What makes you think owens will change?

[Hostile]

I don't know how this discussion got to Michael Irvin and crack cocaine...I don't want to read the entire post. But I will put my 2 cents in on why I think T.O. will change as a Dallas Cowboy. He won't. He will try his hardest to be a good boy and play by the rules and not cross Parcells, but I think ultimately he has a personality defect. He is who he is because of who he is...great NFL talent, one of the best wide recievers in the game, selfish, immature, terrible teammate. All T.O. all the time.

Much better post than the previous one. Hope you stick with this tack.

 

[superpunk]

terrible teammate.

And yet almost all of his former teammates say great things about him, how much they enjoy the guy, playing cards with him, etc.

I'm sure common perception about Michael was that he was a jerk, and a terrible teammate as well.
But his teammates LOVED him.

 

[SantanaOwnsU]

I was under the impression that he was taking the pipe to a dumpster to throw it away. If he was driving around Dallas with a crackpipe in his car for days and days then my opinion of Michael Irvin has reached a new all time low. You gotta have more sense then that. Especially if you're a known drug abuser with a record...come on Michael. How long was the pipe in his car? I guess I gave him too much credit by assuming he would only have his "friend's pipe" in his car for the time it would take to drive to the dumpster and throw it out. He had it in there for days and days??? That's asking to be arrested...well I guess he got what he was asking for.

 

[Hostile]

I was under the impression that he was taking the pipe to a dumpster to throw it away. If he was driving around Dallas with a crackpipe in his car for days and days then my opinion of Michael Irvin has reached a new all time low. You gotta have more sense then that. Especially if you're a known drug abuser with a record...come on Michael. How long was the pipe in his car? I guess I gave him too much credit by assuming he would only have his "friend's pipe" in his car for the time it would take to drive to the dumpster and throw it out. He had it in there for days and days??? That's asking to be arrested...well I guess he got what he was asking for.

You had a chance to speak with some knowledge and chose to talk stupid again.

5 minutes to days and days.

Time to admit you don't know anything about the incident (like that a friend did come forward and validate the claims) and you need to remember where you are.

 

[SantanaOwnsU]

And yet almost all of his former teammates say great things about him, how much they enjoy the guy, playing cards with him, etc.

I'm sure common perception about Michael was that he was a jerk, and a terrible teammate as well.
But his teammates LOVED him.

Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him. His teammates love his work ethic, talent, and ability. Some of his boys love him. I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with if you stay on his good side. But if anyone crosses T.O. he will never let you forget it, ever. I still don't know what Donavon did to him, T.O. pretty much just called him out. "Black on black crime" - Donavon Mcnabb.

 

[BigDFan5]

Actually you're right ...
Michael Irvin Talks About His Arrest

(CBS 11 News & AP) PLANO Former Dallas Cowboys player Michael Irvin is answering questions about his recent arrest in Plano. It's public record that Irvin has had trouble with the law, but Monday during a radio broadcast Irvin said the only thing he is guilty of is trying to help his friends and younger brother.

When officers stopped Irvin for speeding on the Dallas Tollway they found he had an outstanding warrant for speeding from the Irving Police Department and arrested him. As police inventoried his vehicle they found drug paraphernalia, which is a health and safety code violation. Plano Police spokesman Mike Johnson said he didn't know what kind of paraphernalia was found.

On ESPN Radio Irving admitted to having the crack pipe in his car, but explained that it belonged to a friend. "Ya know he's struggling. I know he's struggling. I was like I don't want anything in my house around my kids, ya know so I patted him down and I took this pipe off him. And I thought to throw it in the garbage, but then people have gone through my garbage and I shred everything. And I put it in my car saying I'll take it up the street and... take it up the street later and throw it in the dumpster at the grocery store," says Irvin.

Irvin was booked on the two charges. He paid the speeding fine and posted bond for the drug paraphernalia charge and was released within two hours of the traffic stop.

Again, you're right ...it was not a "crack possession charge."

I'm actually glad, because I hope these incidents with the justice system do not impede his chances of getting into the HOF -- he deserves a place In the HOF!

It may be obvious to you all by now, but Michael Irvin is one of my favorite all time super stars ...if only he were an Eagle!

I have read that article, I have also read the actual police report and on it stated it was a multi colored marijuana pipe, not a crack pipe, He was also arrested on the warrant, the paraphenalia in Texas is only a citation he would not have been arrested on that alone

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him.

nice. Two out of how many?

On the radio a few months ago - ND Kalu was interviewed. He said that 90% of owens' teammates have no problem with the guy, and enjoy being around him.

 

[SantanaOwnsU]

O.k. Hostile, I'll bite. How long was the pipe in his car? I can't remember everything about the incident I get my Michael Irvin drug arrests all confused and they run together. All I'm saying is that if he was driving around with a crack pipe in his car for more than the time it took to take the pipe to a dumpster and throw it away for his boy, then that was too long. Obviosuly he would agree with me since that incident almost cost him his job at ESPN. I don't know why he couldn't just stomp the thing on his driveway and empty the glass into his garbage can, it would shatter into a million pieces. But that's just me. I don't know much about crackpipes...illuminate me, please.

 

[BigDFan5]

I was not refferring to that arrest
I was reffering to the 96 crack possesion arrest and the other marijuana charges

btw, i learned my lesson for sure

He was never arrested on a crack charge in 1996 once again your facts are wrong

 

[GTaylor]

im trying to sell that terrell owens will not change cuz some drug addict who was a once great wideout can change him

Its not like Dexter Manley is going around Commander park with rocky mcintosh

I doubt Owens will change, but Chris Carter did get Moss turned around...for a while and Carter had drug problems in the past.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him. His teammates love his work ethic, talent, and ability. Some of his boys love him.

I know you're being facetious SantanaOwnsU, but actually McNabb did indeed love TOs talents and abilities ...on the grid-iron! They may not have talked much, but they did connect with receptions. Now TO in the lockerroom is an entirely different matter.

I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with if you stay on his good side. But if anyone crosses T.O. he will never let you forget it, ever. I still don't know what Donavon did to him

May I enlighten you here ...TO is a field general ...so is McNabb. On often occasions McNabb had to make decisons that didn't include hitting a sometimes wide open TO. Even from his days with the 49ers, TO hates to be ignored if wide open. In the past, MvcNabb has been notorius for not seeing receivers wide Open, or running the designed play rather than hitting a wide-open TO.

TO also believed that McNabb could have Been more Persuasive with Eagles GM in being an advocate for his new contract. Sprinkle a little envy, some Campbells sponsorship money and a dab of McNabbs desire to remain dedicated to his team, and colleagues, and you have Donovan McNabb being D-Nabb clashing with TO being TO. Bottom line is that they didn't really gel.

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

I'll play too...T.O. won't be replicate his past behavior because he has too much to lose. This IS his last team and last contract.

do u really think T.o. cares? i really doubt that. i guarantee u that if it does not work in dallas, he still gets another shot on another team, book it.

 

[BigDFan5]

The little Commanders kid linked this thread to extreme, coming from there its no wonder he is so misinformed

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157032

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I have read that article, I have also read the actual police report and on it stated it was a multi colored marijuana pipe, not a crack pipe, He was also arrested on the warrant, the paraphenalia in Texas is only a citation he would not have been arrested on that alone

Ok ...now you tell me ...what part of "Actually you're right" ...did you not get?

 

[ghst187]

He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker,

Don't you agree with him?
:laugh1:

 

[BigDFan5]

Ok ...now you tell me ...what part of "Actually you're right" ...did you not get?

the part where you highlighted "crack" pipe when that in fact is wrong.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

the part where you highlighted "crack" pipe when that in fact is wrong.

Either you're looking for a fight or you're just not focused this evening.

Explanation level for a 14 year old (no, I'm not sayIng your reading/comprehension level is that of a 14 year old -- we do have a 14 year old on the board): The darker letters only makes a person look
harder at that word or words. It does not mean that I wrote the word or agree with the word or words.

Explanation for a Football Savvy poster: I'm fully in control of my venacular, and capable of saying that I think Michael Irvin was arrested for having a crack pipe; if that was what I was trying to say as you imply.

I suggest that you may have misread the article, or perhaps my statement... that Michael Irvin was one of my favorite all-time Players -- was misleading.

Let me know if this clarifies anything for you.

 

[BigDFan5]

Either you're looking for a fight or you're just not focused this evening.

Explanation level for a 14 year old (no, I'm not sayIng your reading/comprehension level is that of a 14 year old -- we do have a 14 year old on the board): The darker letters only makes a person look
harder at that word or words. It does not mean that I wrote the word or agree with the word or words.

Explanation for a Football Savvy poster: I'm fully in control of my venacular, and capable of saying that I think Michael Irvin was arrested for having a crack pipe; if that was what I was trying to say as you imply.

I suggest that you may have misread the article, or perhaps my statement... that Michael Irvin was one of my favorite all-time Players -- was misleading.

Let me know if this clarifies anything for you.

Usually when someone bolds something they are trying to draw attention to it for the purpose of it backing up another statement. Point being thank you for agreing, just the article you posted mentions "crack pipe" when in fact it was not a crack pipe that was my point

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

BigDFan5]Usually when someone bolds something they are trying to draw attention to it for the purpose of it backing up another statement

I've just a "bold-font" on your comments ...oops doesn't that contradict that bullcrap definition you gave for highlighting. There are many reasons to highlight something; I often highlight a poster's ID, to show respect to another poster.

Look, I'm an Eagles fan; I know you dislike me because you are an opponent fan -- understandable. But don't piss from a balcony and tell me it's raining! I'm no rookie fan just passing through. Hate me, but don't put words in my mouth!

Point being thank you for agreing, just the article you posted mentions "crack pipe" when in fact it was not a crack pipe that was my point

One More little detail ...I wasn't there, neither were you. You, nor I have no real conclusive reason to believe/disbelieve what a newspaper article prints as the gospel. I get your point though!

Caveat: Oops, I underlined something.

 

[BigDFan5]

I've just a "bold-font" on your comments ...oops doesn't that contradict that bullcrap definition you gave for highlighting. There are many reasons to highlight something; I often highlight a poster's ID, to show respect to another poster.

Look, I'm an Eagles fan; I know you dislike me because you are an opponent fan -- understandable. But don't piss from a balcony and tell me it's raining! I'm no rookie fan just passing through. Hate me, but don't put words in my mouth!

Actually you didn't bold my comments you messed up the quote feature again lol

I said "usually" that is a reason something is bolded, I put no words in your mouth at all.

I don;t dislike you at all, I believe I even PMed you awile back to let you know I can respect an opponent fan like yourself not here to talk trash.

and for the third time, my post was pointing out the error in the article, nothing against you personally.