What the hell happened to Kurt Warner?

[Billy Bullocks]

Yeh, but circumstances changed too. St. Louis was kind of a 1 year wonder in alot of ways. I mean they had their run, and its hard to repeat as SB champ, but that team has been on the decline since the loss to N.E.

Warner hasn't had the type of talent around him since those years as well. Holt, Bruce, and Hakim were easily the best WR trio in the league (plus they had Phroel, who isn't a bad option at #4). Throw in one of the best backs of all time, a very strong offensive line, and a stadium that doesn't require you to play in the elements, and that sets up most QBs with a pretty good chance of success.

Though I will give him credit for actually getting done what he had to do. He was very accurate too, but that probably had something to do with how open someone always was, plus the threat of Faulk.

 

[JMead]

and Lossman still isn't ready. i was laffin' my a** off sunday watching him hang out his RB on short dumpoffs that were 4 feet over his head. dude's play is atrocious. cutting Bledsoe loose was pure buffoonery and entirely to the benefit of our heroes.

In the defense of Losman ( even though I dont like him ) the wind was blowing 25 MPH with gusts up to 33 MPH. But yea.. I think the Bills regret not keeping Bledsoe. His leadership meant alot for that team.

 

[ravidubey]

Martz's system beat his QB's up good. Warner could only take so much; realize he was in both NFL Europe and the Arena league for years before starting as a Ram and played at a high level for 4 straight years before age and injuries took hold. His first Superbowl season started seven years ago.

 

[Nomad]

He didn't really get his chance until late in his career and at that point was probably where most athletes begin to drop off anyway, so he only had a couple years, and he's only like a year younger than Favre who's having the same problems. If he had started earlier in his career it might not seem like such a quick change from greatness to failure. Plus that Rams team that year was extremely talented as others have said.

 

[jcblanco22]

Martz's system beat his QB's up good. Warner could only take so much; realize he was in both NFL Europe and the Arena league for years before starting as a Ram and played at a high level for 4 straight years before age and injuries took hold. His first Superbowl season started seven years ago.

Right on. Not only beats them up, but asks them to take a good amount of risks that can lead to a few interceptions. Even so, as you said, he had multiple solid years, not just one as some are saying in this thread. He also had a very good year last year.

 

[joseephuss]

Right on. Not only beats them up, but asks them to take a good amount of risks that can lead to a few interceptions. Even so, as you said, he had multiple solid years, not just one as some are saying in this thread. He also had a very good year last year.

11 TDs to 9 INTs and 9 fumbles(5 lost) is not a very good year. It is average at best.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

11 TDs to 9 INTs and 9 fumbles(5 lost) is not a very good year. It is average at best.

With the offensive line the Cards had last year, that's not all that bad at all. Who ever posted the remarks about Leinart looking like a rookie QB once he gets his chance is correct. The Cards have a bad offensive line. They have lots of talent at the skilled positions and on the defensive side of the ball but that O-Line is bad. No other way to put it IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it's interesting that so many are so willing to throw Warner to the wolves off this last performance when we basically had the same kind of performance in game two from our own starter.

It may just be a matter of the coaching staff believing that Leinart has more mobility and so, a better fit because of that OL. Either way, I don't believe it's a good move but hey, I'm not real close to the situation either.

 

[Secondary2None3141]

Is Kurt Warner a hall of famer?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is Kurt Warner a hall of famer?

No. Not in my opinion.

 

[superpunk]

My guess is witch-craft played a major factor in his decline.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My guess is witch-craft played a major factor in his decline.

This sounds as close to the truth as anything.

 

[joseephuss]

With the offensive line the Cards had last year, that's not all that bad at all. Who ever posted the remarks about Leinart looking like a rookie QB once he gets his chance is correct. The Cards have a bad offensive line. They have lots of talent at the skilled positions and on the defensive side of the ball but that O-Line is bad. No other way to put it IMO.

I agree that the Cards have a woeful O-line. I just don't think Warner is that good any more. He is still better than a rookie no matter what the credentials. He will be a good back up for any team, but his days as a solid starter have passed.

Leinart will struggle behind this line, but he has the back ground to be a rookie starter. Not all rookies should be thrown into the fire. Some guys are ready to go and start their learning in the NFL. Leinart is one of those guys in my opinion. May as well start the future now.

 

[Stautner]

Warner was the right guy in the right situation with the Rams - the pieces just all fell in place just right.

But he does have flaws - and once some of the pieces started to crumble, once he had a few injuries and once he found himself in another offensive scheme he became the solid, but not outstanding QB that is his true self.

If he were mobile that would help, but he's not. Bottom line is that he has a great arm and can still be a solid NFL QB in the right situation, but he isn't a guy that can fit wherever he goes and make a big difference.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree that the Cards have a woeful O-line. I just don't think Warner is that good any more. He is still better than a rookie no matter what the credentials. He will be a good back up for any team, but his days as a solid starter have passed.

Leinart will struggle behind this line, but he has the back ground to be a rookie starter. Not all rookies should be thrown into the fire. Some guys are ready to go and start their learning in the NFL. Leinart is one of those guys in my opinion. May as well start the future now.

Well Josee, I guess we will see.

I look at Warner and I can't help but feel like all the same things that are said to justify our own QB are valid for him as well. If you give this guy time, he is as good as anybody out there when it comes to throwing the football. He is not ever going to be mistaken for a mobile QB, to be sure, but I just think he still has something in the right situation. JMO

 

[joseephuss]

No. Not in my opinion.

Mine either. His 3 year span from 1999 to 2001 with the Rams was amazing. An absolutely great stretch. It just is not enough to elevate him to HOF material. Since that time, he has done really nothing of note. He hasn't played a full season and has only 5 more TDs than INTs since those great years. Also his teams have had a losing record during that stretch. That isn't all on him, but people do look at wins and losses with QBs.

 

[chargrove]

If the Drew-meister was responsible for five turnovers and a subsequent loss here, you guys would be calling for Tony Romo and you know it.

BTW, wasn't Warner like the number one QB for the first week of this season stats-wise? Two weeks later he's benched? Seems kind of hasty to me, but then again I'm not watching them practice every day, so perhaps Leinart is ready to roll. I mean, the guy is already like 25, right? He'd better be ready.

 

[joseephuss]

Well Josee, I guess we will see.

I look at Warner and I can't help but feel like all the same things that are said to justify our own QB are valid for him as well. If you give this guy time, he is as good as anybody out there when it comes to throwing the football. He is not ever going to be mistaken for a mobile QB, to be sure, but I just think he still has something in the right situation. JMO

I understand your points. The right situation means getting that line to be at least average. That probably will at least take a year to do if not a little longer. By that time Leinart would be the starter anyway.

 

[joseephuss]

If the Drew-meister was responsible for five turnovers and a subsequent loss here, you guys would be calling for Tony Romo and you know it.

BTW, wasn't Warner like the number one QB for the first week of this season stats-wise? Two weeks later he's benched? Seems kind of hasty to me, but then again I'm not watching them practice every day, so perhaps Leinart is ready to roll. I mean, the guy is already like 25, right? He'd better be ready.

Leinart is 23(7 days older than Vince Young). Plenty of people were calling for Romo after week 1 and more would have joined in if Bledsoe had the same kind of performance against the Skins.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I understand your points. The right situation means getting that line to be at least average. That probably will at least take a year to do if not a little longer. By that time Leinart would be the starter anyway.

Yes, that is what it would mean, I agree. I think it's early to make a determination on QB or OL at this point. AZ's line was pretty banged up last year. They didn't play together a lot. I think it takes time to develop that cohension but I guess we will see what happens. Green made no commitment long term about the QB job. It could be an injury issue. Green has never been a stupid Coach IMO. I guess we will see.