was still only 19th in the league in yards given up per game.
 

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Friends, romans, countrymen...seriously. Players after 30 are progress stoppers, unless they man the offensive line, as a general rule. Ware/Hatcher may have yet another great season next year, but how many of those do you realistically expect him to get going foward? And now that the Cowboys have invested a 2nd and 3rd rounder on Lawrence, who will clearly need time to develop, do you expect he would get that time with Ware still on this team? In the NFL, teams constantly have to take a step back to take two steps forward. If you don't, you get what the Cowboys have been getting for the last several years: mediocrity.

At the end of last season, I imagine, the Cowboys brass took an unbiased look at what they had. In Ware, they had a guy who has been an absolute warrior, but in recent years his play has declined. You cannot expect a player to improve in his 30's. It was time to move on, regardless of sack percentages. Some players are NFL ready as soon as they hit the field, but those players are rare and I do not believe Lawrence is that type of player. He could be, but the point I am trying to make is most players need time to develop and the only way you do that is letting them play And Jerry Jones is not one to pay millions of dollars for guys to warm the bench. When you take all of this in consideration, you should be able to understand that while letting Ware go may not have been the best decision for this next season, but for seasons in the future, it was the only logical decision.
 

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I still dont see one area on defense where you cans say for sure they got better. Hopes and question marks dont necessarily make a better defense. I also still think the safety play will still be horrid. Hope I get proven wrong.

Just having a training camp for the new acquisitions will be a factor.
Not having a defensive line filled with street FA'S.

Will that translate into more wins ? dont know but they'll be better
 

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just stop, last year Ware kept running past qbs they werent scared. Hes a year older and with a team that will know how to use him. His time was coming and im okay with Rod having a year with no expectations to get these younger guys going full steam and learning now.

There was not one good unit on our D last year. This year is going to be a new year with another chance to get this defense back on track. Having Ware was not going to help or make a difference.[/quote

training camp has to be considered a big plus
 

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If this team stays healthy they will be better almost by default. Problem is with their schedule they could be a better team and still go 6-10 next year.
 

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Just having a training camp for the new acquisitions will be a factor.
Not having a defensive line filled with street FA'S.

Will that translate into more wins ? dont know but they'll be better

Here's something to think about...

20 NFL teams used 9 defensive lineman or less.

4 NFL teams used 10 defensive lineman.

3 NFL teams used 11 defensive lineman.

3 NFL tams used 12 defensive lineman.



Only 2 NFL teams used more than 12 defensive linemen last season.

One team used 14 defensive linemen - Chicago.



One team used 20 defensive linemen - Dallas


Think about that for one moment... The Cowboys used twice as many defensive linemen than 20 other teams in the NFL.

Boy, if that in itself isn't an area for some improvement... I don't know what is.
 

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A lot of confident and tough talk from some here saying that Dallas defense will actually be worse than last year.
Lunacy, IMO

I'll bet anyone here who cares to that Dallas defense will improve in both total defense and scoring defense.

Overall though, I think we may still be one year away from being a team capable of advancing in the playoff. Lots of variables though.
 

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There wasn't a QB available in the first round who was going to be able to give 75% of the passing efficiency that Romo could. And any of them could be worse, even much worse than that.

It really is all about Romo.

I think Romo's replacement is drafted next May(?), but even then, that player won't be a potential starter for at least one full season.

Again, it really is all about Romo.

That is all speculation. Also, it's not always a given that a rookie is going to suck his first year. RG3 came in his first year and took a crappy Commanders team to the playoffs, same with Dalton, Luck, and others. We have had one playoff win EVER with Romo. One thing is for sure, this team isn't going anywhere with Romo.

Our season hinges more on if our defense can get better and if we can establish the run game and have Romo do a lot less.

My guess is this is gonna be a BAD season.
 

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Here's something to think about...
20 NFL teams used 9 defensive lineman or less.
4 NFL teams used 10 defensive lineman.
3 NFL teams used 11 defensive lineman.
3 NFL tams used 12 defensive lineman.

Only 2 NFL teams used more than 12 defensive linemen last season.

One team used 14 defensive linemen - Chicago.
One team used 20 defensive linemen - Dallas

Think about that for one moment... The Cowboys used twice as many defensive linemen than 20 other teams in the NFL.
Yet we still went 8-8.
 

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Here's something to think about...

20 NFL teams used 9 defensive lineman or less.

4 NFL teams used 10 defensive lineman.

3 NFL teams used 11 defensive lineman.

3 NFL tams used 12 defensive lineman.



Only 2 NFL teams used more than 12 defensive linemen last season.

One team used 14 defensive linemen - Chicago.



One team used 20 defensive linemen - Dallas


Think about that for one moment... The Cowboys used twice as many defensive linemen than 20 other teams in the NFL.

Boy, if that in itself isn't an area for some improvement... I don't know what is.

And no team in the NFL over the last five years gave more than 16 dlinemen snaps. The Cowboys nearly doubled the average number of linemen used by teams in the NFL over the last five years. I don't think everyone grasps just how bad the situation ended up being last year.

Just getting to choose linemen and train them in advance gives the Cowboys a big step up. Unlike last year where some guys were signed off the street in the middle of the season and were then playing the next weekend.
 

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No matter how bad we think Ware was, every play Ware was on the field the other team's QB was worried about him. That's gone

Sorry but this is not true. Offensive coordinators and QBs actually started attacking where he was. Why? Because he had one move and that was make a beeline to the QB. So they ran the ball to his side and he would go right past the RB. And the QB would just step up as he ran past him. It never failed.

Ware's career here felt so empty. Never was a huge fan. Just don't felt his stats projected a huge impact. So many games you wondered if he was even on the field.
 

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That is all speculation. Also, it's not always a given that a rookie is going to suck his first year. RG3 came in his first year and took a crappy Commanders team to the playoffs, same with Dalton, Luck, and others. We have had one playoff win EVER with Romo. One thing is for sure, this team isn't going anywhere with Romo.

Our season hinges more on if our defense can get better and if we can establish the run game and have Romo do a lot less.

My guess is this is gonna be a BAD season.

One thing is for sure, this team isn't going anywhere with Romo.
this is speculation
 

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I loved ware when he was here. The last 2 seasons he was not himself and teams respected him but were not afraid of him. He was stud pass rusher but when was the last time he had a drive killing sack. He was average last year and the year before. He would get his sacks but he hardly had sacks when it mattered.
 

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I loved ware when he was here. The last 2 seasons he was not himself and teams respected him but were not afraid of him. He was stud pass rusher but when was the last time he had a drive killing sack. He was average last year and the year before. He would get his sacks but he hardly had sacks when it mattered.

I hear what you are saying, and I agree. But beyond what we could expect from Ware this year, I think this was more of a business decision...and a good one at that. The only contract that Ware would sign would eventually have cap implications that the Cowboys did not want to have to continue to contend with. Second, Lawrence would not get the development that he needs. So, while it very well may mean that the Cowboys suffer as a result of losing Ware early on, for the future of this team, it was a necessary evil.
 
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