What to do with Byron Jones

[KDM256]

Top dollar for a corner who doesn't have any takeaways or game changing plays.. Sorry Byron but I'll let him walk if he's asking for top 5 Corner Money, and focus on his position in the draft.. The kid only has 3 interceptions since he's been at Dallas.

At this point, we can get similar or better production from the upcoming draft on a rookie contract


Just for the record, I'll keep Amari over Byron all day everyday.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Do we have anyone better back there?
NO....Keep him!

 

[Redball Express]

He is one of the best coverage CBs in the game and was picked in the 20s not top 10.

He is on his rookie contract so no way on Earth was he overpaid. Given how there are a lot of people like you calling for his job there is no way on Earth he is overhyped.

The Carr and Claiborne comparison are just gratuitous appeals to emotion. Carr couldn't be counted on to cover the opponents WR1. Jones can as well as every other receiver including top TEs. Claiborne was hurt all the time and a headcase. Jones is literally the opposite.

Jones doesn't have the greatest ball skills but he was being asked to play man repeatedly in the robber scheme we played the past few years. Most turnovers for DBs are generated by driving from a drop and not turning at a certain depth or on a cue from the receiver while sprinting. The S and LB were all over the place leaving huge gaps in the middle of the field. They're not getting turnovers like that very often either.

Nolan likes to blitz and having shutddown coverage on one side of the field allows a DC to do that by rolling coverage that doesn't leave huge gaps if done properly. You aren't going to get one in UFA for less than Jones nor in the draft unless we are fortuitous with our first round pick.

The rub is that if we are using the top pick on a CB then we are still chasing our tail on needs like DT and S. WE may have no choice because of the cap but let's not pretend that losing Jones is an addition by subtraction situation.

Good rebuffal.

Any negative issues I stated are just my opinions.

Early on..he was not the player he ended up being.

He was an issue getting him settled as to was he a FS or SS.

He was strong according to comments at the time.

I am like everybody else here..

I have no independent team sources to quote.

Like you, you have to shift thru the info and watch games and go from there.

Sorry.

So unless you are employed by the Cowboys or some other entity..

our opinions are just separate but equal.

That's it.

Nothing to bicker about..we are just chatting here. I am a serious fan here like most of us.

Appreciate your comments, though.

I picked up a few factoids.

Thanx.

 

[visionary]

Let him walk

I wanted to trade him for a rd2 pick before the trade deadline which would look pretty good right now

 

[gongjr]

If we don't sign Byron, we better find a way to get consistent pressure. Otherwise, i'm very concerned about this secondary.

 

[Aviano90]

Like with all players, let’s see if he will play on a team friendly, vet minimum contract with incentives. If he doesn’t take it then let another first round draft pick walk out the door.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Awuzie shouldn't stop you from signing Byron. You can easily draft Byron's replacement this year.

I'm on the fence. It depends on what the price is. I can't pay big money for a guy that doesn't get turnovers. Just can't.

Byron is the guy I'd look at franchising if anyone.

 

[Legend]

Pay Byron Jones unless there is an alternative that is just as good or better. The Cowboys have plenty of holes to fill. No need to create an additional one.

 

[Legend]

Awuzie shouldn't stop you from signing Byron. You can easily draft Byron's replacement this year.

I'm on the fence. It depends on what the price is. I can't pay big money for a guy that doesn't get turnovers. Just can't.

Byron is the guy I'd look at franchising if anyone.

I give Byron a pass for low turnovers since he can be counted on to cover the opposing teams’ best receivers.

I do not want to ever see the Cowboys giving up over 300 receiving yards to one receiver in one game.

Thus, I rather keep Byron and find better replacements for Awuzie, Brown, and the starting safeties.

 

[ondaedg]

Jones has been our best CB the last two years and depending on which stats you look at, one of the better CBs in the NFL over that stretch. Yes, he seemingly can't catch a football. But I saw an Archer stat that said in 2019, 30 passes were completed against him in 60 targets. That 50% completion percentage would rank 9th amongst CBs.

But he's going to cost you some cash though, that's for sure. The flipside is Nolan seems big on turnover generation and that's really not Jones' forte.

I was largely against paying him that much but then I saw Awuzie get worse this year and that has me all confused now. I was banking on Awuzie improving and then we would either throw Lewis out there to replace Jones or draft a kid. But now, with Awuzie seemingly a lost cause, if you let Jones walk, you likely need two new CBs.

Decisions, decisions...........

All about the money. He has never had an INT in single coverage for his entire career. And his 2 INTs are from an end of half hail mary and a tipped ball. He is a good cover man though. If he is willing to re-sign with us for less than 12mil then i would keep him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I give Byron a pass for low turnovers since he can be counted on to cover the opposing teams’ best receivers.

I do not want to ever see the Cowboys giving up over 300 receiving yards to one receiver in one game.

Thus, I rather keep Byron and find better replacements for Awuzie, Brown, and the starting safeties.

This is the thing though. Brown and Awuzie are cheap. Well Brown is a free agent but he should be cheap.

Byron should command a decent salary. HE's earned it. I can't justify giving him big money for what he does. Awuzie doesn't give up 300 yards to receivers and neither does Brown. So that's not my concern. I want corners who don't give up touchdowns and who get turnovers. No one on this team fits that.

 

[stilltheguru]

Pay him a little less than what marcus peters got.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can easily draft Byron's replacement this year.

That's the rub. Do you want to use a top pick on a CB? Or pay Jones and use the pick some where else...which is a better option IMO.

 

[CWR]

Jones has been our best CB the last two years and depending on which stats you look at, one of the better CBs in the NFL over that stretch. Yes, he seemingly can't catch a football. But I saw an Archer stat that said in 2019, 30 passes were completed against him in 60 targets. That 50% completion percentage would rank 9th amongst CBs.

But he's going to cost you some cash though, that's for sure. The flipside is Nolan seems big on turnover generation and that's really not Jones' forte.

I was largely against paying him that much but then I saw Awuzie get worse this year and that has me all confused now. I was banking on Awuzie improving and then we would either throw Lewis out there to replace Jones or draft a kid. But now, with Awuzie seemingly a lost cause, if you let Jones walk, you likely need two new CBs.

Decisions, decisions...........

Its not statically possible for every DB in Dallas to be allergic to INTs for a decade. Change the coaching and I bet some of the guys start picking the ball off.

 

[The Natural]

since he can be counted on to cover the opposing teams’ best receivers.
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Can he? Or does he sit on one side of the field while QB’s play target practice with the back of Awuzie’s jersey? I wish we would have let Byron travel against the top Wr’s, it would’ve exposed this idea that he is some kind of lock down corner

 

[beware_d-ware]

I think you have to let Byron walk. He's really only a good press-man corner, and I think Nolan is getting away from that system.

Don't get me wrong, Byron is a total stud, and the lack of picks don't even bother me. He was the #77 most targeted CB in the league this year; for comparison, Chido was the #8 most targeted CB.

So Jones shuts his guy down in this system, and picks or not, a guy who can erase super-athletic #1 WRs is worth some real money. But we saw for 2 years at FS how he doesn't have any real feel for zone, and I don't like his lack of twitch for off-man.

He'll probably go to a press-man defense in FA, make a lot of money, and continue being a really good player. Heck, he'll probably get some picks on his new team too, because ex-Dallas DBs always seem to do that. And people will complain like usual, but fact is, if we're not using him in a Seattle style system, we are better off just not paying him. CBs can be really scheme specific - Nnamdi Asomugha was a future Hall of Famer in a man defense, and an all-time free agent bust in a zone defense - and I think Byron is one of those players.

 

[black label]

I am 50/50 on him lemme watch my all 22 with a cigar in my mouth be back later

 

[beware_d-ware]

Can he? Or does he sit on one side of the field while QB’s play target practice with the back of Awuzie’s jersey? I wish we would have let Byron travel against the top Wr’s, it would’ve exposed this idea that he is some kind of lock down corner

If Byron's covering the first read, and he gets beat by his man, is the QB even going to bother progressing to Chido?

Chido definitely gets spotlighted IMO, but that's because Byron is an elite CB, not because Chido is hiding him.

 

[Praxit]

..another Scandrick. Keep him if he's not to expensive.

 

[The Natural]

If Byron's covering the first read, and he gets beat by his man, is the QB even going to bother progressing to Chido?

Chido definitely gets spotlighted IMO, but that's because Byron is an elite CB, not because Chido is hiding him.

There’s no such thing as an elite CB with two career interceptions, with one being off a hail mary attempt and the other on a pop fly. I dont care how you try to slice it. If you think he’s good then say he’s good, aint nothing elite about him.