What Mike Rowe Has to Say About the National Anthem Protest

[TheDude]

Muslims have a sexual orientation? I thought it was marry a 14-year old girl and receive 20 goats, a shawl, and some gold -- or get stoned to death during half-time of a local soccer match?

missed a comma

poorly timed


but at least I didn't have to fire you for the rest of that post

 

[Trouty]

yup. sorry, I still love the theists, though.

I respect that.

 

[TheDude]

Yikes I'd be looking for new employment. PM me and let's talk about it if you like.

It actually has been that way for a bit. Now it is the only place I can go to not talk politics.

Irony is so much fun

 

[Trouty]

Title is fiiting

 

[superonyx]

Since we're playing politics, and I am admittedly a non-political person... does anyone here like Noam Chomsky?

I love Noam Chomsky. That man is brilliant and has predicted so much of what’s happened to our country.
I wish more people took time to listen to his views. He has a good documentary on Netflix...give it a watch if you are interested in him. It called Requiem for the American Dream.

 

[Trouty]

I love Noam Chomsky. That man is brilliant and has predicted so much of what’s happened to our country.
I wish more people took time to listen to his views. He has a good documentary on Netflix...give it a watch if you are interested in him. It called Requiem for the American Dream.

Requiem For the American Dream is essential. Essential. I made my son watch it, Onyx.

 

[superonyx]

I adore him.

He isn't "anti-capitalist"

The problem with pure Capitalism is that it’s designed to eat itself over time.
Our country isn’t a pure capitalism thank god...however we are close enough on certain things to be in trouble long term. People bash socialism (which can’t survive in a pure socialism system long term). But our best systems are social system like Social Security, Medicare, VA, military, police, public schools, etc.
The issues with capitalism is that the only responsibility a capitalist has is to earn money. Then you get what we have, which is a government corrupted by campaign finances and our elected officials are only interested is serving the interest of their donors. Public policy desires have zero impact on laws passed. MIT does a big study on this and proved it to be true.

 

[Trouty]

I detest him.

Jed, why?

 

[superonyx]

I detest him.

What about him Hardline?

 

[Hardline]

Jed, why?

i deleted my comment. I was confusing him for someone else.

 

[Trouty]

i deleted my comment. I was confusing him for someone else.

OK, brother. Fair enough, my man

 

[Melonfeud]

Good post 101,,, I'd clicked on it a day or two ago,while surfing somewhere

 

[TheDude]

The problem with pure Capitalism is that it’s designed to eat itself over time.
Our country isn’t a pure capitalism thank god...however we are close enough on certain things to be in trouble long term. People bash socialism (which can’t survive in a pure socialism system long term). But our best systems are social system like Social Security, Medicare, VA, military, police, public schools, etc.
The issues with capitalism is that the only responsibility a capitalist has is to earn money. Then you get what we have, which is a government corrupted by campaign finances and our elected officials are only interested is serving the interest of their donors. Public policy desires have zero impact on laws passed. MIT does a big study on this and proved it to be true.

Wow.

Capitalist only responsibility is to create value for the customer and to keep innovating to ensure that the product evolves in higher quality or a lower price. When this doesn't happen, they die - Sears, Circuit City, Yahoo, etc., etc. It is the Darwinism of economics.

Crony capitalism is what we have for the most part, govt subsidies, bank bail outs, auto maker bail outs, solar bail outs, etc. etc.

Capitalism is about choice and in the long runs keep prices in check and should be 100% controlled by the consumer. Socialism is compulsion. Little to no choice.

Also,
1) Social Security and medicare are broke.
2) Public schools trail private schools almost as universally here

There are basic things govt should provide for the greater good, but it will almost always trail what the private market will stand up. The only govt advantage is printing money

 

[superonyx]

Wow.

Capitalist only responsibility is to create value for the customer and to keep innovating to ensure that the product evolves in higher quality or a lower price. When this doesn't happen, they die - Sears, Circuit City, Yahoo, etc., etc. It is the Darwinism of economics.

Crony capitalism is what we have for the most part, govt subsidies, bank bail outs, auto maker bail outs, solar bail outs, etc. etc.

Capitalism is about choice and in the long runs keep prices in check and should be 100% controlled by the consumer. Socialism is compulsion. Little to no choice.

Also,
1) Social Security and medicare are broke.
2) Public schools trail private schools almost as universally here

There are basic things govt should provide for the greater good, but it will almost always trail what the private market will stand up. The only govt advantage is printing money

Capitalists responsibility is to increase shareholder value. Thats it. Its called fiduciary duty. Innovation ect is only a mechanism employed to help achieve the goal of making money aka increasing shareholder value. The problem comes in when capitalist are not regulated by the people (the government). Without regulations you would get monopolies over time. More successful companies would buy competition and then have a dangerous amount of control of the market. If nothing else I say sinks in please please understand that the 1 and only goal of a capitalist is to increase wealth aka shareholder value, company value.

The problem we have is when money corrupts the people who are required to regulate them. This is what you have in our country. I can point to many examples if it helps.

Crony capitalism isnt the governments attempts to regulate the industries. You mention solar subsidies... Solar subsidies are not crony capitalism. Its the governments way to trying to help create incentives for companies to innovate in a marker that has already been dominated by a group of companies with the resources to starve out competition. In the case of solar that would be the oil industry.

Capitalism isnt about choice at all. Remember without government regulations you would have companies merging together and the consumer would have no choice.

Here is a good example for you. Health care.....Give me 1 example of a free market (capitalistic) healthcare system that has succeeded in the world. Just 1 example please......
And if you could actually come up with one (you cant) then lets compare that system, cost, and outcomes with socialized systems around the world.

Public schools do not trail private schools. Private schools (especially charter) have been proven in study after study to not out perform public education.

You are using Socialism in its purest sense which no country actually uses anymore. Look to Norway, Sweeden, Denmark as good examples of democratic market socialist countries. We have moved so far to the right in the last 30 years that a guy who has policies more conservative than Republican Dwight Eisenhower is consider a socialist.

 

[sbark]

That's not true.
https://gizmodo.com/what-is-going-on-with-directvs-nfl-refunds-1818842731

.......take your pick,

https://www.google.com/search?q=NFL...ome..69i57.18551j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[JoeKing]

.......take your pick,

https://www.google.com/search?q=NFL...ome..69i57.18551j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You are saying the same thing I am. Preaching to the choir, brother.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

What are you even talking about?
I know plenty of conservatives and happen to be very educated in conservatives politics.
You make assumptions. You can line up and defend a wrong like a loyal soldier. I’ll walk around with my eyes wide open to the corruption in a system where both major parties serve the corporate masters and only the donor class.

Btw. Russia isn’t the bad guy.

well, like there are many variations of Democrats, believe it or not.......Republicans and/or Conservatives vary too. You can't fit everyone into a box and label them. My network and world involves the most diverse group of people you could imagine. We are able to share ideas/thoughts/ideals and actually hear each other. And many times, through fair and honest debate, change each others minds. That's healthy, we should always seek to learn.

 

[TheDude]

Capitalists responsibility is to increase shareholder value. Thats it. Its called fiduciary duty. Innovation ect is only a mechanism employed to help achieve the goal of making money aka increasing shareholder value. The problem comes in when capitalist are not regulated by the people (the government). Without regulations you would get monopolies over time. More successful companies would buy competition and then have a dangerous amount of control of the market. If nothing else I say sinks in please please understand that the 1 and only goal of a capitalist is to increase wealth aka shareholder value, company value.

Capitalists responsibility is to create value which should they think will add to profit/wealth. They have to provide some value to a customer more than the competition. I dont know where and how capitalism is almost always railed against due to "shareholders or stockholders." The vast majority of businesses are partnerships and sole proprietorship. But, yes, innovation is the only tool in true capitalism. When a new good solves a new problem or solves on old problem more efficiently (time and/or money), it wins. If a company/person fails to do that, then they cease doing business or just erode away.

And monopolies are typically created created with help of the government to begin with (US Postal Service, the Bells, etc), but note that even with those monopolies, the private sector always innovates around it at the end because monopolies tend to suffer due to lack of innovation and inefficiency.

I worked at FedEx right out of Business school, do you know USPS contracted FedEx to transport its mail because it was cheaper and more efficient? There are millions of examples like this.

The problem we have is when money corrupts the people who are required to regulate them. This is what you have in our country. I can point to many examples if it helps.

Crony capitalism isnt the governments attempts to regulate the industries. You mention solar subsidies... Solar subsidies are not crony capitalism. Its the governments way to trying to help create incentives for companies to innovate in a marker that has already been dominated by a group of companies with the resources to starve out competition. In the case of solar that would be the oil industry.

Crony capitalism is is when laws or loopholes are set up to give certain firms an advantage over other firms or restrict competition (the original TV airwave licenses, subsidized farming, tax breaks for movie filming, state insurance regulations where companies cant cross state lines, industry tariffs, NFL stadiums). And yes solar subsidies are the definition of crony capitalism. The word subsidy is de facto a crony capitalistic tool.

And, generally the answer to reduce public corruption, is not to instill more public bureaucracy. And government unchecked is worse than any company can ever be because you can take your business elsewhere, you can't easily escape public corruption.

Another big government win for Cali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bell_scandal

Capitalism isnt about choice at all. Remember without government regulations you would have companies merging together and the consumer would have no choice.

Do you shop on Amazon?, do you have no choice? Why are more people not flocking en masse to Sears or JCPennys - because of government force? And for choice, how many brands of cereal do you think there are? How about brands of cars? The US has the most choice of any good or service in the the history of mankind. Capitalism is only about choice, the fact few use it and defelct that blame to the "evil corporation" is just a cop out.

Here is a good example for you. Health care.....Give me 1 example of a free market (capitalistic) healthcare system that has succeeded in the world. Just 1 example please......
And if you could actually come up with one (you cant) then lets compare that system, cost, and outcomes with socialized systems around the world.

Easy. Cosmetic surgery. Breast implants and lasik are fractions of what they used to be. Aside from that, healthcare is another subsidized system - though due to the inelastic nature of core healthcare (emergencies, etc.) make customers make irrational decisions. And you cant compare the US with other systems until you take into account the holistic defensive medicine (unnecessary tests or overtesting) bring medical tourism into the discussion. Also, I worked in London for a couple of years and everyone in my office paid for supplemental private health insurance as to not have to wait in lines or be rationed if they needed advanced services.

Public schools do not trail private schools. Private schools (especially charter) have been proven in study after study to not out perform public education.

LAUSD, the largest public school system in the country, says hi
http://laschoolreport.com/district-...eases-but-lausd-still-faces-financial-crisis/
and this also doesnt support your claim
http://californiapolicycenter.org/a...schools-and-la-alliance-charter-high-schools/

You are using Socialism in its purest sense which no country actually uses anymore. Look to Norway, Sweeden, Denmark as good examples of democratic market socialist countries. We have moved so far to the right in the last 30 years that a guy who has policies more conservative than Republican Dwight Eisenhower is consider a socialist.

Norway is opening up its economy to more capitalism and competition as oil demand fades (konkurranseutsettelse). It is a country of 5M people, smaller than Massachusetts.

Sweden has been moving more capitalistic since 1993 after moving from 4th richest country to 14th in 23 years as publis spending was 67% of GDP.

Now the Scando countries have maintained more welfare state than many other areas, but to be competitive, the answer wasn't less capitalism

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah I’m making up freedom of speech...
Now go ahead and pretend expression isn’t speech and I’ll point you to the citizens united Supreme Court decision where speech is defined.

Hey I guess nothing is wrong with forced patriotism.

There is freedom of speech but with it comes responsibility. Sorry freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you want and not face fall out from it. I have freedom of speech as well to call these guys idiots for acting this way. What I am seeing right now especially on college campuses is they want to take free speech away from those they disagree with.





Rowe mentions he feels the president is wrong for saying these players should be fired, the ultimate decision maker is the viewer, if enough people tune out because of their action it will have an impact on the game, less money coming in to the league and to the players. That is the fans freedom of choice

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

I may be wrong but doesn't Canada have free healthcare for its citizens? That is what my understanding was.

Capitalists responsibility is to increase shareholder value. Thats it. Its called fiduciary duty. Innovation ect is only a mechanism employed to help achieve the goal of making money aka increasing shareholder value. The problem comes in when capitalist are not regulated by the people (the government). Without regulations you would get monopolies over time. More successful companies would buy competition and then have a dangerous amount of control of the market. If nothing else I say sinks in please please understand that the 1 and only goal of a capitalist is to increase wealth aka shareholder value, company value.

The problem we have is when money corrupts the people who are required to regulate them. This is what you have in our country. I can point to many examples if it helps.

Crony capitalism isnt the governments attempts to regulate the industries. You mention solar subsidies... Solar subsidies are not crony capitalism. Its the governments way to trying to help create incentives for companies to innovate in a marker that has already been dominated by a group of companies with the resources to starve out competition. In the case of solar that would be the oil industry.

Capitalism isnt about choice at all. Remember without government regulations you would have companies merging together and the consumer would have no choice.

Here is a good example for you. Health care.....Give me 1 example of a free market (capitalistic) healthcare system that has succeeded in the world. Just 1 example please......
And if you could actually come up with one (you cant) then lets compare that system, cost, and outcomes with socialized systems around the world.

Public schools do not trail private schools. Private schools (especially charter) have been proven in study after study to not out perform public education.

You are using Socialism in its purest sense which no country actually uses anymore. Look to Norway, Sweeden, Denmark as good examples of democratic market socialist countries. We have moved so far to the right in the last 30 years that a guy who has policies more conservative than Republican Dwight Eisenhower is consider a socialist.